Missouri Athlete Boycott Bill

[extragreen]

bull, those same people have to have an id to buy beer can show an id to vote. By the way why is it only a hardship on minorities? Are there no poor whites? For goodness sake eg argue about guns, God and Obama/Bush but please just stop it with saying asking for an id to vote suppresses black turnout!

First, the laws were proposed and enacted in states considered to be swing states, where Republicans controlled the government in both chambers, and where minority populations are having more impact on election results. Secondly, a higher percentage of whites already have the IDs needed than do blacks. Thirdly, republicans posed these ID laws to reduce voter fraud, but failed to mention that in-person voter fraud is close to nonexistent. You know this was the reason for the photo ID laws, unless you believe the GOP is too stupid to realize that in-person voter fraud is extremely rare.

 

[ohio herd]

First, the laws were proposed and enacted in states considered to be swing states, where Republicans controlled the government in both chambers, and where minority populations are having more impact on election results. Secondly, a higher percentage of whites already have the IDs needed than do blacks. Thirdly, republicans posed these ID laws to reduce voter fraud, but failed to mention that in-person voter fraud is close to nonexistent. You know this was the reason for the photo ID laws, unless you believe the GOP is too stupid to realize that in-person voter fraud is extremely rare.

thats your view. How do you explain precincts where 99.9% vote for Obama? Look, think what you will but having to show an id to vote is no big deal. Otherwise we should just trust everyone to buy beer and no longer expect people to show an id to but a gun. What about precincts that have more people vote than are registered. This is 2015 everyone especially in big cities can get an id. Admit it you love the saying vote early and often

 

[i am herdman]

It honestly is still not a big deal and I think you can still vote but it can be contested. Not 100% sure but where I live, I think that is the way it works.

 

[extragreen]

thats your view. How do you explain precincts where 99.9% vote for Obama? Look, think what you will but having to show an id to vote is no big deal. Otherwise we should just trust everyone to buy beer and no longer expect people to show an id to but a gun. What about precincts that have more people vote than are registered. This is 2015 everyone especially in big cities can get an id. Admit it you love the saying vote early and often

Yeah, and you can have your own view too. The 99.9% vote for Obama in an almost entirely black precinct would be expected, since he got 93% of the black vote nationally. And you know as well as I do that the photo ID laws are an effort to reduce black turnout. Once again, if you believe otherwise, then you believe the GOP is too stupid to realize that in-person voter fraud is almost nonexistent. It would be similar to passing a law that you had to wear boots in the summer to keep your feet warm. Let's see a link to a credible source where more people vote in a precinct than what were registered.

 

[ThunderCat98]

It's not a big problem for the vast majority of us. But for some it can cost them $$ and for some the place they have to go to get the IDs is not nearby.

A state could issue free IDs to those that don't have driver's licenses. Problem solved. But dems don't want that. Why? Because it would reduce voter fraud.

As for your argument that in-person fraud is non-existent, how would you know that? There is no accurate way to track it. The only fraud that can be reported is that which is uncovered. Therefore successful fraud goes undetected. With the small percentage of registered voters that actually turn out, fraud wouldn't be that difficult at all.

As for travel, that is a bullsh*t argument. Every state, city, town, township, municipality, or whatever has local government offices that service those in their area. Besides, if these people can find a ride to the polls, they can find a ride to get an ID.

 

[ThunderCat98]

Btw, thanks for acknowledging you think black people are too poor to get IDs and too stupid to get a ride. At least you admit your party engages in institutionalized racism to keep it afloat. Where's the outrage over Greed's racist comments, Fever?

 

[raleighherdfan]

Thunder makes a great point about Greeds stereotypical excuses based on his own racist beliefs.

Are we to believe that blacks are never carded for alcohol or cold medicine at the pharmacy? Additionally many of these so called "swing states" also made it easier to actually get an ID. NC being one. There simply isn't an excuse for not getting one.

I would even suggest that Dems actually support this behind closed doors. Knowing that Dems usually support all efforts of being involved in every other aspect of managing our personal lives, but suddenly are not interested in wanting to know when we vote is ludicrous. This will all someday be the govt. knowing WHO we vote for. For our "protection" of course.

 

[extragreen]

A state could issue free IDs to those that don't have driver's licenses. Problem solved. But dems don't want that. Why? Because it would reduce voter fraud.

As for your argument that in-person fraud is non-existent, how would you know that? There is no accurate way to track it. The only fraud that can be reported is that which is uncovered. Therefore successful fraud goes undetected. With the small percentage of registered voters that actually turn out, fraud wouldn't be that difficult at all.

As for travel, that is a bullsh*t argument. Every state, city, town, township, municipality, or whatever has local government offices that service those in their area. Besides, if these people can find a ride to the polls, they can find a ride to get an ID.

YOU: I think we should pass a law that everyone has to wear boots in the summer to keep their feet warm. E G: Wait a minute, only a nearly nonexistent number of people have their feet get cold in the summer. YOG:: But there might be someone out there whose feet get cold that we don't know about. E G: You dont think maybe the bootmakers are behind this law? YOU: nuh uh

You're an idiot if you think the reason behind the photo ID law is to stop in-person voter fraud. And as for "free" photo ids, yep the ids are free but the necessary proof to get the free ids is not.

 

[i am herdman]

Green, what is the ID behind the ID card in order to vote? The necessary proof is free. From the State of NC, Not sure it could be any easier. Plus, I think you can still vote, but your vote can be contested.

Requirements & Documents to Obtain a No-Fee Voter ID Card
There is no fee charged for a North Carolina ID Card for an individual registered to vote in North Carolina who does not have acceptable photo identification under N.C. General Statute 163-166.13.

To obtain a No Fee Voter ID card, you must sign a declaration stating that you do not have an acceptable photo ID. If you already have an acceptable photo ID, you are not eligible to receive a No Fee Voter ID.

You must also be registered to vote. If you are not a registered voter, DMV will assist you in completing your voter registration application during your visit, and you will still be eligible for your No Fee Voter ID.

Proof of Age & Identity

• You must provide two documents from this category which provide your full name and date of birth. If you are unable to provide two forms of identification from the approved list of acceptable documents, DMV will review documents that you have in your possession to assist in verifying your identity. Documents that you may present as proof of age and identity, provided they include your full name (including your middle name), are listed in Table (1):
  Acceptable Documents

Valid Social Security Number

• You must provide a valid Social Security Number (SSN). If DMV is unable to verify your SSN with the Social Security Administration, you may be required to present documentation of your SSN. Documents that you may present as proof of SSN are listed in Table (2):
  Acceptable Documents

Proof of Citizenship & Residency

• To obtain a N.C. Voter ID card, you must be a U.S. citizen and a N.C. resident. Documents that you may present as proof of residency are listed in Table (3):
  Acceptable Documents
  
• For all of the requirements to obtain a Voter ID, please refer to Table (4):
  Acceptable Documents

All ID cards, including driver’s licenses, are mailed to customers, which may take up to 10 days. When your application is accepted, you will be provided with a receipt upon request. Your receipt cannot be used for identification or voting purposes.

 

[ThunderCat98]

You're an idiot if you think the reason behind the photo ID law is to stop in-person voter fraud. And as for "free" photo ids, yep the ids are free but the necessary proof to get the free ids is not.

The only idiot is the person that thinks minorities are too poor or too stupid to obtain government-issued IDs.

As for your attempted analogy. It's so bad, I'm not even going to bother responding to it.

Btw, Herdman just blew your argument re: the expense of IDd out of the water.

Frankly, this boils down to one of two things. Either you lack the common sense to understand the ease with which a voter ID law could be enacted, or you are on board with your party's institutionalized racism. Which is it, Greed?

 

[extragreen]

Green, what is the ID behind the ID card in order to vote? The necessary proof is free. From the State of NC, Not sure it could be any easier. Plus, I think you can still vote, but your vote can be contested.


Proof of Age & Identity
Acceptable Documents

1.Drivers license cost $$
2. Certified birth certificate cost $$
3. Original SS card is free, but documents to get SS card may cost $$
4. Tax forms ??
5. Motor vehicle drivers record cost $$
6. School transcripts ??
7. military ID xx
8. Passport cost $$
9. Certified document from a Register of Deeds or
government agency (almost all certified documents cost $$)
10. Limited Driving Privilege issued by a NC court costs $$
11. Valid, unexpired documents issued by DHS/USCIS ??
12. Court documents from U.S. jurisdiction, Puerto
Rico, U.S. territories or Canada ??

7 of the 12 cost money and you have to provide 2 of them.

 

[extragreen]

The only idiot is the person that thinks minorities are too poor or too stupid to obtain government-issued IDs.

As for your attempted analogy. It's so bad, I'm not even going to bother responding to it.

Btw, Herdman just blew your argument re: the expense of IDd out of the water.

Frankly, this boils down to one of two things. Either you lack the common sense to understand the ease with which a voter ID law could be enacted, or you are on board with your party's institutionalized racism. Which is it, Greed?

You're just too much idiot.

 

[ThunderCat98]

 

[ThunderCat98]

 

[ThunderCat98]

 

[extragreen]

I can always count on you to prove my point.

 

[ThunderCat98]

I can always count on you to prove my point.

Let's be real here. If we took a HN poll re: who the biggest idiot is, you'd win by a landslide. Fever and d-tard would run neck and neck for second (my vote would be for fever, based solely on current trends), but you'd have first place all to yourself.

 

[extragreen]

Let's be real here. If we took a HN poll re: who the biggest idiot is, you'd win by a landslide. Fever and d-tard would run neck and neck for second (my vote would be for fever, based solely on current trends), but you'd have first place all to yourself.

Wouldn't that just be devastating. That would change my mind about everything.*

 

[herdfan06]

Let's be real here. If we took a HN poll re: who the biggest idiot is, you'd win by a landslide. Fever and d-tard would run neck and neck for second (my vote would be for fever, based solely on current trends), but you'd have first place all to yourself.

I do not think D-Tard is as big of a moron as everyone thinks, I think he is just bored and wants to rile some people up because I have seen on very rare occasion (although it has probably been close to two years) very well written responses from him.

 

[herdfan06]

Actually got it from State Farm. Also have my Roth IRA and a 401K

Do you max out your ROTH at $5,500?

 

[Herd Fever]

Never understood the concept of why Felons can't vote

 

[i am herdman]

Never understood the concept of why Felons can't vote

Are you really that moronic?

 

[NoMoreIdiots]

I do not think D-Tard is as big of a moron as everyone thinks, I think he is just bored and wants to rile some people up because I have seen on very rare occasion (although it has probably been close to two years) very well written responses from him.

Yeah, if he's tired he'll copy and paste a coherent article without capitalizing random letters.

 

[herdfan06]

Never understood the concept of why Felons can't vote

You are referring to after they have been released and satisfied all of the requirements of their legal sentence, correct?

 

[herdfan06]

Yeah, if he's tired he'll copy and paste a coherent article without capitalizing random letters.

I believe it has occurred due to him forgetting to log out of his regular account.