Gun control
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I feel the same way as well. If magic was a option and we could eliminate all weapons I would be in favor of that. But in reality banning things only causes more problems. Black markets foster even more crime.
It’s a shitty situation, and I don’t have a solution for it. But “gun control” just exacerbates the problem.
I wished we live in nirvana. But we don't. Go ahead and outlaw AR's then when some nut job walks in with a 12 gauge what are you going to do? Walks in with a Ruger 10-22 and shoots up a kindergarten class ? Or runs a semi truck through the playground?
Let's be more like Europe? Yehh where two world wars were started. Oh yehh Bosnia and some ethnic cleansing. Mass genocide.
We are not perfect and we have faults. We may not be Norway in the winter olympics, but this is still a hell of a place to live.
Let's be more like Europe? Yehh where two world wars were started. Oh yehh Bosnia and some ethnic cleansing. Mass genocide.
We are not perfect and we have faults. We may not be Norway in the winter olympics, but this is still a hell of a place to live.
Marine do you really think that a kid from wv serving in the army is going to go shoot a bunch of grandpas in Texas cause someone like Obama said so? The point of the 2nd amendment is to keep the govt from taking over under a dictator type.
I know guys around all the marine and army bases that have gun collections and stockpiles of ammo that make mine look tiny. They have caches of weapons all over. Thousands of rounds. This country would make Afghanistan look like a walk in Epcot.
I think I know what Marine is trying to say in a hypothetical of a militia vs the us military then the us military would win.
In reality, a massive insurrection in this country is the worst case scenario for any military including ours.
No, but that wasn’t the fvcking question. Stop changing the damn subject. My point is, and my only point is if the military with its arsenal were to go to battle with an armed militia made up of ordinary citizens it would be a massacre in favor of our military. You can’t compare the firepower. Aside from the fact only 30-40% of the militia owns weapons, and of that how many do you think would shit bricks when a 240 Golf or Mark 19 starts peppering rounds at you faster than you can reload a 9mm?
For gun control here is what i think will happen or attempt to happen. I could see the left getting in control one of these days and implementing a gun buy back. Where they offer some dollars for your guns.
Oh it would be that way partly. But, what would happen is guerrilla warfare, sniping, and pot shots, etc. Remember, the military, cops, etc. have families too. Think about that for a minute. It wouldn't be line up on a battlefield against M1A main tanks, artillery, etc. Look what we lost in Iraq and Afghanistan.
That is why I laugh at gun confiscation. You think some deputy or state cop or city cop is going to go door to door taking guns? Hell no.
But, at the end of the day. We all may have disagreements, but we all love the country. We dont want to kill our friends and brothers.
Again I’m not arguing against any of this, I’m simply arguing pure firepower
Any rifle that doesn't have a wooden buttstock/forestock and/or has a magazine that extends below the receiver. AKA scary looking...
This is layman's terms for a weapon designed to fire multiple rounds per trigger squeeze for the purpose of annihilating more than one living being at a time (purely unnecessary).
AR style rifles are not automatic weapons.
They’re semi, but auto loaded. The only real difference between the AR 15 and the M16 is a selector level switch.
Which does what? It's misleading statements like this that hurt any conversation about guns.
M16 can fire at a burst where the AR15 can not. I carried a 16 for 8 years and fired it on burst about 3 times
And that make a huge f'n difference between an AR style rifle and a M4/16.
Out on the firing range, "please move your selector switch from safe to semi....firerers, scan your lane!"
Really it’s about the only difference there is. That doesn’t make the AR any less lethal
Your statement was misleading. Anyone with little to no knowledge of firearms would use it as a talking point and use you, a former Marine, as the subject matter expert. This is why the gun control argument never gets anywhere.
Doesn't the military recommend that shooters not use full auto? 3 round burst and single shot are preferred right?
Always, burst wastes rounds. And within a fireteam you already have a SAW which is full auto, a 203 grenade launcher the TL carries. So, we never had a use for burst and never used it
No to mention two of his opinions are in disagreement.
We have to get rid of bump stocks! They increase the rate of fire making AR-15s more lethal.
The only difference between an AR-15 and a M16 is rate of fire which doesn't make it any less lethal.
The M4 or M16 has a semi-auto setting and either a 3 rnd burst or full auto, not both. And yes, burst and full auto are not very effective, you really only use them against area targets, if that.
I don’t think they should be legal. I’m against these type weapons to begin with being legal, and any equipment that enables them to be more potent than they already are. If these guns are going to remain legal the only thing that should seperate shooter from shooter is their own ability to pull the trigger, wait on recoil, and maintain target consistency
So you think increased rate of fire does make weapons more "potent." Which disagrees with your opinion that burst fire doesn't make a M16 more lethal than an AR-15. Thanks for confirming my post
I don't think that's what he said. You are twisting his words to fit your own narrative.
How have I twisted his words?
What else can be taken from his statements that burst fire doesn't make the m16 more lethal and that a bump stock is equipment that makes a weapon more potent...?
The M16 isn’t available for public use so it’s a moot point. And yes increased rate of fire does it make it more potent. My statement of the only real difference is burst and auto is still true.
If you remove the selector level switch off an M16 You have an AR 15 essentiallly. Would you be in favor of selling M16’s to the general public?
I am fully aware that's virtually the only difference. You're the one who said that difference doesn't make the AR any less lethal
It doesn’t, like I’ve said it’s essentially the same weapon minus the 3 round burst, which as I and most former servicemen have stated was rarely if ever used. The specs are essentially the same, the damage to flesh it causes still the same, the recoil the same.
Would you allow M16’s to be sold to the public minus the Burst feature?
Maybe this should change your mind, imagine this was your child. This why I’m so totally against these weapons being sold. The damage caused by these weapons far exceed anything you’ve seen before, I have and it’s not a pretty sight.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...land-should-change-the-debate-on-guns/553937/
