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Marshall - ODU

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Blew a 21 point lead in the 2nd half. Still had a chance to win at the end but we jacked up a 30 foot shot with 4 seconds left.

Beat on the boards 50-28.

And ODU playing without 2 starters.
 
They’re soft. Stand and watch the ball. They took 78 shots we took 56. Nothing impressive about the Herd tonight.
 
Great question. They had all the pieces back this year but are 5th place in the east.

I know they’ve had some bad luck by playing most of their conference games on the road but still.

ODU was playing without their point guard and another starter I believe. Largest comeback in school history.
 
Great question. They had all the pieces back this year but are 5th place in the east.

I know they’ve had some bad luck by playing most of their conference games on the road but still.

ODU was playing without their point guard and another starter I believe. Largest comeback in school history.
We're up 21 at one point. They start dismantling our lead and Dan over there doing his best Doc Holliday impression. Doesn't call a timeout until the lead was down to 8.

He allows players to just jack up whatever shot. In the final minutes West gets a steal amd jacks up a threw with two guys standing at the rim, Beyers takes a dumb three, and then the final shot attempt is jacked up 5 feet beyond three with 3.5 seconds left and around 2 when it left his hand.

This team is just horribly coached.
 
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When does Dan's free pass end?
I think it's safe to say the free pass has ended at least with the fans. No excuses for what happened last night. This team is simply not good enough right now to compete for a title. Danny is quickly approaching Doc status. He appears way too comfortable. Someone needs to remind Danny he is not untouchable. Next year will not be any better either when Kinsey leaves. Can't help but get the feeling this program is trending in the wrong direction.
 
But, but, but, one time, from 4th place, we got on a hot streak in the conference tournament and then won ONE GAME over a mid-major. It might happen again some day.
 
It does appear that we have to bring our A game to win, regardless of the opponent. I noticed that Bennett got into the game last night. He must be healed from his leg injury. He would be a big help down the stretch if he could give us 8-10 minutes a game. Early did not score much last night. His ability to take the ball to the basket is needed in games like this. We need to have a mix of drives and 3-point shots to keep the defense honest. I thought our defense was starting to keep us in the games, but apparently it went to sleep last night. Hope tonight's game shows improvement.
 
When does Dan's free pass end?
This is laughable. We he took us to the NCAA tournament for the first time in 30years and 2 1/2 seasons later you’re ready to dump him. We just lost the best shooter in school history. I’m all for fair criticism but geez. It’s a bad loss that can happen in a year where games and practice are not guaranteed. We can compete with any team in the league and he has added great talent from in and out of state. Regardless of the score the game is fun to watch.
 
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This is laughable. We he took us to the NCAA tournament for the first time in 30years and 2 1/2 seasons later you’re ready to dump him. We just lost the best shoot in school history. I’m all for fair criticism but geez. It’s a bad loss that can happen in a year where games and practice are not guaranteed. We can compete with any team in the league and he has added great talent from in and out of state. Regardless of the score the game is fun to watch.
Oh yea blowing 21 point leads and choking down the stretch is so exciting. If you criticized Doc and refused to hold Dan to the same standard you're a hypocrite.
 
Marshall vs ODU. The rematch. 5 minutes to go in 1st half. Herd up by 18. Don't get too excited. We were here last night, too.
 
I like how we stop giving the ball to those who are on fire and give to #50 instead, who couldn't hit the water if he was falling out of a boat.
 
Surely cannot blow it two nights in a row right? ODU is without two of their starters.
 
"Good".

How so? I saw an undisciplined and selfish team blow a 21 point lead and mismanage the final possession, and then the same undisciplined and selfish team achieve the result it should have. This is undisciplined selfish and leaderless basketball, and that never goes anywhere.
 
"Good".

How so? I saw an undisciplined and selfish team blow a 21 point lead and mismanage the final possession, and then the same undisciplined and selfish team achieve the result it should have. This is undisciplined selfish and leaderless basketball, and that never goes anywhere.
Sam, give it a rest. We know you don't like anything or anybody connected to Marshall basketball. Friday night's loss was absolutely unforgivable. That can sometimes lead to more of the same problems in the future. But I was impressed with how they came back Saturday night and got out to a big lead and stayed with it for the win.
 
This is laughable. We he took us to the NCAA tournament for the first time in 30years and 2 1/2 seasons later you’re ready to dump him. We just lost the best shooter in school history. I’m all for fair criticism but geez. It’s a bad loss that can happen in a year where games and practice are not guaranteed. We can compete with any team in the league and he has added great talent from in and out of state. Regardless of the score the game is fun to watch.

Bwahaha...no.

It's one thing if this were maybe year 2 of Dan and he hadn't quite gotten his style into place.
But we're in year, what, 6 of Dan where this is STILL happening?
There comes a point where your team is supposed to be good enough to not have bad habits such as this, and that includes the coaches.
"We just lost the best shooter in school history" is no excuse considering Kinsey has some NBA Draft projections has high as late 1st round.

Its time for you to realize Dan's cushion of "Well...the NCAA tournament!!" is over. MU hasn't even been close to that since.
 
But, but, but, one time, from 4th place, we got on a hot streak in the conference tournament and then won ONE GAME over a mid-major. It might happen again some day.

Eh, I wouldn't call Witchita State a mid major. Their basketball history would say they're a P5 level program.
 
Bwahaha...no.

It's one thing if this were maybe year 2 of Dan and he hadn't quite gotten his style into place.
But we're in year, what, 6 of Dan where this is STILL happening?
There comes a point where your team is supposed to be good enough to not have bad habits such as this, and that includes the coaches.
"We just lost the best shooter in school history" is no excuse considering Kinsey has some NBA Draft projections has high as late 1st round.

Its time for you to realize Dan's cushion of "Well...the NCAA tournament!!" is over. MU hasn't even been close to that since.
The recent history of Marshall hoops looks much different then football. Since Huck we have had 8 coaches and they are made up of the really good coaches that stayed an average of 2 years which is not long enough to really get anything going(Altman, Donovan, and Jones). The bad coaches (Freeman, Jirsa, and Herrion), then you have two coaches that stayed and built something with some success(White and Dan). When comparing White and Dan they are about the same in winning pct, but Dan has an NCAA win and the CIT Championship, so one could argue Dan is the most productive coach we have had since 1989(with the Altman, Donovan, and Jones just not being here long enough to judge). Im not really sure of the expectations since we have put so little money into hoops. Football got an indoor practice facility in 2014 and honestly with a capital expense like that you world think a real jump in football would have taken place. I feel Marshall missed a chance to feed off of the momentum of the NCAA win and the CIT Championship when Gullickson was not renovated/updated as a practice facility. I know that is being discussed but it was still an opportunity missed when college athletics is so much about timing and emotion.

I would like to see a little more out of the program, but we have a coach that appears to be the most productive we have had in 30 years without the upgrades that need to happen to grow the program. So, Im looking forward to seeing what the hoops program can accomplish under Dan moving forward, and with the recent shake up in the athletic department(and family on the BOG) I don't think he is going anywhere.
 
Bwahaha...no.

It's one thing if this were maybe year 2 of Dan and he hadn't quite gotten his style into place.
But we're in year, what, 6 of Dan where this is STILL happening?
There comes a point where your team is supposed to be good enough to not have bad habits such as this, and that includes the coaches.
"We just lost the best shooter in school history" is no excuse considering Kinsey has some NBA Draft projections has high as late 1st round.

Its time for you to realize Dan's cushion of "Well...the NCAA tournament!!" is over. MU hasn't even been close to that since.
Hear me out here but it’s almost like he has to teach his system to A NEW GROUP of players ( David early , Taylor ). Just cause Kinsey could be in the NBA doesn’t mean he is a better shooter than Elmore. You’re mad cause we are a series out of 1st place? Dan is smart enough to know the CUSA Tourney is the only thing that matters to get us to the Dance.

He’s letting guys make mistakes and have them work through the system. The only reason we lost was because we didn’t hit freethrows. basketball is a game of runs. Calm down. If he stops winning 20 games a year sure , we can talk about firing coaches but again the man has done something others haven’t in 30 years just a couple years ago. Not a Doc situation here.
 
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It's almost like we have certain fans that are highly partial to one sport , that hope the other sport loses - so they can brag about which is more relevant. What kind of twisted thinking is that? Marshall needs every damn fan it can get - supporting all our teams.
 
They are in the AAC and came from the Missouri Valley Conference. Last I looked they are both considered mid-major
I like you Meister but that’s a stupid quote. UNLV under Tarkanian played in I don’t even remember the conference. It was a mid major but UNLV was as much a power team as Duke or UK during that time. Gonzaga is not a mid major and they play in a mid major league. Memphis with Calipari was in CUSA and nobody considered them mid major. There have been several teams that have played in mid major leagues over the years that aren’t considered mid major themselves. Wichita State was one of those teams.
 
Hear me out here but it’s almost like he has to teach his system to A NEW GROUP of players ( David early , Taylor ). Just cause Kinsey could be in the NBA doesn’t mean he is a better shooter than Elmore. You’re mad cause we are a series out of 1st place? Dan is smart enough to know the CUSA Tourney is the only thing that matters to get us to the Dance.

He’s letting guys make mistakes and have them work through the system. The only reason we lost was because we didn’t hit freethrows. basketball is a game of runs. Calm down. If he stops winning 20 games a year sure , we can talk about firing coaches but again the man has done something others haven’t in 30 years just a couple years ago. Not a Doc situation here.

New group of players? 3 of his starters are juniors or higher with one being NBA quality and the other two have been with Dan since they've been there.

Are you suggesting that blowing 20 pt leads (multiple double digit leads in games as well) is all part of some grand plan?
I have no idea what coach with the credentials of experience he has, would ever do such a thing...losing in the same fashion multiple games a season (as some sort of lesson) only to bank on his team going on a 3 or 4 game streak would be quite possibly the dumbest thing ever.
 
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It's almost like we have certain fans that are highly partial to one sport , that hope the other sport loses - so they can brag about which is more relevant. What kind of twisted thinking is that? Marshall needs every damn fan it can get - supporting all our teams.
Its been bad in football, the epitome being that MU didn't win but the other team lost. Fans complained about wins.
Basketball is getting that way but the personality of the coach and he erasing 30 years of underachievement in just 3 years (thus killing the whole, "well give him a chance, 30 years...") has given him the false sense of belief he can coast seasons now.
 
Its been bad in football, the epitome being that MU didn't win but the other team lost. Fans complained about wins.
Basketball is getting that way but the personality of the coach and he erasing 30 years of underachievement in just 3 years (thus killing the whole, "well give him a chance, 30 years...") has given him the false sense of belief he can coast seasons now.
So lets run off the most productive coach we have had in 30 years because his current 10-5 record is not good enough.
 
The same can be said with other AAC members Memphis and Houston but the fact remains, they are mid majors as is the A10's Dayton and Xavier

Xavier hasn't been in the A10 for the last 7-8 years, they are in the Big East.
 
The same can be said with other AAC members Memphis and Houston but the fact remains, they are mid majors as is the A10's Dayton and Xavier

Meister this is really a silly argument you are making. In basketball unlike football the conference you are in does not make you a mid major or not. It’s the program itself.

Marshall is a mid major. It has been the whole 52 years I have been alive.

Gonzaga is in a mid major conference they are not a mid major. They are the number 1 ranked team in the country!!!
Dayton was one of the favorites to win the NC last year before the post season was cancelled. Not a Cinderella going on a run like Butler but an actual pre tournament favorite to win the whole thing definitely not a mid major.
Xavier was a perennial top 25 team they were not a mid major before they joined the Big East.

When UConn was in the AAC were they a mid major? Considering they won the NC during that time I doubt they were considered mid major.

UNLV was at the level of UK, Duke, UNC during Tarks time and they were in the Big West.

Memphis during Calipari.
UMass during Calipari,

The list goes on and on and on of teams who play in mid major conferences who are not remotely considered mid majors themselves.

Wichita State has been constantly in the top 25 since 2011 including being ranked in the top 10. This year they are 11-4 and have 4 close losses, 3 of them against top 25 teams. 2 of them were at Wichita State against top 25 power conference schools. Teams that are thought of as mid major do not get 1 top 25 ranked major conference teams to play in their gym let alone 2.
 
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