I am sorry, damn it, I can't take it anymore.

[i am herdman]

This stubborn ass we have in the White House needs to move out of the way and let somebody deal with this. All he can do is come out with gun control after this act of terror.

Anyway, enough of that fool. He will be gone in a little of over a year.

I just saw a clip on these people killed and their families. A father of 6. A mother. A dad. A cousin of a pro football player. A woman who escaped terror in Iraq, became a citizen, and was killed in our nation trying to escape this shi*.

We have to do something. And you buried head in the sand liberals can kiss my ass as well. There is a problem and we need to deal with it. Running out talking about the 2nd Amendment right now is not going to do it. Apologizing for everything America does is not going to solve it. Blaming Bush isn't going to solve it.

I am tired of the f'ing excuse we can't do anything about it. F You, we can and we should and I hope we will. It won't be pretty but somebody needs to do something. We look like weak kneed pansy asses.

We might not like war, who does. But, apparently this war likes us.

This is America damn it do something. I can't believe the damn freakin POTUS can't come to grips with this shit. I can't believe he doesn't lock his joinst chiefs of staff, nsa leader, CIA, and FBI heads and doesn't say damn it bring me scalps and I mean now and if you can't do it I will find somebody that will. He should make water boarding look like a day at the water park. Be a leader you arrogant ignorant eggheaded academic muslim loving stubborn ass. Your damn political correctness is not working. Take out these ISIS ass bags oil, money, transportation, ability to trade. Burn their capital to the ground. Do your job!

 

[i am herdman]

And for all the good muslims out there. F you too. Prove it. Clean your own house up. Grow a set of nuts and take care of it. Join the modern world.

 

[HerdFan76]

Rack up.

 

[Herd Fever]

And let's ask the question again, how was they able to buy so many guns and ammunition legally without any red flags popping up.

I can't even buy 2 boxes of Sudafed with showing ID

 

[ThunderCat98]

And let's ask the question again, how was they able to buy so many guns and ammunition legally without any red flags popping up.

I can't even buy 2 boxes of Sudafed with showing ID

Question - what laws would have prevented them from acquiring any of their materials they used?

 

[i am herdman]

And let's ask the question again, how was they able to buy so many guns and ammunition legally without any red flags popping up.

I can't even buy 2 boxes of Sudafed with showing ID

Straw man puchases for some of the guns. That means someone purchased it in their name with intent to give it to someone else. Federal law violation.

The long arms were illegal in California.

Ammunition can't be fired without a gun.

 

[19MU88]

Herdman don't ruin it for fever. He's swallowing liberal propaganda by the gallons

 

[CockyHerd]

This stubborn ass we have in the White House needs to move out of the way and let somebody deal with this. All he can do is come out with gun control after this act of terror.

Anyway, enough of that fool. He will be gone in a little of over a year.

I just saw a clip on these people killed and their families. A father of 6. A mother. A dad. A cousin of a pro football player. A woman who escaped terror in Iraq, became a citizen, and was killed in our nation trying to escape this shi*.

We have to do something. And you buried head in the sand liberals can kiss my ass as well. There is a problem and we need to deal with it. Running out talking about the 2nd Amendment right now is not going to do it. Apologizing for everything America does is not going to solve it. Blaming Bush isn't going to solve it.

I am tired of the f'ing excuse we can't do anything about it. F You, we can and we should and I hope we will. It won't be pretty but somebody needs to do something. We look like weak kneed pansy asses.

We might not like war, who does. But, apparently this war likes us.

This is America damn it do something. I can't believe the damn freakin POTUS can't come to grips with this shit. I can't believe he doesn't lock his joinst chiefs of staff, nsa leader, CIA, and FBI heads and doesn't say damn it bring me scalps and I mean now and if you can't do it I will find somebody that will. He should make water boarding look like a day at the water park. Be a leader you arrogant ignorant eggheaded academic muslim loving stubborn ass. Your damn political correctness is not working. Take out these ISIS ass bags oil, money, transportation, ability to trade. Burn their capital to the ground. Do your job!

Do you feel the same way when you see the pictures of the 20 First & Second Graders from Newtown? How about the 30 victims from Va Tech? Aurora? Columbine? Oregon?

 

[raleighherdfan]

Do you feel the same way when you see the pictures of the 20 First & Second Graders from Newtown? How about the 30 victims from Va Tech? Aurora? Columbine? Oregon?

We need to turn the joint chiefs of staff, CIA, et al loose on fixing high school kids, college kids, and other mentally ill people???

 

[i am herdman]

Do you feel the same way when you see the pictures of the 20 First & Second Graders from Newtown? How about the 30 victims from Va Tech? Aurora? Columbine? Oregon?

I don't think we need to unleash the military on Connecticut or Virginia.

 

[dherd]

HERDMAN - YOUR IDEA OF "DEALING WITH IT" IS EXACTLY HOW WE HAVE THE
PROBLEMS WE HAVE. YOU WANTED TO INVADE IRAQ WHEN EVERYONE WAS
TELLING YOU CONS BUSH WAS LYING ABOUT WMD'S. WE TOLD YOU IT WOULD
ONLY CREATE A BIGGER PROBLEM - IT DID.

I REMEMBER A TALKING HEAD ON TV SAYING THAT GOING INTO IRAQ WOULD BE
LIKE THROWING A ROCK INTO A MUD PUDDLE - THE MUD WOULD SPLATTER ALL
OVER THE PLACE - IT HAS.

EVEN AFTER YOU KNOW THAT BIN LADEN AND THESE RAG HEAD MURDERERS WANT
NOTHING MORE THAN U.S. TROOPS FIGHTING IN THE MIDDLE EAST - TO INCREASE THEIR
RECRUITMENT AND DE STABILIZE FRIENDLY GOVTS - YOU CONS STILL WANT TO GO
BUSTING IN ALL OVER AGAIN.

YOU ARE ALL TO HARD HEADED TO LEARN FROM YOUR OWN MISTAKES.

THANK GOD WE HAVE SOMEONE IN CHARGE NOW WHO THINKS AHEAD AND IS
WISE ENOUGH TO IGNORE YOU CONS STUPIDITY.

 

[herdfan429]

I seem to recall democrats approving of the Iraq invasion

 

[ThunderCat98]

Yeah. I mean, we should probably just ignore it and they'll all get bored and go home.

 

[i am herdman]

HERDMAN - YOUR IDEA OF "DEALING WITH IT" IS EXACTLY HOW WE HAVE THE
PROBLEMS WE HAVE. YOU WANTED TO INVADE IRAQ WHEN EVERYONE WAS
TELLING YOU CONS BUSH WAS LYING ABOUT WMD'S. WE TOLD YOU IT WOULD
ONLY CREATE A BIGGER PROBLEM - IT DID.

I REMEMBER A TALKING HEAD ON TV SAYING THAT GOING INTO IRAQ WOULD BE
LIKE THROWING A ROCK INTO A MUD PUDDLE - THE MUD WOULD SPLATTER ALL
OVER THE PLACE - IT HAS.

EVEN AFTER YOU KNOW THAT BIN LADEN AND THESE RAG HEAD MURDERERS WANT
NOTHING MORE THAN U.S. TROOPS FIGHTING IN THE MIDDLE EAST - TO INCREASE THEIR
RECRUITMENT AND DE STABILIZE FRIENDLY GOVTS - YOU CONS STILL WANT TO GO
BUSTING IN ALL OVER AGAIN.

YOU ARE ALL TO HARD HEADED TO LEARN FROM YOUR OWN MISTAKES.

THANK GOD WE HAVE SOMEONE IN CHARGE NOW WHO THINKS AHEAD AND IS
WISE ENOUGH TO IGNORE YOU CONS STUPIDITY.

Obama is a total Pussy!

 

[dherd]

HERDMAN YOU HAVE A LOT TO LEARN ABOUT PUSSY.

NY TIMES:

Obituary | Osama bin Laden, 1957-2011

Bin Laden issued his “Declaration of War Against the Americans Who Occupy the Land of the Two Holy Mosques.”

“Muslims burn with anger at America,” it read. The presence of American forces in the Persian Gulf states “will provoke the people of the country and induces aggression on their religion, feelings, and prides and pushes them to take up armed struggle against the invaders occupying the land.”

The imbalance of power between American forces and Muslim forces demanded a new kind of fighting, he wrote, “in other words, to initiate a guerrilla war, where sons of the nation, not the military forces, take part in it.”

 

[ohio herd]

HERDMAN YOU HAVE A LOT TO LEARN ABOUT PUSSY.

NY TIMES:

Obituary | Osama bin Laden, 1957-2011

Bin Laden issued his “Declaration of War Against the Americans Who Occupy the Land of the Two Holy Mosques.”

“Muslims burn with anger at America,” it read. The presence of American forces in the Persian Gulf states “will provoke the people of the country and induces aggression on their religion, feelings, and prides and pushes them to take up armed struggle against the invaders occupying the land.”

The imbalance of power between American forces and Muslim forces demanded a new kind of fighting, he wrote, “in other words, to initiate a guerrilla war, where sons of the nation, not the military forces, take part in it.”

those folks have hated the West for over a 1000 years. They did not start hating us a few years ago.

 

[i am herdman]

Wow, great we got OBL. Too bad ISIS is more powerful and has grabbed massive amounts of land. And, now are in Libya as well.

Total Pussy.

 

[raleighherdfan]

I think some are seeing why Bush didn't kill Osama Bin Laden immediately following our takeover of Iraq. (I actually believe the US knew exactly where Osama was held up for a very long time prior to his execution). Cutting the head off the snake didn't create an end to al quede or jihadist as Obummer suggested. Real experts knew this. the terrorist belief that Osama was still around and at some level of control kept other terrorists based jihadist in check while our military was allowed to work across various missions of stabilizing a territory by taking out cells and collecting Intel.

Not only did Osama's death (conveniently executed by Obummer for poll number improvement) usher in a reason for expanded multi terrorist cells/leadership throughout the Middle East, our additional foreign policy blunders under Obummer/Hillary et al which allowed and celebrated the collapse of Egypt and Libya (Arab Spring) created yet additional control/leadership vacuums that allowed jihadist leadership to take over and spread uncontrolled. Summarily our cut and run policy of removing stability forces in Iraq was like dumping additional gasoline on smoldering campfire remnants. It essentially ignited the forest fire we now face and must fight.

This current President is a complete foreign policy failure. His desire for political populism measured by polls over true leadership has created a future $$$ cost to America that will make the Bush Iraq invasion look like Jimmy Carter peanuts. One of the most inept leaders I've ever watched.

 

[ThunderCat98]

HERDMAN YOU HAVE A LOT TO LEARN ABOUT PUSSY.

NY TIMES:

Obituary | Osama bin Laden, 1957-2011

Bin Laden issued his “Declaration of War Against the Americans Who Occupy the Land of the Two Holy Mosques.”

“Muslims burn with anger at America,” it read. The presence of American forces in the Persian Gulf states “will provoke the people of the country and induces aggression on their religion, feelings, and prides and pushes them to take up armed struggle against the invaders occupying the land.”

The imbalance of power between American forces and Muslim forces demanded a new kind of fighting, he wrote, “in other words, to initiate a guerrilla war, where sons of the nation, not the military forces, take part in it.”

The notion that our own foreign policy blunders led to the creation of the Islamists is naive and ignorant. The fundamental problem is these people hate the west. They have always hated the west, and it has nothing to do with our treatment of, or actions towards, them.

It has everything to do with the fact that they are zealots that are beholden to a religion that commands them to hate everyone that is not them, and even kill nonbelievers.

They hate us because we accept Christians, Jews, atheists, Buddhists, etc. They hate us because we accept straight, gay, bisexual, pansexual, or whatever. They hate us because we eat bacon and drink beer. They hate us because we have an economic system based on free choice. There is nothing we can do, or have done in the past (with the possible exception of our role in creating Israel following wwII) that will make them hate us more or less.

In short, they hate us because we aren't Muslim. There is no way to "fix" that.

 

[CockyHerd]

I think some are seeing why Bush didn't kill Osama Bin Laden immediately following our takeover of Iraq.

What does the "takeover" of Iraq and killing of OBL have to do with each other? Did you mean Afghanistan?

 

[raleighherdfan]

What does the "takeover" of Iraq and killing of OBL have to do with each other? Did you mean Afghanistan?

I was describing a "Sequence of events". We went into Iraq years before OBL was killed. I never claimed they had anything specifically to do with the other initially. Iraq was essentially the "front line" establishment of a longer war on terror which involved us moving missions farther into the middle east region like Afghanistan.

 

[i am herdman]

I was describing a "Sequence of events". We went into Iraq years before OBL was killed. I never claimed they had anything specifically to do with the other initially. Iraq was essentially the "front line" establishment of a longer war on terror which involved us moving missions farther into the middle east region like Afghanistan.

I have said that all along and got blasted for a decade over it. that is why(whether anyone agrees or not) we went into Iraq. Not saying it was right or wrong. Just saying why we went.

Prepare of two or three of these guys to go apeshi*.

 

[dherd]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...97676c-cc32-11e4-8730-4f473416e759_story.html


The raw cruelty of Hussein’s Baathist regime, the disbandment of the Iraqi army after the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, the subsequent insurgency and the marginalization of Sunni Iraqis by the Shiite-dominated government all are intertwined with the Islamic State’s ascent, said Hassan Hassan, a Dubai-based analyst and co-author of the book “ISIS: Inside the Army of Terror.”

“A lot of people think of the Islamic State as a terrorist group, and it’s not useful,” Hassan said. “It is a terrorist group, but it is more than that. It is a homegrown Iraqi insurgency, and it is organic to Iraq.”

The de-Baathification law promulgated by L. Paul Bremer, Iraq’s American ruler in 2003, has long been identified as one of the contributors to the original insurgency. At a stroke, 400,000 members of the defeated Iraqi army were barred from government employment, denied pensions — and also allowed to keep their guns.

“The crisis of ISIS didn’t happen by chance,” Dulaimi said in an interview in Baghdad, using an acronym for the Islamic State. “It was the result of an accumulation of problems created by the Americans and the [Iraqi] government.”


He cited the case of a close friend, a former intelligence officer in Baghdad who was fired in 2003 and struggled for many years to make a living. He now serves as the Islamic State’s wali, or leader, in the Anbar town of Hit, Dulaimi said.


“I last saw him in 2009. He complained that he was very poor. He is an old friend, so I gave him some money,” he recalled. “He was fixable. If someone had given him a job and a salary, he wouldn’t have joined the Islamic State.

“There are hundreds, thousands like him,” he added. “The people in charge of military operations in the Islamic State were the best officers in the former Iraqi army, and that is why the Islamic State beats us in intelligence and on the battlefield.”


AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY EXPECTS ANYONE TO LISTEN TO THEM NOW. WE'D HAVE TO BE INSANE.

 

[raleighherdfan]

I have said that all along and got blasted for a decade over it. that is why(whether anyone agrees or not) we went into Iraq. Not saying it was right or wrong. Just saying why we went.

Prepare of two or three of these guys to go apeshi*.

I've always believed this. Logistically speaking it would have been virtually impossible to have gone directly to Afghanistan to fight a larger war on terror. Saddam just happened to be the moron that rattled his saber one too many times, over played his hand on the world stage. He was easy to remove.

Lets also remember most Dems also agreed with this strategy and made endless claims of the need to remove Saddam, until things became more challenging. Then they did, what they know how to do best. Fed the loser mentalities, took the easy way out..quit, cut and run.

 

[raleighherdfan]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...97676c-cc32-11e4-8730-4f473416e759_story.html


The raw cruelty of Hussein’s Baathist regime, the disbandment of the Iraqi army after the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, the subsequent insurgency and the marginalization of Sunni Iraqis by the Shiite-dominated government all are intertwined with the Islamic State’s ascent, said Hassan Hassan, a Dubai-based analyst and co-author of the book “ISIS: Inside the Army of Terror.”

“A lot of people think of the Islamic State as a terrorist group, and it’s not useful,” Hassan said. “It is a terrorist group, but it is more than that. It is a homegrown Iraqi insurgency, and it is organic to Iraq.”

The de-Baathification law promulgated by L. Paul Bremer, Iraq’s American ruler in 2003, has long been identified as one of the contributors to the original insurgency. At a stroke, 400,000 members of the defeated Iraqi army were barred from government employment, denied pensions — and also allowed to keep their guns.

“The crisis of ISIS didn’t happen by chance,” Dulaimi said in an interview in Baghdad, using an acronym for the Islamic State. “It was the result of an accumulation of problems created by the Americans and the [Iraqi] government.”


He cited the case of a close friend, a former intelligence officer in Baghdad who was fired in 2003 and struggled for many years to make a living. He now serves as the Islamic State’s wali, or leader, in the Anbar town of Hit, Dulaimi said.


“I last saw him in 2009. He complained that he was very poor. He is an old friend, so I gave him some money,” he recalled. “He was fixable. If someone had given him a job and a salary, he wouldn’t have joined the Islamic State.

“There are hundreds, thousands like him,” he added. “The people in charge of military operations in the Islamic State were the best officers in the former Iraqi army, and that is why the Islamic State beats us in intelligence and on the battlefield.”


AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY EXPECTS ANYONE TO LISTEN TO THEM NOW. WE'D HAVE TO BE INSANE.

At what point in history has a "new" country ever been (re)created in just a couple of years that resulted in all being prosperous???? Insanity is a liberal suggesting such an occurrence or proof that a country that insured multiple generations of impoverished people before we arrived, would somehow be made "rich" immediately following our arrival is ignorance

This is a perfect case for (liberal) nanny state outcomes and their long term failures. This is what happens to the human spirit after long histories of governments/ religions limiting personal freedoms and opportunities. Generational dependency and fear of personal opportunities. This poor gentleman didn't understand the potential this new potential freedom afforded him long term. He couldn't release the dogmas of religious doctrines and dictators past and work to create his own future. He simply wanted someone to "give him something".

 

[i am herdman]

I've always believed this. Logistically speaking it would have been virtually impossible to have gone directly to Afghanistan to fight a larger war on terror. Saddam just happened to be the moron that rattled his saber one too many times, over played his hand on the world stage. He was easy to remove.

Lets also remember most Dems also agreed with this strategy and made endless claims of the need to remove Saddam, until things became more challenging. Then they did, what they know how to do best. Fed the loser mentalities, took the easy way out..quit, cut and run.

The Dems were for it and would have shared in the glory if it would have gone completely well(no war does by the way). Then, when things got tough, being the chicken shits many of them are, they became anti war for the war they voted for and endorsed.

 

[CockyHerd]

Obama is a foreign policy train wreck but conspiracy theories and revisionist history do not support your case.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Obama is a foreign policy train wreck but conspiracy theories and revisionist history do not support your case.

What conspiracy theory or revisionist history? Actual war history, military strategy, and game theory (used extensively in military strategy) point to all these scenarios.

 

[sistersville]

he is getting back whitey for slavery and has a love for our enemy. Why dont good muslims let us know about the bad eggs.Maybe deep down they feel the same way. suckers.

 

[sistersville]

yep