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No childlike super-fandom here. Just being a realist. If winning a conference every year in every sport is so easy, why isn't everyone doing it or why it hasn't been done before at MU? It's called competition and virtually everyone is striving for the same goal.

Those are not reasons, they are excuses. And, as explained, not everyone in this league does not have the same goal in basketball.

Third in the division this year? This year is an anomaly with the abundance of away games, limited or no practice before some of these road trips.

Again, no reasons, EXCUSES. Winners win, losers make excuses.

I have SEEN DD's teams improve over virtually every season he has been here, much like Danny Crum's UofL teams did (and I do know you understand that is an analogy- they won NCAA championships, MU has not). After the first home game of the NCAA season I had a long-time Herd fan tell me that team was the worst MU team he had ever seen play at The Cam... I think that team did get better and peak at the right time.

K. So DD's teams hit the court unprepared and "peak" at the right time, which is DD sycophant speak for "one time, from 4th place, we got hot for 8 days, it might happen again."

What it is not is an an answer to the question. What actual reasons are there to thing next year, or any future year, will be different at all?

Other reasons - DD has outperformed virtually every MU coach over the last 40 years, the Herd is second only to ODU in average finish over the last several seasons, won AT La Tech this year. Others as well.

K. Again not an answer to why you think the future will be any different. You do make a point that this mediocre team is, well, mediocre.

That said - I'm having fun watching them and they have been winning in the process. Doc was winning (though not necessarily the games that counted) but I wasn't having fun watching his teams.

"Fun." In other words, you accept mediocrity.

You were tasked with having at least one actual reason to believe this team will ever be any different than it is right now. You presented none.

Because there are none.
 
we have one now according to the NBAscouts
And WKU has one a little higher on the board. Neither team is really dominating the conference.

 
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First, I would be careful using Rifle words, in this case, "Rabbit Hole" or he will accuse you of plagiarizing him as he did me when I used the word "Disingenuous". In order to appease the mighty word warrior, you will need to put a "™", so in my case, I will put "Disingenuous™". That way I am giving him the rights to using the word first here on HN, so I don't have to hear him bitch. In your case: "Rabbit Hole™", should appease him so you don't get the same fate as I did..

Agree more than you know with your first two paragraphs.

As for rifle: I am only worried he will read the phrase “rabbit hole”, and regal us with a story of another conquest, this time with a playboy bunny.....

This is the whack pack version of my fan club with all three of you talking about me in a thread that I haven't been involved in. As for stories of Playmates . . . been there, done that (and them).
 
Those are not reasons, they are excuses. And, as explained, not everyone in this league does not have the same goal in basketball.



Again, no reasons, EXCUSES. Winners win, losers make excuses.



K. So DD's teams hit the court unprepared and "peak" at the right time, which is DD sycophant speak for "one time, from 4th place, we got hot for 8 days, it might happen again."

What it is not is an an answer to the question. What actual reasons are there to thing next year, or any future year, will be different at all?



K. Again not an answer to why you think the future will be any different. You do make a point that this mediocre team is, well, mediocre.



"Fun." In other words, you accept mediocrity.

You were tasked with having at least one actual reason to believe this team will ever be any different than it is right now. You presented none.

Because there are none.
So what are the "reasons" that we won only 1 conference championship in football over the last decade.
 
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I know about those great Herd teams from stories my 85 y.o. Dad has told me over the years. They must've been sooo exciting to watch! Games at the Vanity Fair. The Gold dust twins (Cebe Price & Paul Underwood) who played together @ So. Charleston H.S. & where they got their nickname; Byrd, Slack & Greer. Supposedly Price ran the middle on the Old Man's fast break. He had Underwood going down the left side & Byrd down the right. He would flip the ball around his waist twice & either pass one way or the other. Greer of course was the NBA player of that era. Even with all of that, the Herd only claimed one MAC Crown ('56). I guess Toledo just had better talent than we did at the time.
 
I see a lot of the criticism on Dan as part projections of Doc(apples/oranges), part generation( he needs to chew out players) I’d argue it’s 1/2 dozen one way. Clock management ,an occasional time out calls and some early season slow starts are fair criticism. However, everyone is ready to fire him and almost every other person and I just don’t see why. I get people want “new” but let’s not foresake the progress that Dan has made. I give him a lot more slake since he had to deal with a program that few supported. Now it’s an exciting event that builds that winning culture. We are not a one and done program but one that will make runs when we have a veteran roster,(VCU, butler). Just remember perfect is the enemy of good .
 
I see a lot of the criticism on Dan as part projections of Doc(apples/oranges), part generation( he needs to chew out players) I’d argue it’s 1/2 dozen one way. Clock management ,an occasional time out calls and some early season slow starts are fair criticism. However, everyone is ready to fire him and almost every other person and I just don’t see why. I get people want “new” but let’s not foresake the progress that Dan has made. I give him a lot more slake since he had to deal with a program that few supported. Now it’s an exciting event that builds that winning culture. We are not a one and done program but one that will make runs when we have a veteran roster,(VCU, butler). Just remember perfect is the enemy of good .
I agree. Dan has brought excitement/entertainment value back to Marshall basketball. Period. We’ll never know, but we would prob have had at least similar attendance averages to last season, which
iirc was around 5500 fans, easily equivalent to our football attendance (% of capacity) and probably higher % at that. One of the huge benefits of hiring Huff is the surge in season ticket sales to date, and the expectation of much higher average attendance this fall. Why? Maybe......just.......maybe.......Herd fans are starving for a more exciting/better entertainment value brand of football in the Joan!!
Let’s see how this week plays out. I believe we are going on a run. Time will tell. Can anyone (johns & Sam included) post that they hope we flame out Wednesday night, just so they can puff out their chest & proclaim the team sucks, Kinsey will never have a chance at the next level or Andrew Taylor just isn’t all that? Of course not.
 
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Just remember perfect is the enemy of good .

I was thinking along this very same line earlier. It is ok and even a virtue to strive for excellence or doing your best to the extent of your abilities. Striving for perfection, i.e. winning every game, every conference title, etc. is not healthy or attainable and will drive you crazy.
 
You were tasked with having at least one actual reason to believe this team will ever be any different than it is right now. You presented none.
I didn't know I was given a "homework" assignment...

I present facts, figures, statistics and analysis often on this board. These were opinions and thoughts. Big differences.
Those are not reasons, they are excuses. And, as explained, not everyone in this league does not have the same goal in basketball.
Not everyone has the same goal in basketball? Isn't the object of the game to score more points than your opponent thus the goal is to win the game? Are you saying some teams in CUSA don't try to win each and every game? If so then why even field a team or have a scoreboard?
Again, no reasons, EXCUSES. Winners win, losers make excuses.
Woulda, coulda, shoulda... There is definitely a difference between critical assessment of a team and coach without a negative bias than making excuses. That is the only way you can improve.
K. So DD's teams hit the court unprepared and "peak" at the right time, which is DD sycophant speak for "one time, from 4th place, we got hot for 8 days, it might happen again."
Is it "peaking at the right time" or improving more over the course of a season than your opposition does?
"Fun." In other words, you accept mediocrity.
I have said it before and will say it again I treasure the games I attend with a very dear friend who happens to be in his mid 80's. I don't know how much longer I will get to do that. We have had "fun" watching games during this re-emergence of MU basketball under Coach Dan. My friend has probably done more for MU athletics than virtually anyone. It is frankly insulting for you to equate us having fun with accepting mediocrity.

And while I'm at it there are much more important things in the lives of these young athletes than winning less than what you believe are the necessary amount of games. No one wins every point, every game or every situation. There are many defeats along the way of life and many life lessons to be learned. It is how you respond to these defeats is what measures your character. How you pick yourself up and respond to the adversity. I have seen this year's team lose the first game of a series and then regroup and win the second.

I saw Adjin Penava work to improve his game to an amazing level under Coach Dan. His efforts were a major reason for the CUSA title and 1st NCAA tournament win. I have posted his NBA scouting videos here to illustrate how much he spread the court to make those successes possible. Go back and look for yourself.

Without Penava the following year it was not the same team and struggled before improving late in the season and winning the CIT. I figure you likely dismiss this tournament and in the process "diss" the 20 year-old Herd players and their efforts that continued to play through the disappointment of that season by going out winners. Over the course of his career I saw C.J. Burks play well for 38 minutes and struggle down the stretch. In this tournament C.J. applied some life lessons learned on the court and finished games strong. He was able to accomplish this by perseverance, hard work and likely Coach D'Antoni's positive attitude and left a winner. But you want to say his efforts, successes and life lessons learned don't matter because you think the CIT is a tournament for "losers"?

After losing two of the top 5 scorers in MU history and their related leadership, Coach D and the Herd had to regroup and again improved over the course of the next season and were playing their best basketball until COVID shut down the season.

This year has followed the same trend as prior seasons with players developing along the way and the team improving in the process. David Early has really improved as a true freshman. Mikel Beyers has developed into a more complete player (finally) and is no longer just a streak shooting 3 point threat. Taevion Kinsey is emerging as a possible 1st round NBA pick. And Andy Taylor has emerged as a team leader and outstanding player in his sophomore year.

So yeah, I'm having fun and don't apologize to you or anyone else for having it. I like our chances this week and hope I am more right than you are.
 
In most years, the worst D1 football league in the country.

Plenty of CUSA's membership schools have had better success in basketball, yet its still a 1 bid league.
I would give a slight edge to basketball since the CUSA tournament winner normally wins their first NCAA tournament game, but honestly, both football and basketball aren't good by any means.
 
I was thinking along this very same line earlier. It is ok and even a virtue to strive for excellence or doing your best to the extent of your abilities. Striving for perfection, i.e. winning every game, every conference title, etc. is not healthy or attainable and will drive you crazy.
It's not, but football, that was demanded and when it didn't happen, you got let go.
Fans often ignored any individual records being broken and just counted 1 CUSA title.

In basketball it isn't expected, because MU's history in basketball as a program (not individual players) is bad. So bad that Dan didn't really need much time to surpass mostly everyone else ahead of him. Fans counted the individual records of Elmore and others, and just seem to ignore 1 CUSA title.
 
It's not, but football, that was demanded and when it didn't happen, you got let go.
Fans often ignored any individual records being broken and just counted 1 CUSA title.
I understand your analogy but I think there was more to that in football. We've already discussed the possible reasons here ad nauseum.

When I was younger MU had more basketball successes and expectations were higher for it than football.
 
Can anyone (johns & Sam included) post that they hope we flame out Wednesday night, just so they can puff out their chest & proclaim the team sucks, Kinsey will never have a chance at the next level or Andrew Taylor just isn’t all that? Of course not.

Actually, they would want Kinsey to succeed, because then that would have them ask why MU wasn't better with a 1st/2nd round NBA draft pick.

I don't think anyone wants MU to fail, I think MU basketball IS better in terms of just looking like a team (even though some games, they look like shit) but the W/L and CUSA titles aren't coming and MU seems to simply struggle when it shouldn't. Thats the difference.
Also, Dan's more involved directly with the team, HE is calling the plays, HE is drawing up the scenarios, HE is directing everything.
Huff has assistant coaches and coordinators that CAN be blamed for bad plays or whatever, but not a basketball head coach. Thus, the criticism falls on Dan in this case.
 
I didn't know I was given a "homework" assignment...

I present facts, figures, statistics and analysis often on this board. These were opinions and thoughts. Big differences.

Not everyone has the same goal in basketball? Isn't the object of the game to score more points than your opponent thus the goal is to win the game? Are you saying some teams in CUSA don't try to win each and every game? If so then why even field a team or have a scoreboard?

Woulda, coulda, shoulda... There is definitely a difference between critical assessment of a team and coach without a negative bias than making excuses. That is the only way you can improve.

Is it "peaking at the right time" or improving more over the course of a season than your opposition does?

I have said it before and will say it again I treasure the games I attend with a very dear friend who happens to be in his mid 80's. I don't know how much longer I will get to do that. We have had "fun" watching games during this re-emergence of MU basketball under Coach Dan. My friend has probably done more for MU athletics than virtually anyone. It is frankly insulting for you to equate us having fun with accepting mediocrity.

And while I'm at it there are much more important things in the lives of these young athletes than winning less than what you believe are the necessary amount of games. No one wins every point, every game or every situation. There are many defeats along the way of life and many life lessons to be learned. It is how you respond to these defeats is what measures your character. How you pick yourself up and respond to the adversity. I have seen this year's team lose the first game of a series and then regroup and win the second.

I saw Adjin Penava work to improve his game to an amazing level under Coach Dan. His efforts were a major reason for the CUSA title and 1st NCAA tournament win. I have posted his NBA scouting videos here to illustrate how much he spread the court to make those successes possible. Go back and look for yourself.

Without Penava the following year it was not the same team and struggled before improving late in the season and winning the CIT. I figure you likely dismiss this tournament and in the process "diss" the 20 year-old Herd players and their efforts that continued to play through the disappointment of that season by going out winners. Over the course of his career I saw C.J. Burks play well for 38 minutes and struggle down the stretch. In this tournament C.J. applied some life lessons learned on the court and finished games strong. He was able to accomplish this by perseverance, hard work and likely Coach D'Antoni's positive attitude and left a winner. But you want to say his efforts, successes and life lessons learned don't matter because you think the CIT is a tournament for "losers"?

After losing two of the top 5 scorers in MU history and their related leadership, Coach D and the Herd had to regroup and again improved over the course of the next season and were playing their best basketball until COVID shut down the season.

This year has followed the same trend as prior seasons with players developing along the way and the team improving in the process. David Early has really improved as a true freshman. Mikel Beyers has developed into a more complete player (finally) and is no longer just a streak shooting 3 point threat. Taevion Kinsey is emerging as a possible 1st round NBA pick. And Andy Taylor has emerged as a team leader and outstanding player in his sophomore year.

So yeah, I'm having fun and don't apologize to you or anyone else for having it. I like our chances this week and hope I am more right than you are.
Ky - great post! Sam is a lost cause, I am afraid. He is also into his 70’s, so one would think he would appreciate your uncertainty of continuing a cherished friendship......:oops:
 
Ky - great post! Sam is a lost cause, I am afraid. He is also into his 70’s, so one would think he would appreciate your uncertainty of continuing a cherished friendship......:oops:
Much appreciated. Thanks!
 
I understand your analogy but I think there was more to that in football. We've already discussed the possible reasons here ad nauseum.

When I was younger MU had more basketball successes and expectations were higher for it than football.

Its because Dan has a good personality and he just fits everything the fans want. So because of that (and some other things), he's given more slack.
In the NCAA however, being a nice guy won't cut it for long, programs want wins and titles.
 
Actually, they would want Kinsey to succeed, because then that would have them ask why MU wasn't better with a 1st/2nd round NBA draft pick.

I don't think anyone wants MU to fail, I think MU basketball IS better in terms of just looking like a team (even though some games, they look like shit) but the W/L and CUSA titles aren't coming and MU seems to simply struggle when it shouldn't. Thats the difference.
Also, Dan's more involved directly with the team, HE is calling the plays, HE is drawing up the scenarios, HE is directing everything.
Huff has assistant coaches and coordinators that CAN be blamed for bad plays or whatever, but not a basketball head coach. Thus, the criticism falls on Dan in this case.
Understand and agree to a degree. Always room for improvement. We can all agree or disagree in how we get there.

For the record I always liked Doc too but ran into some "fatigue " as this past season wore on.
 
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Its because Dan has a good personality and he just fits everything the fans want. So because of that (and some other things), he's given more slack.
In the NCAA however, being a nice guy won't cut it for long, programs want wins and titles.
Again understand to a degree.

Now I have a question. What is the difference in playing in and winning the CIT and beating a 7-6 South Florida team in the Gasparilla Bowl? Should we thus only count certain "quality" bowl wins since some here won't acknowledge the CIT wins?
 
Again understand to a degree.

Now I have a question. What is the difference in playing in and winning the CIT and beating a 7-6 South Florida team in the Gasparilla Bowl? Should we thus only count certain "quality" bowl wins since some here won't acknowledge the CIT wins?
I think the football bowl season is more popular for fans than anything beyond the NCAA and NIT tournaments so the fans will take wins accordingly.
MU beat pretty much everyone from a better football conference in the bowl games, so a win against them, is better.
I can't even recall who MU beat to win the CIT...any of the teams.
 
I think the football bowl season is more popular for fans than anything beyond the NCAA and NIT tournaments so the fans will take wins accordingly.
MU beat pretty much everyone from a better football conference in the bowl games, so a win against them, is better.
I can't even recall who MU beat to win the CIT...any of the teams.
I had to look the Gasparilla Bowl up because I couldn't remember who we played. I remember playing Ole Miss, BYU, UofL, Cincinnati, East Carolina and Maryland in bowl games. Didn't recall South Florida. See the analogy and similarities? It works both ways. I think to acknowledge one and not the other is pretty insulting to the players and their efforts and successes.

Not directing that at you. More of a rhetorical question.
 
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And along those same lines - should our football victories against 1-AA opponents count because they were against "lower-tier" opponents?

Why is it so easy for some to celebrate and laud every football victory yet feel entitled for some reason to pick and choose which basketball wins count?
 
So what are the "reasons" that we won only 1 conference championship in football over the last decade.
Sam wont answer the question. Sam is always talking about schools in the league not committed to hoops but when you ask him about just how bad CUSA football is he wont answer. He also wont discuss just how little MU puts into hoops as well.
 
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So what are the "reasons" that we won only 1 conference championship in football over the last decade.

This is a BASKETBALL thread, about BASKETBALL. Mediocre basketball. MU could have gone 14-0, 0-14, or not had a football program at all, and it would not change one iota of the need for discussion about our mediocre basketball program and the fan base's sad acceptance of mediocrity.


I present facts, figures, statistics and analysis often on this board. These were opinions and thoughts. Big differences.

And still no actual reason why you said the team will be better at some unnamed future point.

Because there are none.


So yeah, I'm having fun and don't apologize to you or anyone else for having it. I like our chances this week and hope I am more right than you are.

So you like watching mediocre basketball. Great. You have the childlike enthusiasm that maybe, some how, some way, beat teams that are clearly better. Great.

I simply called you out on your toss away line, a common childish super-fan toss away line all over the sports world, about how the future was this bright thing. You presented no reason for using the toss away line, because there is NO REASON to believe that this mediocre team will be any different at any point in the future.

None.

but when you ask him about just how bad CUSA football is he wont answer.

Again, BASKETBALL thread. BASKETBALL season.

But, since you asked.

Football. 14 schools, all trying to be on the same page. Brought together for that very purpose. If CUSA football and winning at it are not pleasing to you, then NOTHING that EVER happens at MU will ever suit you. Find something else to do.

Basketball. 14 schools, all trying to be on the same page, in football. Brought together with vastly different levels of commitment to basketball, and other sports. MU easily in the top third of CUSA, automatically, just by our level of commitment. If you consider finishing 5th or 6th in a league where a third simply are not trying, then fine. Enjoy.

You accept mediocrity.
 
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This is a BASKETBALL thread, about BASKETBALL. Mediocre basketball. MU could have gone 14-0, 0-14, or not had a football program at all, and it would not change one iota of the need for discussion about our mediocre basketball program and the fan base's sad acceptance of mediocrity.




And still no actual reason why you said the team will be better at some unnamed future point.

Because there are none.




So you like watching mediocre basketball. Great. You have the childlike enthusiasm that maybe, some how, some way, beat teams that are clearly better. Great.

I simply called you out on your toss away line, a common childish super-fan toss away line all over the sports world, about how the future was this bright thing. You presented no reason for using the toss away line, because there is NO REASON to believe that this mediocre team will be any different at any point in the future.

None.



Again, BASKETBALL thread. BASKETBALL season.

But, since you asked.

Football. 14 schools, all trying to be on the same page. Brought together for that very purpose. If CUSA football and winning at it are not pleasing to you, then NOTHING that EVER happens at MU will ever suit you. Find something else to do.

Basketball. 14 schools, all trying to be on the same page, in football. Brought together with vastly different levels of commitment to basketball, and other sports. MU easily in the top third of CUSA, automatically, just by our level of commitment. If you consider finishing 5th or 6th in a league where a third simply are not trying, then fine. Enjoy.

You accept mediocrity.
Your point makes zero sense since the conference as a whole is dwelling in mediocrity. CUSA is below average in football so commitment and results are different. As a matter of fact, if the conference is as committed as you say then there is a problem because this football is bad. Several years ago we spent $14 Million on an indoor practice facility which means MU is committed to football.

I can be pleased just perform in a bad conference.

Dan has ask for the University to renovate Gullickson for a practice facility and that has never happened. Dan works for a low salary. So Im not sure how you think the University is committed to basketball. Bottom line, for every additional $$ spent on hoops its takes away from football
 
And along those same lines - should our football victories against 1-AA opponents count because they were against "lower-tier" opponents?

Why is it so easy for some to celebrate and laud every football victory yet feel entitled for some reason to pick and choose which basketball wins count?

Now you're grasping. MU was in the 1-AA itself, thus all of its wins should be celebrated as they were.
Now that MU is in the FBS and any loss against an FCS, should be met with criticism.

I find it surprising you're having trouble with this.
 
I had to look the Gasparilla Bowl up because I couldn't remember who we played. I remember playing Ole Miss, BYU, UofL, Cincinnati, East Carolina and Maryland in bowl games. Didn't recall South Florida. See the analogy and similarities? It works both ways. I think to acknowledge one and not the other is pretty insulting to the players and their efforts and successes.

Not directing that at you. More of a rhetorical question.

I sense some doubt you had to look up who MU played since you said, straight up, USF and even had their record listed...and said nothing about needing to find who it was. It was only after I said that, you mentioned it yourself, either your memory is spotty or you only said that to protect the integrity of your initial post.
But I digress...
I find it hard for anyone to not know who MU played in most of its bowl games...considering a great amount of threads were dedicated to firing Doc if MU lost and the bowl game itself.
Also since the pool for bowl opponents is much smaller, you don't really need wikipedia to figure out who you're playing.
Also, as I said before, CUSA is often considered the worst conference in America so by virtue of that, ANYONE MU plays, is better and a more quality opponent.

We've met at a stalemate at this point.
 
Now you're grasping. MU was in the 1-AA itself, thus all of its wins should be celebrated as they were.
Now that MU is in the FBS and any loss against an FCS, should be met with criticism.

I find it surprising you're having trouble with this.
Not grasping just a satirical example using the same illogical double-standard arguments that some are using to compare football performance to basketball performance.

I don't bash football incessantly and illogically even when it has only won 1 CUSA title and had a recent losing season. During the same time the basketball team has won the same number of CUSA titles. The basketball team was 13-19 and 11-22 the two years before DD got here, went 11-21 his first year and hasn't had a losing season since. I see progress.

We play in "third tier" bowl games which are celebrated by some yet when we play in "third tier" basketball tournaments it is discounted and even ridiculed by those same ones.
 
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I sense some doubt you had to look up who MU played since you said, straight up, USF and even had their record listed...and said nothing about needing to find who it was. It was only after I said that, you mentioned it yourself, either your memory is spotty or you only said that to protect the integrity of your initial post.
But I digress...
We have played in some bowl games with some more prominent schools that are easier for me to remember and other ones that I can't. Like you I couldn't remember who we played in the CIT other than IUPUI even though I was at every game. I remembered some lower tier bowl games with non-traditional opponents, especially the Gasparilla Bowl. I simply looked up our bowl records and pulled that out.

Simple as that. Just drawing a parallel for comparison. No need to read further into it.
 
Now you're grasping. MU was in the 1-AA itself, thus all of its wins should be celebrated as they were.
Now that MU is in the FBS and any loss against an FCS, should be met with criticism.

I find it surprising you're having trouble with this.
I don't think it is a comprehension problem, GHMY. As usual, you tend to talk down to everyone like you are Capt Von Trapp and we should just follow your orders. These threads almost always go off the rail, because we are a bunch of emotional misfits who tend to get agitated w/each other and keep bashing each other over the head with the same tired old arguments/accusations & insults. If you go over to CUSABBS, you will find a much more mature group of fans who love their schools, and while they will good naturedly barb each other, also offer honest opinions about their teams as well as their perceptions of their conference mates' teams. Usually very interesting stuff. I can see why folks have gravitated away from HN. Same guys bitching about the same guys who set themselves up as the target for attack by espousing ridiculous, repetitive opinions, which eventually cause otherwise reasonable people to get angry and start hitting their keyboards with unusual force.......we are for sure the island of misfit toys around here! And - have you ever seen "The Sound of Music" and Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer" mentioned in the same post on a sports message board? Didn't think so! Peace out brothers.........
 
Your point makes zero sense since the conference as a whole is dwelling in mediocrity. CUSA is below average in football so commitment and results are different. As a matter of fact, if the conference is as committed as you say then there is a problem because this football is bad. Several years ago we spent $14 Million on an indoor practice facility which means MU is committed to football.

I can be pleased just perform in a bad conference.

Dan has ask for the University to renovate Gullickson for a practice facility and that has never happened. Dan works for a low salary. So Im not sure how you think the University is committed to basketball. Bottom line, for every additional $$ spent on hoops its takes away from football

CUSA isn't very committed to football, the commish hasn't really been forward thinking with TV or just publicly saying the football needs to be better.
I imagine there's a ton of BS the commish has to deal with in order to make such a thing happen and some things happened prior to her arrival.

Basketball though? They re-arranged the entire schedule for basketball introducing the "Pod System" to help increase the top tiers of the conference to get more NCAA bids.
It failed, but thats one thing I'll give CUSA credit for doing, trying an innovative approach to help bolster the conference.

I think MU sees its basketball program as a true stepping stone for coaches...which would include its efforts into funding it.
Dan takes a low salary because he doesn't really need a high one. What, 10 years in the NBA making 6 figures and likely high 6 figures, puts him into a upper tier bracket for WV residents, doesn't he co-own Main St. on Central in Barboursville? Dan has also said he's not been about a high salary, and even took a pay cut along with Doc and Hamrick during 2020.
So let's not pretend Dan's begging for change.

As for Gullickson, I'd take a long look at it and ask if renovation is the way to go or if it's cheaper to just tear the damn thing down and build something new.
 
Not grasping just a satirical example using the same illogical double-standard arguments that some are using to compare football performance to basketball performance.

I don't bash football incessantly and illogically even when it has only won 1 CUSA title and had a recent losing season. During the same time the basketball team has won the same number of CUSA titles. The basketball team was 13-19 and 11-22 the two years before DD got here, went 11-21 his first year and hasn't had a losing season since. I see progress.

We play in "third tier" bowl games which are celebrated by some yet when we play in "third tier" basketball tournaments it is discounted and even ridiculed by those same ones.

"Fire Doc. 1 CUSA title in 11 years!! I don't care if he won 10 games for 3 seasons! Who cares that Cato broke everyone's records or that MU finished in the top 25...CUSA is a terrible conference! 2016 is recent, MU sucks. Fire Legg, he's terrible and Doc's buddy so he'll never go. MU plays boring football, nah, I don't care MU made SC Top 10 plays tonight, 1 title in 11 years!!! Minus the NY6 Bowl games, all others are useless!!!"

"Wow, Dan won CUSA for the first time ever! Look, the reason we aren't winning is because this 1 bid league is soooo deep with talented programs! I don't care, look at Dan's record! More wins than losses! No, it doesn't matter that he beat no top tier conference teams in the regular season. Let's welcome back coach Legg!!! Can't wait to see a new brand of exciting football from 'Huff's Herd!' If only we hadn't lost our best 3rd year player in 2017, MU would've like, won more! It's the selection committee's fault they can't see how exciting MU plays, losses be damned!!! So lets go and win the CIT!!!"

You mean that double standard?
 
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CUSA isn't very committed to football, the commish hasn't really been forward thinking with TV or just publicly saying the football needs to be better.
I imagine there's a ton of BS the commish has to deal with in order to make such a thing happen and some things happened prior to her arrival.

Basketball though? They re-arranged the entire schedule for basketball introducing the "Pod System" to help increase the top tiers of the conference to get more NCAA bids.
It failed, but thats one thing I'll give CUSA credit for doing, trying an innovative approach to help bolster the conference.

I think MU sees its basketball program as a true stepping stone for coaches...which would include its efforts into funding it.
Dan takes a low salary because he doesn't really need a high one. What, 10 years in the NBA making 6 figures and likely high 6 figures, puts him into a upper tier bracket for WV residents, doesn't he co-own Main St. on Central in Barboursville? Dan has also said he's not been about a high salary, and even took a pay cut along with Doc and Hamrick during 2020.
So let's not pretend Dan's begging for change.

As for Gullickson, I'd take a long look at it and ask if renovation is the way to go or if it's cheaper to just tear the damn thing down and build something new.
Danny is not begging for anything. He is looking for a commitment from the AD akin to the IPF in football. If, as is so pointedly discussed on here, Herd basketball is going to take the next step to shoot for a higher level of success, part of that is an investment in facilities. Period. The guys (& gals) should have their own place to practice, and the addition of a dedicated practice facility is looooong overdue. Either we are in it to win it, or we are ok with "mediocrity" in the basketball programs at MU.
 
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"Fire Doc. 1 CUSA title in 11 years!! I don't care if he won 10 games for 3 seasons! Who cares that Cato broke everyone's records or that MU finished in the top 25...CUSA is a terrible conference! 2016 is recent, MU sucks. Fire Legg, he's terrible and Doc's buddy so he'll never go. MU plays boring football, nah, I don't care MU made SC Top 10 plays tonight, 1 title in 11 years!!! Minus the NY6 Bowl games, all others are useless!!!"

"Wow, Dan won CUSA for the first time ever! Look, the reason we aren't winning is because this 1 bid league is soooo deep with talented programs! I don't care, look at Dan's record! More wins than losses! No, it doesn't matter that he beat no top tier conference teams in the regular season. Let's welcome back coach Legg!!! Can't wait to see a new brand of exciting football from 'Huff's Herd!' If only we hadn't lost our best 3rd year player in 2017, MU would've like, won more! It's the selection committee's fault they can't see how exciting MU plays, losses be damned!!! So lets go and win the CIT!!!"

You mean that double standard?
GHMY - I believe you are just as bad as Sam - waay too interested in seeing your ad nauseum thoughts on a computer screen just to stir up trouble. Your position(s) are well known. Give it a rest. Act your age!
 
I don't think it is a comprehension problem, GHMY. As usual, you tend to talk down to everyone like you are Capt Von Trapp and we should just follow your orders. These threads almost always go off the rail, because we are a bunch of emotional misfits who tend to get agitated w/each other and keep bashing each other over the head with the same tired old arguments/accusations & insults. If you go over to CUSABBS, you will find a much more mature group of fans who love their schools, and while they will good naturedly barb each other, also offer honest opinions about their teams as well as their perceptions of their conference mates' teams. Usually very interesting stuff. I can see why folks have gravitated away from HN. Same guys bitching about the same guys who set themselves up as the target for attack by espousing ridiculous, repetitive opinions, which eventually cause otherwise reasonable people to get angry and start hitting their keyboards with unusual force.......we are for sure the island of misfit toys around here! And - have you ever seen "The Sound of Music" and Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer" mentioned in the same post on a sports message board? Didn't think so! Peace out brothers.........

Well for one thing, I'm glad my family told the Nazis to piss off.
Second, I don't think you speak for him. He can speak for himself, and has.
Third, you presume I was meaning to talk down to him, I wasn't. I have since seen that his approach was satirical. It's hard to satire with text on a board like this. If it came off as such, my apologies to him.
 
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For the life of me I have never understood why so many come on here and bash C-USA. No doubt it is not an elite conference in FB or BB. However it is a legitimate D-1 conference, one of 10 that play D-1 football. Any given year it will be ranked from 8-10 in terms of conference ranking. It is a better conference than the So. Conference was and no worse than the MAC or Sun Belt. In 2020, 10 players were drafted from C-USA. The MAC had 2 drafted and the SB had 7 drafted. Basketball out of 32 conferences we are currently ranked #14 by Real Time RPI this season. I just can't figure out where some of you think we should go or why you think what we are doing is so bush league.
 
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Danny is not begging for anything. He is looking for a commitment from the AD akin to the IPF in football. If, as is so pointedly discussed on here, Herd basketball is going to take the next step to shoot for a higher level of success, part of that is an investment in facilities. Period. The guys (& gals) should have their own place to practice, and the addition of a dedicated practice facility is looooong overdue. Either we are in it to win it, or we are ok with "mediocrity" in the basketball programs at MU.

Such an investment also requires quite a bit of planning. I vaguely recall Gullickson being in one of the campus update Phases. Most likely Phase 4 or whichever was the last one.
Gullickson is going to impact a lot of teams, so I think the delay is because there's hardly any funding for it currently and because they'd need to shuffle the sports who use it, to other areas. Just my guess.

I did find this...seems like The Herd Rises was also to include Gullickson, most likely a renovation over a complete teardown/re-build.
An article about Gullickson and D'Antoni's thoughts on it, dated from 2014, mentioned a renovation would cost something like $5 million.

 
"Fire Doc. 1 CUSA title in 11 years!! I don't care if he won 10 games for 3 seasons! Who cares that Cato broke everyone's records or that MU finished in the top 25...CUSA is a terrible conference! 2016 is recent, MU sucks. Fire Legg, he's terrible and Doc's buddy so he'll never go. MU plays boring football, nah, I don't care MU made SC Top 10 plays tonight, 1 title in 11 years!!! Minus the NY6 Bowl games, all others are useless!!!"

"Wow, Dan won CUSA for the first time ever! Look, the reason we aren't winning is because this 1 bid league is soooo deep with talented programs! I don't care, look at Dan's record! More wins than losses! No, it doesn't matter that he beat no top tier conference teams in the regular season. Let's welcome back coach Legg!!! Can't wait to see a new brand of exciting football from 'Huff's Herd!' If only we hadn't lost our best 3rd year player in 2017, MU would've like, won more! It's the selection committee's fault they can't see how exciting MU plays, losses be damned!!! So lets go and win the CIT!!!"

You mean that double standard?
To a degree. I've always enjoyed and understood basketball more than football because I played it and coached it. I can see plays develop, assess matchups and analyze the game in basketball. I can't do that with football and have sat with a certain former coach and still don't see what he is telling me to look for.

Growing up in the late 60s and early 70s basketball was the game in town. I enjoyed seeing and watching the Herd grow and prosper in football too. I try to be a fan and supporter of both sports but it seems some if not many here take delight in disparaging basketball and in particular Dan D'Antoni. When I point out statistics that show the similarity of results or anything that shows advancement or success in basketball I am called out for it and presented with some pretty illogical rebuttals.

I always liked Doc but came to the conclusion this past season that it was probably time for him to go and not have his contract renewed.

So to me it comes down to which came first, the chicken or the egg? Who bashed which sport or coach first and who responded by bashing the other.

I only got satirical when someone really went into attack mode. All I know is over the last few years I have had more fun watching the "mediocre" basketball team play rather than the "underachieving" football team. It hasn't been that way since the late 80s.

Go Herd! 🙂👍
 
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