Marshall - ODU

[The Real SamC]

Arguing about what a "mid-major" means shows just how little is demanded in basketball. One time, from 4th place, we got on a run and beat a mid-major, it might happen again". "No, they were a major, beating Wichita State is just like beating Kentucky or Duke". "No its not." "Yes it is."

Whatever.

The point is this fan base is living off ONE WIN, FOUR YEARS AGO. Once, we made it to the second round of a six round tournament. Four years ago. And we talk about it like we won the darn thing. Like DD is Rupp or Smith or Wooden. We won one game over a mid-major that only vaguely remembers that we exist.

Because that is enough. Go about .500 win the conference (a conference where about 1/3rd of the teams don't even try at basketball) every, I don't know, 10 or 12 years, talk a good game, its is enough.

Because mediocrity is accepted here.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

Arguing about what a "mid-major" means shows just how little is demanded in basketball. One time, from 4th place, we got on a run and beat a mid-major, it might happen again". "No, they were a major, beating Wichita State is just like beating Kentucky or Duke". "No its not." "Yes it is."

Whatever.

The point is this fan base is living off ONE WIN, FOUR YEARS AGO. Once, we made it to the second round of a six round tournament. Four years ago. And we talk about it like we won the darn thing. Like DD is Rupp or Smith or Wooden. We won one game over a mid-major that only vaguely remembers that we exist.

Because that is enough. Go about .500 win the conference (a conference where about 1/3rd of the teams don't even try at basketball) every, I don't know, 10 or 12 years, talk a good game, its is enough.

Because mediocrity is accepted here.

Doc approves of that last line.

 

[5150]

Arguing about what a "mid-major" means shows just how little is demanded in basketball. One time, from 4th place, we got on a run and beat a mid-major, it might happen again". "No, they were a major, beating Wichita State is just like beating Kentucky or Duke". "No its not." "Yes it is."

Whatever.

The point is this fan base is living off ONE WIN, FOUR YEARS AGO. Once, we made it to the second round of a six round tournament. Four years ago. And we talk about it like we won the darn thing. Like DD is Rupp or Smith or Wooden. We won one game over a mid-major that only vaguely remembers that we exist.

Because that is enough. Go about .500 win the conference (a conference where about 1/3rd of the teams don't even try at basketball) every, I don't know, 10 or 12 years, talk a good game, its is enough.

Because mediocrity is accepted here.

As I said, if the athletic department is not gong to put money into the program you cant expect much more. When the University put $14 into the indoor practice building it showed a commitment to the football. Dan wanted to build on the NCAA and CIT run to build the program and that momentum has been lost, but having the mediocrity you speak of is better then an other coach since 1989.

 

[5150]

MU ran off the CUSA CoY for losing 3 games. Why quit there?

The politics and off field issues also play into those decisions, but the new car smell that goes along with change does have the fans excited and that is what college athletics is about. Excitement, emotion and fun. It seems the hoops program still has some excitement, and with some money spent on the program I think it could be better

 

[muthed]

MU ran off the CUSA CoY for losing 3 games. Why quit there?

The vote surely was done before Nov. 1.

 

[The Real SamC]

As I said, if the athletic department is not gong to put money into the program you cant expect much more. When the University put $14 into the indoor practice building it showed a commitment to the football. Dan wanted to build on the NCAA and CIT run to build the program and that momentum has been lost, but having the mediocrity you speak of is better then an other coach since 1989.

The translation of that into non-delusional is "I accept mediocrity"

But using $$ as an excuse? Please. We are in the upper third of this awful basketball league in terms of commitment to the sport.

 

[5150]

The translation of that into non-delusional is "I accept mediocrity"

But using $$ as an excuse? Please. We are in the upper third of this awful basketball league in terms of commitment to the sport.

On the other hand we spend $14 million on football and get average returns. So everything is average no matter the funds being spent.

 

[ru4_mu2]

On the other hand we spend $14 million on football and get average returns. So everything is average no matter the funds being spent.

What is your suggestion that needs to be spent on basketball? The 16.4 million IPF wasn't only built for football, btw.

 

[caliherd]

What is your suggestion that needs to be spent on basketball? The 16.4 million IPF wasn't only built for football, btw.

Don’t kid yourself it absolutely was built for football. Di other sports use it, yes, but there is not a chance in he11 that would have been built if it wasn’t for football. Also with those other sports ask them if they get to use it when the football team wants to use it.

 

[ru4_mu2]

Don’t kid yourself it absolutely was built for football. Di other sports use it, yes, but there is not a chance in he11 that would have been built if it wasn’t for football. Also with those other sports ask them if they get to use it when the football team wants to use it.

Indoor track has used it several times. Just had a meet there last weekend. Bottom line is it wasn't built for the sole use of football just like the CAM wasn't built for the sole use for basketball. And you're correct, it wouldn't have been built without football. That doesn't answer my question.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

Don’t kid yourself it absolutely was built for football. Di other sports use it, yes, but there is not a chance in he11 that would have been built if it wasn’t for football. Also with those other sports ask them if they get to use it when the football team wants to use it.

lol it's a multi-purpose IPF, built for multiple teams to use and often, at the same time. Quit pushing your opinions off as some sort of fact.
MU didn't have its own track to use since the last one was torn down, which MU's IPF has a full track within and can house Track and Field meets.
MU also hosts several other events within the IPF...something if exclusively built for football, would never want or allow.
Finally, given Coach Huff's enthusiasm for ALL things MU, he'd be welcoming for all athletes to use the IPF.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

We all know Clark or the UTSA coach should have been COTY

We all know MU's opponents should've won against MU.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

Arguing about what a "mid-major" means shows just how little is demanded in basketball. One time, from 4th place, we got on a run and beat a mid-major, it might happen again". "No, they were a major, beating Wichita State is just like beating Kentucky or Duke". "No its not." "Yes it is."

Whatever.

The point is this fan base is living off ONE WIN, FOUR YEARS AGO. Once, we made it to the second round of a six round tournament. Four years ago. And we talk about it like we won the darn thing. Like DD is Rupp or Smith or Wooden. We won one game over a mid-major that only vaguely remembers that we exist.

Because that is enough. Go about .500 win the conference (a conference where about 1/3rd of the teams don't even try at basketball) every, I don't know, 10 or 12 years, talk a good game, its is enough.

Because mediocrity is accepted here.

CUSA established itself as a basketball conference and had programs who are much more historically relevant to basketball than football.
It used to be like a 6 bid league and was very competitive.
CUSA has tried to continue doing that adding teams who have had more basketball history than football like WKU, ODU UNCC.

A reality that is tough for some to accept is their belief that CUSA basketball is still somehow competitive when it's only a 1 bid conference and has been since Memphis left.
It hasn't been taken seriosuly and frankly some schools should drop football and be basketball members so beef up the, or else it'll never be taken seriously.

 

[ohio herd]

MU ran off the CUSA CoY for losing 3 games. Why quit there?

In all fairness they did not renew a contract with Doc for losing 3 games last year. It was because he kept coming up short year after year and not winning the title.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

In all fairness they did not renew a contract with Doc for losing 3 games last year. It was because he kept coming up short year after year and not winning the title.

Sadly, that seemed to be OK with some fans and those in the Schewey.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

In all fairness they did not renew a contract with Doc for losing 3 games last year. It was because he kept coming up short year after year and not winning the title.

Sounds like basketball too.

 

[caliherd]

lol it's a multi-purpose IPF, built for multiple teams to use and often, at the same time. Quit pushing your opinions off as some sort of fact.
MU didn't have its own track to use since the last one was torn down, which MU's IPF has a full track within and can house Track and Field meets.
MU also hosts several other events within the IPF...something if exclusively built for football, would never want or allow.
Finally, given Coach Huff's enthusiasm for ALL things MU, he'd be welcoming for all athletes to use the IPF.

Your opinions are no more valid than anybody else on here. So follow your own advice and quit acting like yours are more factual than anybody else on this site.

If you think for one second the IPF wasn’t designed and built for football then you are literally dumber than I thought you were. Just an FYI I have about as low of an opinion of you as I possibly can so for you to make that opinion go lower it’s pretty impressive.

I realize that there is a track and I realize other sports use the IPF but it was built for football. That’s the main purpose of the IPF and if we didn’t need or want it for football it would have never been built. I don’t care how many other “events” we host, or how many track meets we have there.

The soccer team used to play their games at the Joan, the band practices on the Joan. Do you think when they were building the Joan that they gave a crap about any of those groups, no they were making sure it was great for football, it just so happened that the other sports got the benefit of using it. Same with the IPF.

Just an FYI I love the IPF and I’m glad we built it. I also don’t care that we invest way more in football than we do basketball.

 

[5150]

What is your suggestion that needs to be spent on basketball? The 16.4 million IPF wasn't only built for football, btw.

I think the IPF helped baseball more then any other sport but you would hope the coach could leverage that capital expense into better recruits and grow the program. Dan wanted to leverage the NCAA and CIT run to create more excitement around the program and keep it going. Dan wanted to renovate Gullickson as a practice area for the hoops program.

 

[herdfan06]

Your opinions are no more valid than anybody else on here. So follow your own advice and quit acting like yours are more factual than anybody else on this site.

If you think for one second the IPF wasn’t designed and built for football then you are literally dumber than I thought you were. Just an FYI I have about as low of an opinion of you as I possibly can so for you to make that opinion go lower it’s pretty impressive.

 

[The Real SamC]

NEWSFLASH!!!! Football cost more than basketball. There are more things needed, like IPFs. UK, Duke, Kansas, and whoever else you care to name, spend more on football than basketball. Basketball was invented to be a low cost sport at a Y in Massachusetts. All you need to succeed in basketball, especially in the woeful CUSA, is a good coach, a core of dedicated players, a court and some shoes. There is nothing in terms of spending the basketball team needs. Blaming the UNDERACHIEVMENT and outright FAILURES of basketball is just a vain attempt to shift the blame from a guy you like to somebody you don't.

 

[herdalicious]

Just a note: I've seen some debate over who the IPF was built for. In order to pay for the IPF, MU used a $5 million donation from Chris Cline, combined with $5 from the State's Bucks-For-Brains program (which provided matching funds for academic-related fundraising).

For that reason, we must maintain at all times (say it with me):

The IPF was built for the sports medicine program....
The IPF was built for the sports medicine program....
The IPF was built for the sports medicine program....
The IPF was built for the sports medicine program....
The IPF was built for the sports medicine program....
The IPF was built for the sports medicine program....

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

Your opinions are no more valid than anybody else on here. So follow your own advice and quit acting like yours are more factual than anybody else on this site.

If you think for one second the IPF wasn’t designed and built for football then you are literally dumber than I thought you were. Just an FYI I have about as low of an opinion of you as I possibly can so for you to make that opinion go lower it’s pretty impressive.

I realize that there is a track and I realize other sports use the IPF but it was built for football. That’s the main purpose of the IPF and if we didn’t need or want it for football it would have never been built. I don’t care how many other “events” we host, or how many track meets we have there.

The soccer team used to play their games at the Joan, the band practices on the Joan. Do you think when they were building the Joan that they gave a crap about any of those groups, no they were making sure it was great for football, it just so happened that the other sports got the benefit of using it. Same with the IPF.

Just an FYI I love the IPF and I’m glad we built it. I also don’t care that we invest way more in football than we do basketball.

Well if you hold opinions of people based on posting on collegiate sports websites then you're a truly sorry person who works a job robots will be doing soon.
I also don't try to claim my opinions are fact, like you do. So just give it up, online opinions mean squat in the real world.
You claimed MU built the IPF for the sole purpose of football in mind. I agree. I, however, say that it could have just housed the football required equipment and left everyone else, including track and field, out to fend for themselves.
Instead they have not, and given your belief that football is some power hungry entity (and it is in some ways), then nobody would be able to use it and it would not be listed nor marketed in its fundraising as a multi-purpose indoor facility.
They also would not have spent as much effort for wanting to have others come to participate and use said IPF.
So please, stop trying to push your opinions off as fact. At least do it where it matters which is literally anywhere else but here.

 

[5150]

NEWSFLASH!!!! Football cost more than basketball. There are more things needed, like IPFs. UK, Duke, Kansas, and whoever else you care to name, spend more on football than basketball. Basketball was invented to be a low cost sport at a Y in Massachusetts. All you need to succeed in basketball, especially in the woeful CUSA, is a good coach, a core of dedicated players, a court and some shoes. There is nothing in terms of spending the basketball team needs. Blaming the UNDERACHIEVMENT and outright FAILURES of basketball is just a vain attempt to shift the blame from a guy you like to somebody you don't.

"Blaming the UNDERACHIEVMENT and outright FAILURES of basketball is just a vain attempt to shift the blame from a guy you like to somebody you don't."

The most success this program has had since 1989 in terms of winning pct, an NCAA win with a CIT Championship, and that is underachieving and a failure? So this is the most success we have had in 30 years how is it a failure?

 

[HerditAllBefore]

Arguing about what a "mid-major" means shows just how little is demanded in basketball. One time, from 4th place, we got on a run and beat a mid-major, it might happen again". "No, they were a major, beating Wichita State is just like beating Kentucky or Duke". "No its not." "Yes it is."

Whatever.

The point is this fan base is living off ONE WIN, FOUR YEARS AGO. Once, we made it to the second round of a six round tournament. Four years ago. And we talk about it like we won the darn thing. Like DD is Rupp or Smith or Wooden. We won one game over a mid-major that only vaguely remembers that we exist.

Because that is enough. Go about .500 win the conference (a conference where about 1/3rd of the teams don't even try at basketball) every, I don't know, 10 or 12 years, talk a good game, its is enough.

Because mediocrity is accepted here.

1st- it’s hard to argue when you can’t count. I’ll try and give you some numbers.
Dan went to the tournament in March 2018 it’s not even March 2021. So less than 3 years since this city and the state were Singing his praises. Not 4 so stop moving goalposts..or nets ? So much for the Doc comparison.
2nd- define underachieving he went to tournament championship in 2017; wins over a rank team 1st since 2011. (20 win team). Follows it up with NCAA and championship cusa with 20 +wins . Then as others have pointed out we lose our 2nd best player and truly important part of the system in Penava. We then go 20+wins and brings a CIT games that allows the Cam and the city of Huntington to create buzz and business for the city.
3rd we are paying him 200000 dollars pretty good return in the fact that he has gone to the big Dance in 1 out 4 chances ; 5th was cancelled and 6th has started yet. All while dealing with cancelled games.
just to show I’m not all green koolaid. It seems we can’t find the Penava we need.Iran can’t stay healthy and the others have glimpses. Although bigs take longer to develop I hope we look into transfer portal to add someone who can bang down low.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_D'Antoni

 

[The Real SamC]

In other words, once, from 4th place, we got on a 8 day run and won one game over a mid-major. It might happen again some day.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

In other words, once, from 4th place, we got on a 8 day run and won one game over a mid-major. It might happen again some day.

Just like we might win a CUSA football title again some day. The choker has left the building.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

BTW, I know for a fact, several teams from the WVFC used the IPF to practice via MU soccer coaches. Wonder how that happens?

 

[Ninegate]

"Blaming the UNDERACHIEVMENT and outright FAILURES of basketball is just a vain attempt to shift the blame from a guy you like to somebody you don't."

The most success this program has had since 1989 in terms of winning pct, an NCAA win with a CIT Championship, and that is underachieving and a failure? So this is the most success we have had in 30 years how is it a failure?

Really. My God I have never seen such mileage from a single NCAA win. Do you realize how many schools have won a single NCAA game in their basketball history? It’s an achievement that’s better left unstated if you are talking to a group of college basketball fans other than MU grads. Most would just assume your school has more wins than one. The CIT tournament could have been won by a MEC school. You are calling this an achievement? It’s only achievement in the real world of college basketball if it had been followed up by consecutive years of greater sustained success. It wasn’t, and the ceiling was hit and a crashing return to reality.
Coach Dan has been allowed by the university to try and fulfill some slight he believes he and his MU team mates endured years ago. Thus the T shirt under the sport coat, Hillbilly Ball and all the other props to fulfill his dream. We are just along for the ride. Enjoy it If you can.

 

[johns1124]

Just like we might win a CUSA football title again some day. The choker has left the building.

We know what the problem there was. It's now gone.

 

[muthed]

Really. My God I have never seen such mileage from a single NCAA win. Do you realize how many schools have won a single NCAA game in their basketball history? It’s an achievement that’s better left unstated if you are talking to a group of college basketball fans other than MU grads. Most would just assume your school has more wins than one. The CIT tournament could have been won by a MEC school. You are calling this an achievement? It’s only achievement in the real world of college basketball if it had been followed up by consecutive years of greater sustained success. It wasn’t, and the ceiling was hit and a crashing return to reality.
Coach Dan has been allowed by the university to try and fulfill some slight he believes he and his MU team mates endured years ago. Thus the T shirt under the sport coat, Hillbilly Ball and all the other props to fulfill his dream. We are just along for the ride. Enjoy it If you can.

Most would assume we would have more than one football conference championship in the last 11 years, too. But we did have a bowl "championship" in the CIT-like New Mexico Bowl.

 

[muthed]

Really. My God I have never seen such mileage from a single NCAA win. Do you realize how many schools have won a single NCAA game in their basketball history? It’s an achievement that’s better left unstated if you are talking to a group of college basketball fans other than MU grads. Most would just assume your school has more wins than one. The CIT tournament could have been won by a MEC school. You are calling this an achievement? It’s only achievement in the real world of college basketball if it had been followed up by consecutive years of greater sustained success. It wasn’t, and the ceiling was hit and a crashing return to reality.
Coach Dan has been allowed by the university to try and fulfill some slight he believes he and his MU team mates endured years ago. Thus the T shirt under the sport coat, Hillbilly Ball and all the other props to fulfill his dream. We are just along for the ride. Enjoy it If you can.

Facts for you, niner. Of the 350 some current college basketball teams, 42 have never won an ncaa tournament game. So we're not quite at the bottom of the bucket. I couldn't find how many teams have only 1 win.

 

[The Real SamC]

I couldn't find how many teams have only 1 win.

34 teams, including such high profile programs as Arkansas - Pine Bluff, Coppin State, North Carolina A&T, and Wayne State, have won exactly one NCAA game. Well over 180 schools have more than one win, including such programs as Alcorn State (3), Detroit Mercy (3), Lamar (5), Little Miami (6), Morehead State (6), Niagara (2), North Carolina - Asheville (2), Ohio (7), Oklahoma City College (8), Stephen F. Austin State (2), and Vermont (2).

But, forget all that. Once, from 4th place, we got on a 8 day hot streak and beat one mid-major team. It might happen again some day.

Then we can be up there with Bucknell, Buffalo, Oral Roberts, Hampton, Robert Morris, and the like. The true elite.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

34 teams, including such high profile programs as Arkansas - Pine Bluff, Coppin State, North Carolina A&T, and Wayne State, have won exactly one NCAA game. Well over 180 schools have more than one win, including such programs as Alcorn State (3), Detroit Mercy (3), Lamar (5), Little Miami (6), Morehead State (6), Niagara (2), North Carolina - Asheville (2), Ohio (7), Oklahoma City College (8), Stephen F. Austin State (2), and Vermont (2).

But, forget all that. Once, from 4th place, we got on a 8 day hot streak and beat one mid-major team. It might happen again some day.

Then we can be up there with Bucknell, Buffalo, Oral Roberts, Hampton, Robert Morris, and the like. The true elite.

Hell, we can’t even be up there with FAU and WKU in CDOA football. They’ve won more titles in less time than we have.
But whatever floats the boat

 

[muthed]

Hell, we can’t even be up there with FAU and WKU in CDOA football. They’ve won more titles in less time than we have.
But whatever floats the boat

C'mon Twolf. Sam doesn't want to talk about the football failures of the last 11 years. He only wants to diss on the bball program.

 

[5150]

34 teams, including such high profile programs as Arkansas - Pine Bluff, Coppin State, North Carolina A&T, and Wayne State, have won exactly one NCAA game. Well over 180 schools have more than one win, including such programs as Alcorn State (3), Detroit Mercy (3), Lamar (5), Little Miami (6), Morehead State (6), Niagara (2), North Carolina - Asheville (2), Ohio (7), Oklahoma City College (8), Stephen F. Austin State (2), and Vermont (2).

But, forget all that. Once, from 4th place, we got on a 8 day hot streak and beat one mid-major team. It might happen again some day.

Then we can be up there with Bucknell, Buffalo, Oral Roberts, Hampton, Robert Morris, and the like. The true elite.

Marshall has one win and Dan did it for Marshall, and you want him gone! Ok! Makes zero sense.

 

[johns1124]

Marshall has one win and Dan did it for Marshall, and you want him gone! Ok! Makes zero sense.

So you think Dan is the only person who could get MU an NCAA win?

 

[KyMUfan]

So you think Dan is the only person who could get MU an NCAA win?

Others have had their chances and didn't get it done. So far he is the only one to have gotten it done. Just saying...

 

[5150]

So you think Dan is the only person who could get MU an NCAA win?

History to this point says yes

 

[johns1124]

Hell, we can’t even be up there with FAU and WKU in CDOA football

Really?

(Vs. Record)

MU 7 FAU 1

MU 8 WKU 4

mcubed.net : NCAA Football : Series Records : Marshall vs. FBS teams (all games)

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

Really?

(Vs. Record)

MU 7 FAU 1

MU 8 WKU 4

mcubed.net : NCAA Football : Series Records : Marshall vs. FBS teams (all games)

Read the post. Talking titles Bud. They both have two, in less time than we do. Doc choked. Hopefully Huff will get it right.