Well heck, that makes everything better!!
If Donnan or Pruett were the coach we would have 6 or 7 CUSA Titles
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Well heck, that makes everything better!!
I didn’t say it made anything better. You’re the one who said making no money made it even worse... We made lots of money getting our ass kicked.
1) you're missing the point of this conversation and arguing a detail perhaps because you're angry our football program is in the shitter
2) okay, fine, we made money. Banker is well aware of that, but again, he was really just making a point. We did not make the amount we could getting our ass kicked being a homecoming team for some big program like tOSU.
Well, with inflation it would be more like $40-$45 in today's money, but....wait....you don't really think they worked, did you?
Ok so you're blaming Hamrick for stuff he had absolutely no control over (moving to a Texas based conference) years before he got here?
You're then literally passing over aspects of an AD (facilities and fundraising) that are absolutely what can sell a program.
Had your drivel about Hamrick being reluctant to hiring Dan had any merit, I'm pretty sure Mike D'Antoni wouldn't have wasted his time being co-chair to the Vision Campaign.
You basically give Hamrick too much power in one sentence and then not enough in another.
He's either this magical wizard who foresaw the future of C-USA and did nothing to help MU years before he was hired...
Or he's a failure for only acquiring two major properties that can bolster MU's athletic and economic footprint in a city with barely the latter...after 30 years of its citizens being falsely lied to about having it be done already.
This is the BS I'm talking about when it comes to the fans. For god's sake pick a side and stick with it.
Mediocrity and win shit bowl games, extend contract. Got it.
Then their best is not good enough.
Thank God our standard includes letting known heroin dealers play, or we would not have beat Purdue.
No, nor do I care what they did. I could make Doc the highest paid coach between Saban and Dabo and he would be no better. He could pay his players $45 to stare at the wall and I doubt we are going to be any better. Put Doc in that same circustance and he is not going to do what Donnan and Pruett did. By the way, my calculated guess is, that stuff was going on way before Pruett.
As to “shit bowl games”. That is the system. ONE team, and it has been done from the AAC, MAC, and MWC, and will eventually also be done from CUSA and the SBC, goes to an name bowl and EVERY OTHER TEAM goes to some “shit bowl”. That is the system. In the BP era, the system for a mid-major was WIN the MAC or stay home. And, even among the true majors, many teams won 8 or even 9 games, and stayed home. In the era before that, in the MAC, the system was to win the MAC to play a make believe bowl game that was 2 weeks before any other and was, 9 times out of 10, just another home game for Fresno State, and which had an NCAA waiver to pay a third of the minimum pay out. Or stay home.
Every bowl game MU has been to is, to your oh so sensitive tastes a “shit bowl game”. BP’s were, the one MS one was, Doc’s are, and, save for a once in a lifetime special year, so will every coach we every will have’s be.
And since the rest of you post is just “9-3 is not acceptable” ho-ha, ask WVU, Nebraska, Florida State, Virginia Tech, or the many others who have forced out or fired winners how it turned out.
Every bowl game MU has been to is, to your oh so sensitive tastes a “shit bowl game”. BP’s were, the one MS one was, Doc’s are, and, save for a once in a lifetime special year, so will every coach we every will have’s be.
And since the rest of you post is just “9-3 is not acceptable” ho-ha, ask WVU, Nebraska, Florida State, Virginia Tech, or the many others who have forced out or fired winners how it turned out.
Doc is a .600 coach overall. He is a.625 coach in the watered down version of CUSA. He has some of the worst home losses in the history of Joan C Edwards Stadium. He has exactly one conference championship.
That is not setting the trail on fire.
Mike has done a great job on most fronts. The only issue I have with him is some of his coaching hires and his lack of pressure on the football program to perform at a higher level. He's a football guy, that's no secret.
He is not fan base friendly from what I have seen and heard. To those in the inner circle, I'm sure he is cool. But to those who aren't in that intimate circle, he's not all warm and fuzzy to the masses.
Having Lance West and KO as back to back AD's is killer. Mike had some issues to fix for sure.
He is not fan base friendly from what I have seen and heard. To those in the inner circle, I'm sure he is cool. But to those who aren't in that intimate circle, he's not all warm and fuzzy to the masses.
Having Lance West and KO as back to back AD's is killer. Mike had some issues to fix for sure.
………………...and I will only add that to get to a new "direction", it takes the AD making the decision and MH has fired a couple as far as I know....Fired Logan @ ECU..The new hire (I think Mike left for Vegas) was a terrible hire, and lasted all of one season......
So, which is more difficult? Finding a way to convince Jerry Gilbert that we need a new AD, firing Mike, forming a search committee, searching for some young asst AD somewhere who will work for peanuts, offer the job, he gets cold feet at the last minute, offering the 1st loser the job, he/she is announced as the new direction, his/her 1st job? Fire the HC and buy out his contract, rinse & repeat? OR, getting MH to make the difficult decision to buy out Doc's contract and refer to option 1 to find a young, up & comer?
So, which is more difficult? Finding a way to convince Jerry Gilbert that we need a new AD, firing Mike, forming a search committee, searching for some young asst AD somewhere who will work for peanuts, offer the job, he gets cold feet at the last minute, offering the 1st loser the job, he/she is announced as the new direction, his/her 1st job? Fire the HC and buy out his contract, rinse & repeat? OR, getting MH to make the difficult decision to buy out Doc's contract and refer to option 1 to find a young, up & comer?
No, I'm blaming him for being content in letting us languish in a Texas based conference.
Hamrick wanted to hire Mike, not Dan. Mike pushed Hamrick to hire Dan, he did and Mike helped with the vision campaign. Fairly easy to follow that quid pro quo.
Your third paragraph is just a mess because you inferred things that didn't exist in my post, see comment one above. I never said Hamrick put us in the conference.
The acquisition of the property for the ball field is a result of the City, specifically Mayor Williams, working to make it happen. Yes, Hamrick was involved, but he was not the key player. Just like President Gilbert was involved.
You need to learn to read objectively what is written instead of letting the message trigger you into adding false narrative.
Bottom line we do not have the money to buy out Doc, finance a new baseball stadium and basketball practice facility. Marshall donor pockets are only so deep and that pool of people is very shallow. So as a fan base....you want a new football coach or the facility improvements? Can’t have everything. Choose. The State is not paying for it.
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it started under Donnan. However, I was told when I was a student in the early 80's by a football player that "envelopes with money" would be found under the door of some of the basketball players
That's a hell of a long reply, and a waste of time, just for forgetting to read the beginning of my first sentence. I'd take a winning record against winning teams, a couple more championships, and shit bowls. I bet all of us would. But you admitting that,and focusing on that part, would take admitting Doc = mediocrity.
Illegal stuff goes on at 90% of P5 schools (I say 90% just in case there happens to be one or two where is doesn't, but it's probably 100%), and at least 60% of G5 schools. That number is lower simply because people don't care as much and there are less well heeled boosters. Everybody cheats, so we didn't win because we were cheating, we were just on more equal footing.
Banker, one more thing: IF you’re looking for a new AD who possesses all the innate skills to recruit top-shelf coaching talent, exponentially increase revenue, build new facilities because it’s Tuesday, stay close to and leverage famous alums for extra $$ during special fundraising campaigns and implement an extremely thorough system to avoid any actions that would violate NC2A rules, then stop looking. Those AD’s work for about 20 schools that have so much more than MU it’s like an inch worm vs a python. Not happening, ever. So, pick your poison.
Hamrick is doing a yeoman’s job with what’s available.
of course I never made that claim. I was only responding to the post question when it began at Marshall
When I worked for Fisher Healthcare. We had a former offensive lineman from Arkansas in our region. He would tell stories of a booster getting them summer jobs. They would appoint one football player to go clock in in the morning. In the afternoon, another player would go clock out for all of them. They never worked a minute yet were paid for 40 hours each week. True story.
Y’all are over analyzing the coaching - docs a very good coach and also very old school. It’s not easy manage a group of entitled teenagers. Football is not complicated. Leadership, solid interior lineman and very good QB solves a lot of ills. I just don’t think IG is that good and not the guy. If they had better QB play they would have beat Boise. And if we players more consistently against Cincinnati - it wouldn’t have been a blowout. I’m not saying we could have won that game - but it should have been more competitive.
"You're delusional!"
<I hope he doesn't ask how he's delusional because then I'd have to be more like yags than my ability can allow>
How is what I said delusional?
More than that.
Minus Stanford and the service academies, I'd say everyone else has cheated at some point.
No, Doc is not a very good coach. Doc is a relic that spent way too much time under Don Nehlen who also never did a creative thing in his career. If we lose to Middle Saturday we may not even reach bowl eligibility this year. I think there are underlying issues with the team that have nothing to do with talent.
Good coaches, in their 10th season, have an established culture and an established identity. We have neither.
So Mike initially wanted to hire a someone else because if you want to hire a head coach, might as well hire an NBA coach.
Its one thing for Hamrick to not have had Dan on his radar but your wording implied Hamrick not only didn't want to hire Dan, but wasn't entertaining the possibility of doing it.
Williams is working with Hamrick and MU. I'll credit Hamrick for being open to working with the city (the same city who seemed to believe MU needed Huntington when it's the other way around) and Williams for doing so.
Hamrick could have very easily done nothing to get MU to acquire the property. I can't imagine what would have NOT happened had Marcum been around still.
Also Huntington bought the land and sold it to MU. Not sure a less active AD would have been able to do so.
Lets rewind when the last exodus happened.
Roughly 2013 was when the first bulk of the CUSA left.
Marshall literally had nothing to offer. Doc was hired 3 years prior and while he got a bowl win in 2012, MU wasn't exactly a machine and had no consistency.
Those who left, had something to offer...facilities, championships, money, markets, etc.
Now, I think Hamrick and Huntington being on the same page, with MU being really elevated in terms of academics, prestige, and research, and Williams fighting a battle for economic growth (and having some successes), they (I believe) are gonna have some of the facilities done and others on their way to being completed.
Hamrick wants the field done by 2021's season. Williams has been pretty swift in acquiring properties nearby Huntington and already has propositions, renderings for economic growth, and money for EPA evaluation and cleanup as well as potential buyers of said land.
This has all happened in less than a year.
Why?
For now, the AAC going to apply for getting exemption to not have a title game (or some damn thing) but if there's another conference shake up, Hamrick and MU will have something to actually pitch to someone.
IF thats the case, then it is evident Hamrick wanted MU to get out of CUSA but have some stuff to bring with them.
My problem with Doc is he has a gameplan that works about 90% of the time...it doesn't require many adjustments either.
But thats it. MU puts a ton into that gameplan. There doesn't seem to be another one...and if we somehow get matched up wrong or the opponent has a plan that happens to be counter to ours?
Its forcing a square peg into a round hole for MU and causes major problems.
Fortunately, MU has more depth than most and is just better overall...and that bails them out.
As far as fan friendly, well, thats debatable if you really want that in a coach or not.
Mike Leach who (in my opinion and I am certainly not alone) is one of the most entertaining coaches out there and Pullman loves him.
Love him so much nobody seems to be asking him how he managed to give up 50 pts in 19 mins while sitting on a 32 pt lead to a then 0-3 UCLA Bruins team...IN PULLMAN, WA.
Utah beat them down the next week 38-13.
Suddenly the analysis of Pac-12 mascots isn't so cute anymore (I believe that was prior to the UCLA game) during your pre-game presser.
Until they did ask and he didn't get cute calling his players (during a presser) 'fat, dumb, happy, and entitled.'
People on here may say, "Well thats good for him to be tough and have a no nonsense attitude!"
But if that were Doc, people on here would say (and have often said), "Thats on the coach, he's supposed to prepare the team to win. When players play terrible, it all goes back to the head coach."
It all comes back to Doc. He is the boss, has the final say so. If he doesn't think the coaches are doing the job, let them go and hire someone else. If IG isn't going to cut it, have some balls - bench him and play AT. Doc is the head guy, the corp. president. It falls on him. He signs off on who we sign and who we give schollies to.
And IF my aunt had gonads, she'd be my uncle.
And I couldn't disagree with you more. No telling the trouble and misfortunes the program would have drifted into had Donnan or Pruett remained at the helm. I saw Coach Pruett before the game Saturday - he's in no shape to coach football and probably hasn't been for several years.
God put eyes in the front of our head for a reason - a lot of the old guard Herd fans have eyes in the back of their heads always looking back and wishing for 1992, 1995, etc.! Time to move on, boys!
And I couldn't disagree with you more. No telling the trouble and misfortunes the program would have drifted into had Donnan or Pruett remained at the helm. I saw Coach Pruett before the game Saturday - he's in no shape to coach football and probably hasn't been for several years.
God put eyes in the front of our head for a reason - a lot of the old guard Herd fans have eyes in the back of their heads always looking back and wishing for 1992, 1995, etc.! Time to move on, boys!
There is a difference between violating a rule and knowingly cheating to gain an advantage. Probably every school has a number of violations every year and they are reported and cleaned up. I believe few schools have a program of cheating set up, much less everybody.
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