Fire Doc...

[i am herdman]

How did that work out at Tennessee?

Good. They got rid of Butch Jones.

 

[i am herdman]

Well...is 8-5 an improvement from 3-9?
To me, records only tell a portion of the story.
In 2016, Marshall was essentially out of the games in the 2nd half. That spoke alot about just how bad we were.
This season, even with losses, Marshall was never out of the game and at least remained competitive.
Litton not being thrown through a table by his TE, is improvement. The team, being more cohesive in their units, is improvement.
MU beating WKU, is improvement.

Can MU do better? Absolutely. But we can't ignore some of the positives that have happened this season.

But is Hamrick wrong about 8-5 being an improvement?

Well for one, he went 3-9. Total failure. That is his 3rd losing season.

One conference championship in this league in 8 years? That is not so good either.

 

[All4TheHerd]

Good. They got rid of Butch Jones.

They became a laughing stock. Yes, Butch was gone which helped, however, what followed made them look like fools and become the least sought out HC job in the SEC.

 

[huntersdl2007]

They probably still would have beat us

 

[THUNDER8718]

If its Litton not running when he is supposed to, I will 100% support benching him. It also would show Legg isn't as bad as everyone thinks and its just Litton not cooperating. I doubt thats the case but who knows.

Also, the fans would not accept Doc or Legg winning as anything legitimate or genuine at this point. MU isn't going to have anything you listed because people will find ways to not credit such a thing properly.
Its interesting you didn't mention Kueck as the OC for the exciting years. Was it all on the QB? Then again, coaching any of those 3 makes a total idiot look amazingly smart.
If MU does adapt an exciting and winning product, like in 2014, will fans actually admit good things about Doc or just credit it with th QB?

I'm not sure if it's litton or Legg or both. It's obvious that there is something wrong on the offense and one or the other is not clicking . I would say having Kueck was a combination of both QB smarts and Offensive coordinator smarts. They clicked and ran like a fine tuned machine. My opinion is if Doc made some moves whether it be at QB or Legg then I see the fans jumping on board. If we fans see our head coach making some drastic moves to better our team then we can see he's ALL in! IMO Doc has yet to show us he's capable of making these moves to better our program. Whatever back door moves he made this past year wasn't great. The only thing different he did was implement a few different plays on offense and that's NOT going to cut it. If Doc makes a move then I will 100% back him. Then I know he's trying to better our team. Like i have been saying we need a spark and we need it ASAP.

 

[CarolinaHerdzilla]

5 of 8 years the football team has won 7 or less games, and the average number of wins for a season is 7.5 wins. So how is it not the norm?

Add to the fact Marshall has the best home winning % in FBS football. I will add, I was hoping for a Conference Championship when The HERD stood at 6--1, losing to champion, FAU, by only 5 points on the road. Closing, not scoring 21 more points (in our 4 CUSA defeats) this season...got Marshall what it earned!

Zilla22

 

[CarolinaHerdzilla]

Well...is 8-5 an improvement from 3-9?
To me, records only tell a portion of the story.
In 2016, Marshall was essentially out of the games in the 2nd half. That spoke alot about just how bad we were.
This season, even with losses, Marshall was never out of the game and at least remained competitive.
Litton not being thrown through a table by his TE, is improvement. The team, being more cohesive in their units, is improvement.
MU beating WKU, is improvement.

Can MU do better? Absolutely. But we can't ignore some of the positives that have happened this season.

But is Hamrick wrong about 8-5 being an improvement?

I agree with your points, All4The Herd.....I think the fact The HERD finished the season on a 2-game losing streak (UTSA 9-7 & So. Miss 28-27)..... soured a lot of fans. What if Marshall loses the Bowl game to the Col. State Rams? OUCH!!!!!

Zilla22

 

[THUNDERGround]

7 wins is certainly not the norm for this program, however, given last season's total meltdown, 7 wins is good for this season and this season only.
I expect double digit wins next year.

Agree. While I'm certainly disappointed in the way we seemed to squander opportunities or flub away at least four conference games, after last years debacle I'm proud of the way they turned it around and will finish the season with a bowl. I think many of us predicted that the Herd would finish no better than 5-7.

 

[All4TheHerd]

I agree with your points, All4The Herd.....I think the fact The HERD finished the season on a 2-game losing streak (UTSA 9-7 & So. Miss 28-27)..... soured a lot of fans. What if Marshall loses the Bowl game to the Col. State Rams? OUCH!!!!!

Zilla22

Depends on how the bowl game looks. We lose a close one either on some last second miracle or BS ref call, I can live with that more than I could a blowout.
The latter would dictate me to be fine with Doc's seat getting heated up and Legg needing to go (I already am fine with him going this season after it ended but if he lacks offense this game, I will be very much in favor of he being gone).
Also, if Litton sucks, his job won't be secure come Spring.

 

[extragreen]

I dismiss the 2 years he had without the players he wanted. But that would push it to 8 wins.
What exactly is the bar then for you? Wins wise?

Did Doc not get paid those first 2 years? I stated after the 2010 season that Doc was not a good coach. One thing allowed us to have success a few years....Cato. I stick by that statement.

 

[i am herdman]

Did Doc not get paid those first 2 years? I stated after the 2010 season that Doc was not a good coach. One thing allowed us to have success a few years....Cato. I stick by that statement.

Doc only gets to count the good years. That is the way it works now. Even though the year before he took over MU went to a bowl game and beat Ohio(a team Doc has trouble with).

Reality is Doc is not much different than Snyder. If Doc played Snyder's schedules his .588 winning percentage would be closer to where Snyder's was.

Only reason Doc is safe is because of the good old boy system running the show at MU now. Riding it out as long as they can.

 

[Dorrej]

Did Doc not get paid those first 2 years? I stated after the 2010 season that Doc was not a good coach. One thing allowed us to have success a few years....Cato. I stick by that statement.

I agree and I've held the same opinion on Doc for about as long. He would have already been fired if it wasn't for Cato IMO.

 

[W-S HerdFan]

Where did high octave football go?

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/of79y40bxprqgww/Photo Dec 15, 13 10 24.jpg?dl=0

............at least she is wearing the right kind of horns! Hopefully she will be singing our song around 8:00p.m. tomorrow night....

 

[All4TheHerd]

Doc only gets to count the good years. That is the way it works now. Even though the year before he took over MU went to a bowl game and beat Ohio(a team Doc has trouble with).

Reality is Doc is not much different than Snyder. If Doc played Snyder's schedules his .588 winning percentage would be closer to where Snyder's was.

Only reason Doc is safe is because of the good old boy system running the show at MU now. Riding it out as long as they can.

Wow, ohio is your measuring stick.
Bet you're one of those people who wish MU had Solich.

Also, snyder may be a good coordinator, and even at that, he's pretty bad, but he is NOT a head coach. snyder could have an NFL team and still lose...oh wait, he did.