Or it's like with every other coach that has said they aren't leaving and want to stay and they were always leaving. Nothing a coach says in a press conference is on the level. Especially statements being made about their job.
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Why does a high salary require someone to like where they live and give you the favor of them living there? Christ, you are the one that sounds "entitled" at this point.
He's not doing us favor. He's doing a job. Your kind of thinking is why he's easily decided to get out. I dont blame him at this point.
Seeing @The Real SamC agreeing with you on this is even a greater laugh. Dude hasn't lived in WV or been to a football game in years.
Doesn't change the fact that no one on here really knows anything. It's ALL been speculation and rumors. Shit. You've had (supposed) folks "in the know", affiliated with this board, asserting claims with timelines (now missed) who look really foolish.
Do I think he's leaving. Yes. Everything points to that. The only known is: no one outside a very few small select group of people really know anything related to when, where, etc.
They did? Where was that ever said? Were you in the meetings?
Discussed by who? The same people that claimed he would be on a plane two nights ago and not be back?
You want to try again? "for a decade" has nothing to do with what you tried to suggest: "no one claimed..." Yes. It was claimed.
I think he is talking about the paid site on this board. Lots of good information, if you are willing to pay for it.
"No, I wasn't. But someone who is close to the MU AD and lives in Huntington, has told me....look, just believe me!"
I love when you make up hypotheticals and tell me what I would say.
Yeah the idea that a decade rebuild is absolutely coming if we change coaches isn’t based in any reality.
My kind of thinking? The guys not happy here. That’s fine. You don’t have to like it. But to act like his experience living in Huntington and my experience or anyone else’s is the same is laughable. The comment was made “I don’t want to live in Huntington, most of you don’t either”. That’s fine. Most of us aren’t getting paid more than anyone else in the city though.
he doesn’t want to be here, so he can leave. I’m not mad about it, that’s fine. But don’t shove some dumb narrative about how it’s so “hard” to live here when you make that kind of money. That’s insulting.
I NEVER said it did. It wasn't MY assertion it would take a decade. Please stay with the conversation. Fact remains, coaching turnover adds to the uncertainty to any program. Hell, Huff has been here 4 years, and he's basically had 2 rebuilds when looking at the roster turnover because of the new NIL/Portal opportunities that began during his tenure. That "risk" only increases with changing coaches now. I really can't believe this is a debate with anyone that is watching college football these days.
Do I think Marshall can remain successful with a good hire. Yes. Huff leaving isn't the end. But it's going to have to be a solid hire with someone with a bigger understanding than just X's and O's.
Link to where he said that please.
Yes...YOUR KIND OF THINKING. You want to be insulted. You're looking to be insulted. Because anyone that watched the interview understands the context in which this comment was made, and it wasn't what you're trying to claim here.
I encourage you to find the interview on youtube if possible and watch the entirety of the comment. He made the comment as an attribute to those in the community and the players that choose to play here. It wasn't about him. It was about the players, coaches, and those that live there choosing to remain there despite the challenges. All the same challenges I've heard fans like you claim here over the years: "WV is a poor state" "Marshall doesn't have the money" "Population is leaving the state and Htgn" "WV is economically unable.." "Drug addicts everywhere" "Marshall cant affort" "Fans cant afford" "Why does Marshall have to raise prices for tickets" "Marshall should discount..." " We cant" "We dont" "We wont".......Is it "hard" living in Htgn or WV in general? IDK, ask the millions of people raised there who have left what they think.
I could go on all day with the constant droning of frustration, doubt and pity spewed on this board alone over the years. The real problem with your kind of thinking is that an "outsider" to the area made reference about it; unfortunately, you shut your ears and missed the continued effort to turn that into a message of hope and perseverance of those that want to be there and make things better.
Nobody tries harder to have a worse experience, especially at MU games than you, and that's what's laughable.
Anyone who tries to find optimism gets reminded about how poor or hard it is for MU to remain relevant...you go to P4 stadiums and talk about how much greater it is than here.
You're an absolute joke.
Huff deserves to stay at this point. He does as good a job as anyone with the portal and no NIL money. That said, he's still not a great in-game coach. He's better than he was when he arrived, but still doesn't seem to have that "feel" for momentum shifts and changes that great coaches seem to have. Could that develop? Who knows? He won't be here long enough to find out.
He deserves an extension offer. But let's be honest, he's had one foot out the door since he arrived. Any semblance of success and he was going to leave. He currently has an out.
Spears is a moron, but it doesn't matter what, or if, we offered him, Huff was leaving regardless. It's obvious both sides were resigned to that fact after last season.
Time to find our next coach. Best of luck to Huff and company. Hope we can keep Braxton and some of the other stand-outs for the new guy.
He deserves an extension offer. But let's be honest, he's had one foot out the door since he arrived. Any semblance of success and he was going to leave. He currently has an out.
Spears is a moron, but it doesn't matter what, or if, we offered him, Huff was leaving regardless. It's obvious both sides were resigned to that fact after last season.
Time to find our next coach. Best of luck to Huff and company. Hope we can keep Braxton and some of the other stand-outs for the new guy.
Wonder where the nil money is going to if we have none to spend?
If anyone thinks Spears has ANY input on this decision, they’re misinformed. This is a Brad Smith call all the way, and personally I’m fine with that.
This isn't true but the truth isn't something you're concerned with so there is that... I have a great time at Marshall games. I also think the experience could be better. I definitely don't try and rain on peoples parade when they have optimism. But I think there are a lot of things that could be handled differently by this Athletic Department that would improve game experience, fan engagement, and the overall perception of the University. But, because I don't just smile and say "aww we're trying our best, little ole marshall I'm just glad we have a program at all!" I'm a hater. Because I think there is no excuse for missing the little things, i'm a pessimist.
Instead of attacking other fans for their opinion, why don't you just focus your energy on making Huntington a better place so that our head football coaches are repulsed by the thought of living here.
Well for starters, when Huff made the comments about it being hard to live in Huntington I tried to defend him. After all it seemed like he was giving a compliment. Then came the comments where he blasted his own fanbase. Then came the comments that we don't have any NIL money. Then his wife resigns her position at the beginning of the year because it's clear he's gone after this year. Then theres fact that he's (allegedly) willing to take a step down to go to Hattiesburg, MS which has many of the same challenges of Huntington. It's tough to deny it at this point. When a fan says something its one thing. We are fans this is what we do. We come on message boards we give our opinions and we debate. When you're the head coach its different. You don't say some of the things he has said. It has absolutely nothing to do with being an outsider. If you look at his comments and actions the last several years and think "this guy has a message of hope for our area" then you're kidding yourself.
I don't expect you to listen to anything I said. Instead you will make assumptions and hypotheticals about what I would say or how I believe. You'll put words in my mouth and we will continue this cycle. So let's just save the time.
- You defend the University for every action (except the CH situation I guess). => good fan.
- I think there are things they could do differently to improve the experience => cry baby pessimist.
- You think coach Huff is right and Huntington sucks and is a difficult place to live => good fan.
- I think the head coach of the university and one of the most prominent figures in the community (who is paid higher than 99% of the people in the state) should have a positive message => i'm the worst person who ever lived and a joke.
- You think Marshall should do everything they can to keep coach Huff because without him we will fall apart and have to rebuild for a decade. Because he is our only hope of relevance => good fan.
- I think, given NIL and transfer portal rebuilds can happen faster than ever and with the right coaching staff in place and an engaged fanbase you can lose coaches without total rebuilds => idiot.
That is where we stand. have a good day.
I've tried to listen to everything you've said. The problem is, just like your attempt here, you contradict yourself continually.
Now you claim you defended "it's hard in Htgn" comment??? Please. Spare us the nonsensical back stepping. Why would comments about the NIL offend you?? In the grand scheme of things... How much does Marshall have in NIL to payout compared to other programs. Who cares if his wife resigns from a HS coaching job, have past coaches at Marshall even worked a job at all? How is taking a job that increases his gross pay ~70%, takes him back to a part of the country he and his family have lived in for years and are apparently comfortable in a step down?
I'll ask again, please provide the links to where he said the things you claim he said. "Blasted the fan base"?? Please provide, otherwise we can assume you've made it up (again).
As for the rest of your BS bullets...
- The last thing I do is defend the University at every step. I've been critical with many things they have done/not done over the years. However, I also challenge fan's knee jerk views that are shortsighted and emotionally based terrible suggestions.
- We've already discussed the Htgn sucks mantra you completely made up. No need to rehash.
- You think because a person makes a lot of money, they should automatically be happy where they live, blow smoke up your ass and tell everyone "Everything is ok". Brilliant insight.
- I actually believe Marshall should move on from Huff. If the rumors are true that he was offered an extension last year (prior to NC St) and he turned it down, I probably wouldn't offer again. Time to move forward. With that said, no one aside from Huff and the school knows the conversations that have been had leading up to this point. It's all speculation by an irreverent fan base who demands allegiance to Marshall by all, BECAUSE .
- I never claimed rebuilds couldn't happen faster than normal do to the the NIL/Portal. That wasn't the argument. But now you even admit... "a REBUILD can happen faster if the right coach..." Pretty much exactly what I was suggesting. There is clearly a risk without having coaching stability under the new NIL/Portal model. Hell, there is a risk even with a stable coach who knows how to work the system.
Considering Brad knows very little about sports in general and is an inclusive leader...yes Spears has input. It's his job.
I made up the mantra that Huff doesn't want to be here? dang... I have a lot more pull then I thought. Because a lot of people have said the same thing. If I made that up I should be getting credit for that. If you don't think going from a conference championship game to a team that will never be above 3rd in their state in the heart of SEC country and was one of the worst teams in the country is a step down, then I don't know what to tell you.
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You aren't dumb. You remember what he said about fans running Fancher out of town.
I'm not going to get into the bullet points because once again you lie at every turn and put words into my mouth. It's pointless to continue arguing with someone too dense to see anyone else's point of view. I will say this. I never said that because someone makes a lot of money they should just be happy. What I did say is that when it is claimed of course he doesn't want to live here, no one else does either because of the difficulties we all face and that we share that experience, that is offensive. I do not have the same experience living in this community as Charles Huff. So to say that he has it so hard, he wants to leave like everyone else it ridiculous.
I never said he should just blow smoke and act like everything is ok either, but blaming fans for transfers, complaining in the media about the lack of NIL money, etc. isn't how you want your HC to act.
Anyway, this is beyond dumb at this point. I'm not wasting more of my time talking to someone that refuses to have an honest debate without twisting words and telling me what I mean by what I'm saying. You make assumptions about me at every turn and use language like "Fans like you" instead of just discussing what I have actually said or what i actually believe about a topic. Its stupid at this point. Have a good one. I'm glad we have someone like you in our fanbase, who is always right.
"But when I do it constantly, it's ok because I'm different, I'm a fan. How dare he assign consequences for my complaining!!"
People like you, just want someone else to blame and point fingers at...when the lack of engagement due to perpetual complaining is really a problem you have.
Once more, you try not to enjoy things, because you want to want to blame MU for it.
How do any of you know what extent Spears is involved?
Many of you call him an idiot but know nothing about his involvement and participation behind the scenes.
Many of you call him an idiot but know nothing about his involvement and participation behind the scenes.
He wasn't saying HE HAS IT SO HARD HERE. Christ, why is it so hard for you to understand the context of what was explained to you continuously.
Getting "offended" at anything is a personal issue you apparently have. Get over yourself.
I'm using your words when discussing the topics. YOUR words. I dont have to lie. I'm repeating what you've said and continue to say.
If this is your attempt at humor, you failed. Try harder.
Yet he's in a state now that will never be above #2 in state of 2....NOT in SEC country.
Again, your poor attempt here at logic is failing. On one hand you think because Huff is highly paid he should be grateful to be here and stick it out without complaining (which he hasn't openly done despite your claims); on the other hand you mock the idea of Huff taking a job that pays considerably more in the football rich, similarly poor region of the country, he and his family apparently favor. Literally the only downside you can point to is "SMiss is a bad program".
Yes, there really is NO STEP DOWN. From the outside, the risk/reward ratio is higher for him to go back south. 1) The family is happy. 2) He turns around a failing program, his stock as a coach skyrocket and he writes a bigger ticket to a bigger program. 3) Even if he fails at SMiss, he has put himself back into the SEC country, connecting/networking with coaches/Universities at bigger institutions that could bring him back as a highly paid assistant (that still pays more than Marshall).
All I'm saying is, he's an inclusive leader who delegates effectively. Suggesting Spears had no input in the hire and it was "ALL Brad" doesn't align with anything he's said or done as a CEO or President.
I don't know either which is why I don't make assumptions. Too many of our fans, in the same position as us, are trashing him without reasonable justification.
I mean "none" in a hyperbolic sense - as in not enough to matter or move the needle as a program.
I can’t wait until they allow college teams to put company and product logos on the uniforms ( that is supposedly in the works now). It will be like NASCAR without the cars.
It's common practice in all pro sports in all the countries around the world, except in the United States.
Huff has pretty much given himself an opportunity to expand his footprint, and I'm going to guess he may go for the Mississippi State job if their HC is terrible again and he proves himself to be halfway competent at USM.
He really is in a good position and good for him in doing so.
Too bad people like Reds can't see it through their own dumb bias.
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