So, you are for keeping illegals out of our country?
You are a racist. These people trying to pass are just wanting to come and live the American dream, like your ancestors did. They are all good people with valuable skills. Every. Single. One.
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So, you are for keeping illegals out of our country?
You are a racist. These people trying to pass are just wanting to come and live the American dream, like your ancestors did. They are all good people with valuable skills. Every. Single. One.
No...I’m for honesty and not hysteria and a whipped up “national emergency” that will cost the tax payers billions for something that doesn’t work.
Lol. You obviously didn’t read the study. From the first link...
“In a large-scale collaboration by four universities, led by Robert Adelman, a sociologist at the State University of New York at Buffalo, researchers compared immigration rates with crime rates for 200 metropolitan areas over the last several decades. The selected areas included huge urban hubs like New York and smaller manufacturing centers less than a hundredth that size, like Muncie, Ind., and were dispersed geographically across the country.”
No, I'm simply of the opinion that these people care more about their own husband/father/son being murdered by an illegal than any statistic someone may cite them. But who am I?
If we had stopped this illegal from coming here, like we are supposed to, that man would still be alive. Period. And, one crime committed by one illegal is one too many. I don't care what percentage of overall crimes they commit.
Can you give link to the crime you're referencing? I'd like to read about it.
Honest question. Have you ever seen a bunch of immigrants in WV? Do you know what it does to wages? School systems? Medical care and court systems?
Then I about have to believe you're against ALL immigration, legal and illegal. Because legal immigrants kill people also.
So, as I heard, the former border patrol chief(served under Obama by the way) say so, that means we should do nothing about illegal immigration?
Name the poster(s) on this board who have admitted we should do nothing about illegal immigration.
I was asking a question because I hear no solutions other than rifle saying put a man standing out in the desert every .3 miles along the border. That's not even a serious solution. Hire 10,000 border agents. That's probably near double size of the 82nd airborne division and near the size of a full infantry division. For reference, the US Army has 10 divisions. And, who the hell would really think you can manpower every .3 miles 24 hours a day and then what are they going to do when 50 or 100 people run across the border. The cost of a division of men is astronomical and not even the army could pull off putting guards every .3 miles 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I hope that was a joke .
Are you admitting that your Lord Cheetos doesn't have the mental ability to hire and place border patrol agents, but at the same time is the Commander in Chief of all armed forces?
What? I am saying putting border patrol agents every .3 miles is a joke and insane. Nobody would do that. What are they going to do sit out there in lawn chairs?
No, what he clearly stated was that Rifle's idea was stupid, and wouldn't work. Why are you against securing the southern border?
No, it's not meant as a joke by me. It could be done every 380 yards. If one of the agents detects an invading army of illegal immigrants, there could be 9 border agents able to help him/her within 5 minutes.
Clearly stating something doesn't mean it's right, and explain why it wouldn't work.
Increased technology using drones and satellites in the isolated areas with increase in personnel as well as technology at legal ports of entry where the majority of immigrants and illegal drugs are actually entering the country. The statement that those who oppose the wall are for open borders is a false statement. This is what Pelosi said in her follow up to the president...
"We all agree that we need to secure our borders, while honoring our values. We can build the infrastructure and roads at our ports of entry; we can install new technology to scan cars and trucks for drugs coming into our nation; we can hire the personnel we need to facilitate trade and immigration at the border; and we can fund more innovation to detect unauthorized crossings."
By your own admission, placing people along the border won't work (above highlighted response). So in absence of human surveillance you're suggesting a wall? Do you really believe that people aren't going to find their way over, under, or through it? Or better yet, keep doing what the overwhelming majority are doing now...coming in through legal ports of entry.
drones are not going to stop people. they can give a visual. Somebody or something still has to stop them
drones are one technology, but not a barrier.
nice try!
If this is truly a "national emergency" and a plethora of drugs are being smuggled across at places other than checkpoints/guarded border crossings, why are you against stopping those things?
We've seen pictures of the fence. Anyone can easily pass large quantities THROUGH the fence- they don't even have to go over it. Those slots are big enough to quickly pass hundreds of kilos through within a minute or two if you have a couple of people on each side. This fence is going to be unmanned. Anyone can quickly cut through it (as the video I showed demonstrates) or scale over it within a minute or two. Why are you opposed to stopping those things?
Now, compare that to having an armed guard every .3 miles. You asked what would happen when a hundred(s) illegals suddenly try coming across together. Well, what would happen when a hundred(s) try scaling an UNMANNED fence at the same time? A guard would be able to see them coming and radio for support, other guards would be there within minutes by the time the illegals actually got to the border. An unmanned fence has no chance to identify that and the hundreds of illegals would be free to scale or cut through the fence at their leisure.
3000 vehicles at $20,000/vehicle is $60 million. That's pocket change compared to the $5 billion cheeto wants and what the annual maintenance cost of a fence would be. That would provide transportation (for even faster response time instead of having to run .3 miles), protection from the elements, communication/power ability.
Why are you against stopping ease of drugs and illegals from coming over the border, which is what an unmanned fence would provide?
Let's say a drone identifies hundreds of illegals pushing towards the fence. Then, what? You have just minutes to somehow round up 50 border agents to try and stop them. It will take them just a few minutes to get to the border and just a few more minutes to cut through it/scale it with ropes. Where are you getting those 50 border patrol agents from that fast?
Let's say that drone identifies the same thing, but you have border agents instead of a fence. You already have 30+ border agents who all have vehicles and can be there within 5 minutes (there will be 7 agents each of whom are less than a mile away and can be there within 1 minute).
Tell me, which one is going to do a better job? An unmanned fence that is easily breached and has no border agents anywhere close or no fence that has 7 border agents within 1 minute away and 30+ agents within 5 minutes away.
As E.T. suggested, you'd need fewer than 3000 agents on call every 8 hours. Why is that so hard when you have a pool of 10,000 to choose from that would still be cheaper than the construction and maintenance of a wall?
Drones and satellites can spot people miles before they get to the border and after they cross in isolated areas. How do you think troop movement is tracked around the world? By locating people long before they get to the border, it allows for adequate time to respond from longer distances. Here's a good article discussing it...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/...rder-a-case-for-technology-over-concrete.html
Productive, legal immigrant policeman killed the day after Christmas by an illegal.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/slain-cal...onil-singh-remembered-great/story?id=60156689
More white trash in WV killing each other than any Mexicans killing Americans. Fvcking hillbilly.
The actual guys who work for the border patrol disagree with you. I know you are an expert in the field but they disagree by most accounts.
Gee, thanks I wasn't aware of how the military uses that technology? but again the border patrol disagrees with you. How are you going to mobilize enough people to get them? Let's hear the logistics of it? And, that is not a deterrent like a wall or fence is.
I want to hear the logistics of it and why the actual border patrol is wrong when they said they need a wall.
Drones can't do everything. that is just one piece of it.
They disagree that having an armed patrol every .3 miles with their own vehicle wouldn't be far better than a fence that has nobody within numerous miles of it in either direction? No, that is not what they disagree with.
They think a fence would help them. So do I. However, at the cost of creating this fence, there are far better options.
Here are some videos for you. Really, watch these videos. See how fvcking easy it is to climb the fences. Now, you want to build $5 billion+ of these fences to supposedly keep illegals and drugs out? Brilliant idea, morons. It takes these guys five seconds to climb up the fence:
Do you see how easy it is to breach the wall? And these are the illegals who WANT to get caught so they can claim asylum. How do you expect to stop those who don't want to get caught and are going to very remote areas to breach this magical fence?
The only way to effectively do that is to have agents there to stop them. If left unmanned, which the overwhelming majority of a 1900 mile long fence would be, it is a free-for-all for illegals crossing over.
Look at the pictures I posted. Do you see how easy it is to simply walk across the border? These videos show that a fence would be simply a matter of 60 seconds to breach. What is the point of a fence?
Please, have a little fvcking common sense.
Explain how this fence is a deterrent when you just saw video of a little girl breaching it, when you just saw video of the Fakin' Jamaican's ex-wife breaching it, etc. so easily.
A deterrent? Any illegal who doesn't want to get caught will simply go to a part of the fence that is unmanned and breach it within 60 seconds (some within 10 seconds) as the videos showed.
Again, how is that so hard for you to understand? These fences don't work unless they are manned! To man them, you need a shitload of agents. Why? Because the fence is so easy to breach.
The only thing stopping them are agents, not a fvcking fence.
what is working now, GK? Seriosuly. They are coming in droves. The border patrols agents themselves say this. There are probably 20 million illegals in this country now. What do we do? At least Trump is trying something instead of doing nothing.
Get real. Fences are an obstacle. a first line of protection. That is why the are used to protect compounds, bases, etc.
11 rows of triple stand concertina wire can stop a main battle tank. We can build a wall to stop or slow down illegals. No need to make it easy.
The longer you don't get your wall, I'm guessing the higher that number gets. Sounds like something a trumptard would do.
These are great videos. We’re going to build a great barrier. No one will be able to cross it.
Idiots.
I agree. But the fence cheeto now wants - which isn't much different than some of those in the videos I showed - will be able to be breached within seconds. Did you see the guys climbing those steel beams within 5 seconds? That's 5 seconds up, 5 seconds down. What the fvck "first line of protection" is 10 seconds going to do? Even the beached whale was climbing it. Hell, the little girl just burrowed under it.
Is it worth $5 billion+ and additional costs every year for something that people can breach within 10 seconds? To anyone with reason and who isn't simply following like a blind sheep, the answer is a resounding "no."
Go back and ask your "friend" what would be tougher: having an almost unlimited amount of time to climb over, through, or under one of those fences with no border patrol within many miles or trying to get through a border area swarming with border agents in vehicles every .3 miles.
As the videos show, the fence is almost useless unless you have border agents standing right there waiting for them. Even at that, the fence only delays them a handful of seconds.
It's a waste of money. The thing is, cheeto is smart enough to realize that. He has been told that. However, he simply can't back down from it at this point without continuing to look like the biggest fool in the world. His followers, including you, are too fvcking dense to realize that.
The best part? Tomorrow, cheeto could come out and proclaim "Guys, this fence idea isn't really good. It's a huge waste of money, and there are far better options to protect the border than spending $5 billion+ on a fence," and you guys will immediately jump behind him and agree with him.
Just out of curiosity .... does either Trump or Pelosi/Schumer propose anything to adequately staff our immigration court system, and employ enough federal workplace inspectors to ensure businesses aren't employing otherwise illegal aliens?
I actually would like to see businesses fined big time for hiring the illegals.
But, the parties(both) won't do it.
Employees for border patrol also want 10,000% pay raises and two day work weeks. Your point?
You haven't answered a single one of my questions that have been repeated throughout this thread. I wonder why.
