Yeah, it's difficult for me to comprehend the ackenpucky some of you spew. Since we offer free public education through high school, we should deny that to others so that high school education won't be devalued.
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Yeah, it's difficult for me to comprehend the ackenpucky some of you spew. Since we offer free public education through high school, we should deny that to others so that high school education won't be devalued.
You do understand, a lot of countries that are viewed as being more educated than America offers free college education. Also if more people had a free college education they would be able to spend their money on other things instead of paying back college loans.
If America can give billions of dollars a year to the crooked Isreali and Bahrain governments, they could us that same money to put back into th education of their own citizens
You mean the lily white Scandinavian countries and the tiger mom and communist countries of Asia. Look I agree higher Ed has gotten way to expensive. I also agree that we waste money on foreign govts but honestly what value does anything that's free have?
Making excuses for what? There are inherent problems with "free" college for everyone. If you can't figure them out that's not my problem
Did your elementary and high school education have any value? C'mon man, just realize your argument is not valid.
Yeah, it probably wouldn't be an entirely smooth transition. But are you going to argue it wouldn't be an advantage to the nation to have a more college educated population? It's the exact same education whether it's free or paid for by the individual.
Spouting "Free" College is a cheap political ploy aimed at garnering votes from the lower economic class, a class that already has access to a virtually free education if they had the grades and initiative to apply for it.
Actually having a plan to reduce college costs would have a much larger impact on the Middle and Upper Middle Class......Those that don't qualify for financial aid and federal grants.
Instead of having an actual plan, many politicians just yell "Free"!!! Free doesn't mean reduced entrance requirements and does nothing to fix the problems at the High School level that fails to prepare students for college.
Actually having a plan to reduce college costs would have a much larger impact on the Middle and Upper Middle Class......Those that don't qualify for financial aid and federal grants.
Instead of having an actual plan, many politicians just yell "Free"!!! Free doesn't mean reduced entrance requirements and does nothing to fix the problems at the High School level that fails to prepare students for college.
When will morons ever understand that nothing is "free"? "Free" is a tool to suck in idiots before they get fleeced (monetarily and/or quality).
"Free" college education will likely never happen for whites. Someone has to pay the salary of terrible tenured professors. Someone has to pay for the campus expansions and new fancy dorm buildings. Someone has to pay for "free" minority educations that produce "graduates" who can barely write a coherent sentence (like Fever).
The concept of "Free" anything, reduces the value and quality of whatever is being produced and promoted. Whether it's buy 1 get 1 free takeout hamburgers or "free" healthcare, a level of quality and long term sustainability is reduced. "Free" raises the long term cost.
Even the hypocrite Greed understands this concept or he would be giving kitchen cabinets away..for free to those that want a new kitchen to improve the value of their home and lifestyle.
"Free" college education will likely never happen for whites. Someone has to pay the salary of terrible tenured professors. Someone has to pay for the campus expansions and new fancy dorm buildings. Someone has to pay for "free" minority educations that produce "graduates" who can barely write a coherent sentence (like Fever).
The concept of "Free" anything, reduces the value and quality of whatever is being produced and promoted. Whether it's buy 1 get 1 free takeout hamburgers or "free" healthcare, a level of quality and long term sustainability is reduced. "Free" raises the long term cost.
Even the hypocrite Greed understands this concept or he would be giving kitchen cabinets away..for free to those that want a new kitchen to improve the value of their home and lifestyle.
I never said it wouldnt be advantageous to have a more educated population and it wont be the same education. The govt would get more involved in curriculum, they would "dumb down" the course material so even the kid with the 1.5 high school gpa would be a college graduate.
So is "free" college for everyone will be great. Considering tax dollars will be used to pay for "free" education you damn well better believe the govt will be involved in oversight. They will want to make sure they are getting their money's worth
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Govt money is already being used, in large amounts. There is no good reason not to have free education from start through college. None.
You're right. Why stop with college govt is involved in housing and food and medicine too. Let's go ahead and give everyone free housing free food and free medical coverage
Earth to extra. All of those things would benefit the whole. What's the problem
I'm all for single payer healthcare. I'm all for free food and housing for those who are without. And when you know that nearly twice as much of our tax money goes to subsidize big business than for the social safety net, and as long as we're doing that, you have no leg to stand on in this discussion. It has been suggested that we might be able to provide free college tuition without raising taxes by much, if any. And I am ALL for making Wall Street pay for some of it if that's required. They destroyed about 7 trillion dollars of our wealth with their greedy shenanigans.
I think cabinet companies should give their kitchen cabinets away for free. Think about the improved home values for all the average homeowners. Those improved values mean higher property taxes for govt and higher prices for sellers.
Shouldn't cost too much to throw some old books in a shut down fried chicken shack and call it a day. Of course the dopers will have to move down the street, but that's no big deal.
I don't know the financial aid policies today. But I know that I graduated with about a 3.75 GPA in high school college prep, we had little money, lived appx 15-17 miles from MU, and I didn't qualify for help. Or possibly my guidance counselor dropped the ball.
Every Student today is required to complete a FASFA. Then the college to which they apply is required to provide information on any grants or aid for which they qualify.
Today, you probably would have qualified for a Promise Scholarship.......Any outside grants/scholarships are on your guidance counselor. Most of those you have to take the initiative. My Son had a 3.8 GPA in High School and didn't qualify for any academic money. We did get the Academic Common Market however, which helped enormously!
The plan in my mind should involve this:
1. No more federal aid money to for profit colleges. Their default rate on student loans is astronomical, they're crappy degree mills, and they cost us millions and prey upon uneducated populations. State community college systems can pick up their slack and fill this need. Federal money already subsidizes enough industries, we don't need to put TONS of money into a for-profit education system.
2. Get colleges/universities to have some incentive to see their graduates actually can pay their student loans. Right now a federal student loan is up front money and the colleges don't care how, if, and when these loans ever get paid back. The universities have no skin in the game for federal loan money.
3. Eliminate the arms race for facilities (no, your little snowflake child does not need a super fancy dorm room and workout facilities and gluten free meal options at the cafeteria) and non-faculty middle managers/administrators that bloat the system and provide minimal educational value
4. Put a risk assessment formula into the student loan interest rate calculation. A kid with a 3.8 majoring in engineering (very low default rate) should not be paying the same rate on his/her interest on student loans as someone majoring in theater. In every other loan industry your rate is determined based upon risk...except education.
5. Private schools with massive endowments should be providing their own student loan departments and issuing their own loans (at least for a certain % of their student body that needs aid). Yes, they already provide some of their own grants, but there is no reason a place like Elon -$189 million endowment (or insert any other expensive, beautiful campus, small private liberal arts school with plenty of money but degree programs not much better (or not at all) than state schools) should be allowed to accept thousands in federal student aid for students majoring in high risk majors in which they may never pay them back. That's free money to the school and there's zero reason to keep tuition costs down.
"Free" college for everyone and the concept that everyone needs to go to college has left millennials with worthless degrees and mountains of student loan debt. Education for the populace is a great idea in theory, but this concept has put millennials in a very bad financial spot moving forward, so it's time to re think it. Drastically.
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There nothing wrong with the millenials getting a college education. The problem is student debt and low wage jobs.
