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FVCK THA POLICE: Court affirms: legal to give cops the finger

Raoul Duke MU

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Fly that bird, good people, let it fly....

If you've ever been tempted to make a rude gesture at a police officer, you can rest assured that the Constitution protects your right to do so, a federal appeals court says.

In the sequence of events described by the court, a woman in Michigan, Debra Cruise-Gulyas, was pulled over in 2017 for speeding. The officer showed leniency, writing her up for a lesser violation known as a nonmoving violation. As she drove away, apparently insufficiently appreciative of the officer's gesture, Cruise-Gulyas made a certain gesture of her own. Or as the court put it, "she made an all-too-familiar gesture at [Officer Matthew] Minard with her hand and without four of her fingers showing."

Minard was not amused. He pulled her over again and rewrote the ticket for speeding. Cruise-Gulyas sued, arguing she had a First Amendment right to wiggle whatever finger she wanted at the police.

In a ruling this week, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit agreed. "Fits of rudeness or lack of gratitude may violate the Golden Rule," wrote Judge Jeffrey Sutton for the 3-0 panel. "But that doesn't make them illegal or for that matter punishable."

And once the first stop ended, Minard needed a legitimate reason to pull the driver over again. Detaining her without one constituted an "unreasonable seizure" in violation of the Fourth Amendment, the court said. "Cruise-Gulyas did not break any law that would justify the second stop and at most was exercising her free speech rights," the court wrote.

It is well-settled that what Cruise-Gulyas did is protected by the Constitution, the court said. "Any reasonable officer would know that a citizen who raises her middle finger engages in speech protected by the First Amendment," Sutton wrote.

Minard analogized his actions to a prosecutor who might renege on a plea deal if a defendant behaved offensively. But the court wasn't swayed. The facts here are more like "a judge who hauls the defendant back into court a week or two after imposing a sentence based on the defendant's after-the-fact speech," the court said. "Minard, in short, clearly had no proper basis for seizing Cruise-Gulyas a second time."

The court's ruling means Cruise-Gulyas' lawsuit can proceed in a lower court.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/15/7036...-driver-for-giving-him-the-finger-court-rules

On a side note, this is a dirty cop: he was just suspended after an FBI raid investigation corruption.
 
So, the court rules you have a right to be stupid.

The court rules you have to right to be disrespectful to agents of the government without sanction or takings. Which is how it should be.

What I think is funny is people like you rant about how we need less government but demand some special respect for the police (armed agents of the government). And you openly support a President that has said law enforcement is bad (because it is targeting his criminal ass, but that's another story). Hypocrites.
 
The court rules you have to right to be disrespectful to agents of the government without sanction or takings. Which is how it should be.

What I think is funny is people like you rant about how we need less government but demand some special respect for the police (armed agents of the government). And you openly support a President that has said law enforcement is bad (because it is targeting his criminal ass, but that's another story). Hypocrites.
I agree with the court. But, it is stupid to flip a cop off for no real reason.
 
Why? A lot of you white people voted for Trump to flip the bird to a large part of America, including the government.

There it is! Liberals' excuse for doing anything immoral, unethical, etc., "cause Trump!"
 
Trump should have been a liberal. Really he would Waller in the far left's totally perverted view of sexuality. Today I read Trump was up to 8000 confirmed lies by fact check.duh. One side as off center as the other. The ultimate race Trump Vs. The Yupee with a large following even through he doesn't answer questions. One won't answer and the other one will lie. Now to dummy down will be Pullman's political Moonie-like followers of both idiots explaining the lies from Trump and why nobody on the right seems concerned about the lies at all and the " crowd that seems to care about everything except older white men. Now if the older white cats are gay, Mexican ,Muslim, or Black then move to the front of the bus. They did like one older white guy, The great John McCain, war hero who crushed Trump with one gesture of the thumb. Take up woodworking and drop politics. No offense extragreen this is not about you career. Which by the way beats mining coal and it does have a future. My wife and I are transforming our home to something special. Our wood floors who have only seen light for 6 months since 1972 are spectacular.Painted Every room a different color. Building shelves out of my favorite wood cedar. Using polyurethane and nothing else after spending a lot of time sanding the cedar. Never knew I had it in me to love wood and working with it. Main theme : turn your tv's off for entertainment except for a Herd or Kentucky or WV ballgame and work with your wife remodeling every room. Such a great improvement. Avoid CNN and Fox like the plaque. Idle hands are the devil's workshop. Thank you and GO HERD
 
Trump should have been a liberal. Really he would Waller in the far left's totally perverted view of sexuality. Today I read Trump was up to 8000 confirmed lies by fact check.duh. One side as off center as the other. The ultimate race Trump Vs. The Yupee with a large following even through he doesn't answer questions. One won't answer and the other one will lie. Now to dummy down will be Pullman's political Moonie-like followers of both idiots explaining the lies from Trump and why nobody on the right seems concerned about the lies at all and the " crowd that seems to care about everything except older white men. Now if the older white cats are gay, Mexican ,Muslim, or Black then move to the front of the bus. They did like one older white guy, The great John McCain, war hero who crushed Trump with one gesture of the thumb. Take up woodworking and drop politics. No offense extragreen this is not about you career. Which by the way beats mining coal and it does have a future. My wife and I are transforming our home to something special. Our wood floors who have only seen light for 6 months since 1972 are spectacular.Painted Every room a different color. Building shelves out of my favorite wood cedar. Using polyurethane and nothing else after spending a lot of time sanding the cedar. Never knew I had it in me to love wood and working with it. Main theme : turn your tv's off for entertainment except for a Herd or Kentucky or WV ballgame and work with your wife remodeling every room. Such a great improvement. Avoid CNN and Fox like the plaque. Idle hands are the devil's workshop. Thank you and GO HERD
Thank you buddy. Is that why you haven't been posting more? Working on wood floors?
 
Thank you buddy. Is that why you haven't been posting more? Working on wood floors?
Sistersville's wife post pictures of his projects on Facebook, so she has him busy it appears. My wife did the same thing to me last year, so I found myself doing several wood working projects. Told her at the end of last year, if I continue doing this work, I'm going to need another sander and some high end tools. I be damned if she didn't get me a bunch of really nice things. So, I ended up breaking one of my fingers so I could at least enjoy the Spring. Took one for the men.
 
calling a cop a yellow back prick doesn't help a situation and sure as hell won't get you out of a ticket, either.


Why? A lot of you white people voted for Trump to flip the bird to the government.
fixed, and . . .

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No, it isn't. Y'all were flipping the bird to another group too....

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EXACTLY! nagging women. nobody wanted a nagging cvnt in the whitehouse except the liberal crybabies, and the ONLY reason they did was to have two firsts back to back.
 
I wouldn't go that far. Try flipping the bird to the person with the gavel at the front of the courtroom and see what the court rules.
The judges have a ton of power in that room. Know of a state trooper that wanted to take his sidearm in federal court. The US Marshal told him to remove it and go lock it up and he could not take it in the court. He said, I am a state trooper and I don't remove my sidearm. He said, in here you do or you don't enter, per the judge. He said, well, I am ordered to be here. He said take it to your car and lock it up. Guess, what state trooper had to removed it. Judges orders. Only ones with guns were Federal Agents. Not even a state trooper in that court.
 
A judge is not an agent of the government.

A judge is more of an agent of the government than a police officer.

If by "agent of the government" you simply are referring to the 4th Amendment, it would make sense due to judges not being involved in illegal search and seizures, but that isn't relevant to this story.
 
A judge is more of an agent of the government than a police officer.

If by "agent of the government" you simply are referring to the 4th Amendment, it would make sense due to judges not being involved in illegal search and seizures, but that isn't relevant to this story.

I am referring to police as armed agents of the government. Or jack-booted thugs, as Republicans called them when another Democrat was POTUS.
 
Forget the law, what kind of ingrate flips a cop off who just cut you a break and saved you real money on your insurance bill? Type of person who just pays the first months bill to get the insurance card then lets it lapse, id bet.
 
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