So why is it our responsibility to fund their ability to fight to the last man?
Good Luck to Ukraine
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It's accurate. And goes to your weak ass attempt at a hypothetical as to "What would you do if we were invaded". Of course we would fight. We wouldn't want anyone in our back door...Just like China was attempting to do in Panama. We threatened the Panamanians and they caved.
Here is a better hypothetical question that is actually relevant to this situation. If China decided to set up a major military instillation with nuke capability in Mexico across the border from Texas and the Mexican President said, "screw the Americans, I am joining a China Alliance"...what do you think the US would do?
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If we have a minerals deal, do you not believe we wouldn't have assets in the region that would protect our interests??? Seriously.
You mean the way the US led a coup to oust a Ukranian President to put a puppet in place that ultimately led to Russia invading them and killing over a million of the Ukranian people???
This is an absolutely insane strategy for how to completely lose your country, when you are a country that has no power at all to save itself. The only way Ukraine is assured to have any of it's country left is to come to a peace negotiation and save what you've got left.
Will we be going to the rest of the world demanding they fit the entire bill by providing us all the money and weapons??
^^^^THE SAME GUTLESS MAGATS THAT WERE GUNG HO WAR WHEN THE U.S. WAS FIGHTING AGAINST AN OUT MATCHED ENEMY. THEY LIKE PICKING ON WEAK COUNTRIES BUT ARE TOO COWARDLY TO STAND UP TO SOMEONE WHO CAN FIGHT BACK.
You're even a coward to answer the question.
"If Russia invades Alaska next, we should just say F it and let them have it? We don’t want anyone dying."
This might be the reason these betas are having a hard time understanding, given that they enjoy this very thing.
Yes. Not one of them will answer this hypothetical question that actually mirrors the Ukraine situation. The sad part is if China moved into our back door (Mexico) these same nut-jobs would be crying “diplomacy instead of bombs” and cons would be demanding the military to take the threat out.
If China moved to Mexico, we would not invade Mexico, kill thousands of Mexican citizens, try to claim Baja California, and find ourselves kicked out of the G7. I say all this under the pretext that Trump isn't president.
Of course, China wouldn't move into Mexico because they have historically been our ally. Of course, they used to be until the last few weeks. Cuba may be a better example.
There is a difference between deciding whether or not to enter a fight versus entering a fight and then suddenly deciding to bail early, give every single one of our allies the proverbial middle finger, and then suck up to a lying, dictator who has consistently broken promises and has relentlessly both criticized and cyber attacked our country.
And we aren't negotiating with Ukraine. We are attempting to strongarm them. Regardless, kissing Putin's ass while we are doing it is embarrassing and unbecoming. So yeah, it does feel like Trump is fixated with Putin.
Ukraine hasn't demanded anything and your criticism of Zelenksy is unfounded. The only reason any of you "found" it in the first place is because Trump fed it to you. Before then, this entire nation agreed that Putin was the aggressor and supported defending Ukraine.
We made assurances to Ukraine and now we are f'ing them over. We are no better than Russia.
If you think China is our “allies”, I don’t know how this discussion can go on. That’s a delusional take. Further, suggesting the U.S. wouldn’t invade Mexico and kill thousands of Mexicans….seriously??? How many civilians were killed the last 30 years in the Middle East by American military action? Jesus Christ, Obama was drone bombing them!
We know you guys don’t want to accept it. But Putin is the power in that part of the world. He is the one you have to negotiate with to end this. You’re not going to “beat” him.
We are not giving the middle finger to our Allies. We are telling them they need to find a peaceful way to end this. That’s what NATO was created to do. Negotiate peace deals and insure peace. Not war.
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You didn’t watch the full 50 minute WH press conference did you? He most certainly was “demanding assurances”. It’s why he is going all over the world now telling our Allies they have to help him. When your entire existence is being funded by someone else, you need to STFU, be respectful, and listen. The sad part is Trump’s agreement was still going to fund Ukraine and zelensky’s emotion got in the way way.
Stop with the faux outrage of screwing someone over. You hypocrites don’t give a shit about that. We made assurances to everyone over our history and we’ve ****ed them all and you’ve ignored it. Whether it’s Israel, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, China, Japan. The list is endless. I could go on endlessly with examples. We **** then all over all the time in the end. Every new president comes in to office and changes foreign policy. We serve our own interests. Always have.
Which is why we are now telling you morons that Putin has to ultimately be at a negotiating table to end this.
Why does the left suddenly care about Ukraine? They didn't for 100 years.
The hell we wouldn't. I guarantee if the Chinese put the equivalent of NATO bases in Mexico, we are going to war and we would steam roll the place.
FYII, in case you missed it we have moved a Stryker Brigade Combat Team to the Mexican border now. That's a heave mech brigade combat team from the 4th ID. We are growing closer to pushing in a white space in Norther Mexico as we speak. What does that mean? We are setting up to go across the border and create a buffer between Mexico and the USA. That a mechanized brigade combat team. Not light infantry. Will we? Who knows but, if you think we wouldn't go after Mexico if China set up a big base or bases on our border you are mistaken. Even a Democrat would do that.
Obvious answer. They don’t. They just hate Trump more.
That is all it is. THere is no other reason. Ukraine has no ability to win that war. IF they want to fight to the last inch and man. THen, by all means have it. We need to cut our ties to it.
If this were a democrat president attempting to negotiate this in the same way…the narrative would be Nobel Peace Prize.
None of us morons said he didn't but kissing his ass and giving him everything he has stolen isn't negotiating. Calling Zelensky a dictator and blaming him for starting the war isn't negotiating. It's being the knee to a tyrant which is why so many believe Trump is in Putin's pocket. Trump talks a big game to tiny little Ukraine but he's a little pansy when talking to Putin. Someone needs to remind him that we are D1.
Nothing under your hypothetical indicates they would or would not be our ally. If they are building military bases in Mexico, that would indicate they are not.
I trust China more than Russia. I know, I'm a moron, an idiot, etc.
Ok… so if they would not be our Allies in that scenario do you not think we wouldn’t wipe them out.
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We along with NATO instigated the war. Just the same as under my hypothetical of Mexico-China- US. Mexico and China would have instigated our incursion into Mexico.
Again, under my hypothetical if we were killing and winning in Mexico should we be expected to give it all back, or would we want our border extended as a means to create a buffer zone between our 2 countries.?
Really? Hate to tell you Putin invaded under other Presidents, not Trump. Ask Putin what happens when you troops **** around with US Forces under Trump. Do you know what happened in 2018 in Syria? The Russians wanted to play games and got obliterated. You probably don't know that do you. Cmon, he invaded under 3 other American Presidents.
