Strictly talking football, MU has only been to Texas 3 times since 2013.Yep. We have no business flying all our teams to Texas multiple times a year.
That’s true but it’s the other sports that cost us as well. Just brutal trips, economically and otherwise. JmoStrictly talking football, MU has only been to Texas 3 times since 2013.
2019 @ Rice
2017 @ UTSA
2016 @ North Texas
Not saying I disagree MU would benefit from moving away from Texas however.
I posted the tweet more for the bottom half that mentioned C-USA and SunBelt schools talking about forming a new conference. I think JMU and North Dakota State would both do well in FBS.Honest question: are there any teams in FCS playing ball right now where you just feel like its unfair that they're playing in FCS? (Like unfair to other teams, because they're so damned good.) Do you think this team could go 6-6 in the AAC once every 6-8 years?
There are no sleeping UCFs hanging out in FCS. Not anymore. For the last 30 years, every generation of FCS champs moves up to FBS, leaving the second rung to move up and win their championships, move up to FBS, leaving the third rung to win their championships, move up...
At this point, we're talking about the best of what's left after the best of what's left after all the best left.
Honest question: are there any teams in FCS playing ball right now where you just feel like its unfair that they're playing in FCS? (Like unfair to other teams, because they're so damned good.) Do you think this team could go 6-6 in the AAC once every 6-8 years?
There are no sleeping UCFs hanging out in FCS. Not anymore. For the last 30 years, every generation of FCS champs moves up to FBS, leaving the second rung to move up and win their championships, move up to FBS, leaving the third rung to win their championships, move up...
At this point, we're talking about the best of what's left after the best of what's left after all the best left.
Personally I have no interest in being associated with even more FCS schools moving to FBS. ODU and Charlotte, in football, was not the best move even if I was hopeful at the time due to all this "potential", shoulda went after App and G. Southern. If a more eastern based conference is desired, I would hope it would involve schools who are already FBS and have the same desires. Been beat to death, but a best of the rest between the belt and CUSA would be best for us, though I doubt that happens. The TV contracts would have to increase to make it lucrative to do though for a best of the rest. Considering we fly almost everywhere, I don't see how any change would really help our bottom line unless we have more drivable games and a revamped conference offered more media, advertising $$$$.
How much of a difference would NDSU travel make over say the CUSA schools in Texas?I posted the tweet more for the bottom half that mentioned C-USA and SunBelt schools talking about forming a new conference. I think JMU and North Dakota State would both do well in FBS.
We may never know if CUSA ever offered someone like App State an invitation or not. Perhaps we did and App didn't find it necessary at the time to join, who knows.Personally I have no interest in being associated with even more FCS schools moving to FBS. ODU and Charlotte, in football, was not the best move even if I was hopeful at the time due to all this "potential", shoulda went after App and G. Southern. If a more eastern based conference is desired, I would hope it would involve schools who are already FBS and have the same desires. Been beat to death, but a best of the rest between the belt and CUSA would be best for us, though I doubt that happens. The TV contracts would have to increase to make it lucrative to do though for a best of the rest. Considering we fly almost everywhere, I don't see how any change would really help our bottom line unless we have more drivable games and a revamped conference offered more media, advertising $$$$.
They’d obviously fall into a Mountain West conference im sure. The question was posed which FCS teams would do well in FBS. NDSU would be the G5 NY6 rep within a year or two the way they’ve been playing.How much of a difference would NDSU travel make over say the CUSA schools in Texas?
This is a conference I would like to see:
North Division
Marshall
Liberty
JMU
ODU
WKU
MTSU
South Division
Appt St
UNCC
Ga Southern
Coastal Carolina
FAU
FIU
I recall going to their boards when UConn left the AAC in football. The talk was adding JMU (and somehow ODU, which shows how stupid people can be) to it. Their own fans even doubted they could join, claiming it basically to being, "a new hire on the floor to being company president" sort of thing.Another long thread about I-AA James Madison. Which HAS NOT APPLIED to join I-A. Yawn.
Another long thread about I-AA James Madison. Which HAS NOT APPLIED to join I-A. Yawn.
I understand the athletic department is bleeding money bad! I have also heard some are concerned the baseball field will get built, and yes a new conference is possible. The problem the changing conferences is the exit and entry fees. The travel costs continue to be a issue. Im not sure what options we have but the athletic department is in troubleThis needs to be the basis for our next conference, all schools have good support and attendance minus WKU and MTSU
Arkansas State
ULL
Louisiana Tech
UAB
Troy
Southern Miss
Marshall
Georgia Southern
Appalachian State
FAU
WKU
MTSU
Every AD is in trouble. The big schools have even bigger issues as they base their budgets on media dollars. If the media contracts go be the wayside or are cut significantly, P5 schools will be forced to make very tough choices.I understand the athletic department is bleeding money bad! I have also heard some are concerned the baseball field will get built, and yes a new conference is possible. The problem the changing conferences is the exit and entry fees. The travel costs continue to be a issue. Im not sure what options we have but the athletic department is in trouble
Every AD is in trouble. The big schools have even bigger issues as they base their budgets on media dollars. If the media contracts go be the wayside or are cut significantly, P5 schools will be forced to make very tough choices.
OSU has laid off 25 people in their AD and faces something like a 71 Million dollar deficit in their budget.
Marshall is actually in better shape since we don’t rely on such dollars.
Yep. Mike's done a good job keeping us from hemorrhaging. The big schools will suffer the most when/if the media contracts are cut. WVU is not self sufficient, nor have they ever been. B12 money get's cut, they are in deep doo doo. Disney is not looking good, laying off 28K workers and ESPN has trimmed it's workforce as well - that may play a role on media money going forward. jmoMU has had plenty of practice operating with such limited finances, thanks to the state senate only supporting wvu.
Honest question: do you think NDSU would be one of the better teams in the AAC? James Madison?Besides NDSU, James Madison would also be a solid FBS program from day one, and they have the facilities, support, and location to be a player from day one in the MAC and C-USA.
there was a story that came about a month ago that said TV contracts will increase next cycle. The overall message in the story was "hold on help is on the way with new contracts".Yep. Mike's done a good job keeping us from hemorrhaging. The big schools will suffer the most when/if the media contracts are cut. WVU is not self sufficient, nor have they ever been. B12 money get's cut, they are in deep doo doo. Disney is not looking good, laying off 28K workers and ESPN has trimmed it's workforce as well - that may play a role on media money going forward. jmo
I wouldn't hold my breath on monies increasing. They may, but I wouldn't bet on it based on the current situation.there was a story that came about a month ago that said TV contracts will increase next cycle. The overall message in the story was "hold on help is on the way with new contracts".
Its my understanding that Mike is being forced to dip into savings thus putting the baseball project on hold
Honest question: do you think NDSU would be one of the better teams in the AAC? James Madison?
I thought that the baseball/Gullickson project is to be 100% private donations like the IPF wasI wouldn't hold my breath on monies increasing. They may, but I wouldn't bet on it based on the current situation.
No doubt Mike is dipping into savings, wouldn't shock me. I doubt the field is built for another 3-4 years, until we get all the funds in pocket from private donations. jmho
It is. No state or school money will be used. That's why I guess it won't be built for a while until all monies are in pocket. I don't doubt he may dip into any savings to keep our current budget afloat - as another poster insinuated.I thought that the baseball/Gullickson project is to be 100% private donations like the IPF was
The IPF was built in part using matching funds from the Bucks for Brains Program, where the state matched donations to improvement or construction of academic facilities. We used the sports medicine program as a justification, essentially claiming the IPF was being built as a classroom for those students, despite being pretty much 90% for football (and 10% for Title IX-friendly track and field sports). I believe the total amount we got from the state was $5 million, which was a match for Chris Cline's donation.I thought that the baseball/Gullickson project is to be 100% private donations like the IPF was
Honest question: do you think NDSU would be one of the better teams in the AAC? James Madison?
Totally agree with you about NDSU being a very good team, but they actually epitomize my belief that today's FCS royalty have moved into a vacuum left by the bigger, more established I-AA programs moving to FBS at the turn of the century. NDSU was Division II until 2003, when they joined FCS following the exit of the "old guard" to FBS. Their run began eight years later, and has continued since.Put something in here so you can show you're replying to my post
Personally, I think there needs to be another separate division. Something with the best of the poors (FCS) and those poors that think they'll one day be rich & famous (the G5s)I put something here as well
Totally agree with you about NDSU being a very good team, but they actually epitomize my belief that today's FCS royalty have moved into a vacuum left by the bigger, more established I-AA programs moving to FBS at the turn of the century. NDSU was Division II until 2003, when they joined FCS following the exit of the "old guard" to FBS. Their run began eight years later, and has continued since.
Moving up, they'd get the aforementioned additional scholarships, but they'd also get a lot more parity, and that .999 winning percentage would almost certainly take a hit. Even more critical, they would go from playing for an annual championship to playing for a mid-December bowl game against a MAC team on a Tuesday afternoon, or the narrow opportunity to play a Top 10 P5 team in a game that really has no consequence maybe once a decade.
souvernier
but at one point Marshall was the "winningest team of the 1990's"
I don't think NDSU's success is due to Texas State, Marshall, App State, ODU, FAU, Charlotte, Coastal, etc. moving up.
I would say they certainly have. No question. Be cool to see a game against our 96 team and the best NDSU team.To rebut, I'd like to supply two lists for your consideration. One is of the extensive list of programs that Marshall used to compete against in I-AA that moved up to FBS before or shortly after the time NDSU began its reign of terror:
Appy State
Arkansas State
Boise State
Liberty
UL Monroe
Louisiana Tech
UMass
Middle Tennessee State
Nevada
North Texas
Texas State
Troy
UAB
UConn
Western Kentucky
The second, is the list of programs that didn't play D-I prior to Marshall moving up to I-A, joined FCS for a quick cup of coffee, and then moved up to FBS themselves, completely bypassing the niche of college football that the NDSU competes on, and now dominates:
Buffalo
UCF
UNC-Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
FIU
FAU
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Old Dominion
USF
UTSA
To me, it's hard to look at those lists and not think NDSU hasn't benefitted significantly from existing in the narrow competitive purgatory that has become FCS.
To rebut, I'd like to supply two lists for your consideration. One is of the extensive list of programs that Marshall used to compete against in I-AA that moved up to FBS before or shortly after the time NDSU began its reign of terror:
Appy State
Arkansas State
Boise State
Liberty
UL Monroe
Louisiana Tech
UMass
Middle Tennessee State
Nevada
North Texas
Texas State
Troy
UAB
UConn
Western Kentucky
Correct. Although I do see one mistake, didn't we play Georgia Southern while in the Southern Conference? Other than that looks about rightTo rebut, I'd like to supply two lists for your consideration. One is of the extensive list of programs that Marshall used to compete against in I-AA that moved up to FBS before or shortly after the time NDSU began its reign of terror:
Appy State
Arkansas State
Boise State
Liberty
UL Monroe
Louisiana Tech
UMass
Middle Tennessee State
Nevada
North Texas
Texas State
Troy
UAB
UConn
Western Kentucky
The second, is the list of programs that didn't play D-I prior to Marshall moving up to I-A, joined FCS for a quick cup of coffee, and then moved up to FBS themselves, completely bypassing the niche of college football that the NDSU competes on, and now dominates:
Buffalo
UCF
UNC-Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
FIU
FAU
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Old Dominion
USF
UTSA
To me, it's hard to look at those lists and not think NDSU hasn't benefitted significantly from existing in the narrow competitive purgatory that has become FCS.
I have questions for rifle. Did your coaching skills get NDSU to the level that they currently are? How many of their players have you recruited/coached?I don't think NDSU's success is due to Texas State, Marshall, App State, ODU, FAU, Charlotte, Coastal, etc. moving up. Sure, a few of those schools would be competition based on them having previously had good attendance/facilities for FCS, but NDSU is dominating even with a bunch of teams with just as good attendance/facilities as the Texas State/Marshall/Coastal, Charlotte, etc. had.
Would having more of those upper FCS teams increase the chance of getting knocked off in the playoffs? Sure. But NDSU isn't squeaking by most teams on its way to domination (and that includes many of their wins over FBS teams). They are dominating them. Having to face one more challenging team in the playoffs wouldn't be much of a speed bump to them.
Fair point. NDSU is beating a lot of FBS teams on recruits now due to the recruits knowing they can do just that - play for a national championship in front of more fans each home game than playing in a meaningless bowl game with less attendance most home games. Now, with another NDSU player about to be a first rounder, the recruits know they have just as much of an NFL opportunity as they would at FAU or WMU.
If NDSU moved to the AAC and went 8-4 or to C-USA and went 10-2, would they be just as appealing to recruits? Probably for some, yes, and probably for others, nope.
Not the way I recommend.
What NDSU is doing compared to what Marshall did is entirely different. Marshall went 2-3 over six years in national championship games. NDSU has gone 8-0 over nine years in national championship games. Based on being so much more accomplished than Marshall, I don't see their slide to the depths of mediocrity nearly as likely or as soon.