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[The Real SamC]

“Mean mean man says true things I don’t like. I will call him ‘ignorant’”

Because you don’t have a take. Because it is not intellectually possible to defend not firing DD.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

What are you even talking about?

Again, what are you talking about? When they play one-dimensional they are terrible and lose, often by large margins.

When they do things differently such as not running the offense through Kinsey they play better. What is so hard to understand about that???

So you think Kinsey is an NBA level talent? Would love to hear your talent assessment for this...

About the only thing that you have said that has some rationale behind it.

There is no rotation and guys will disappear for games at a time (think Marko).

Your attempts to argue are actually proving my point.

You keep admitting that when MU plays a certain style of ball, they lose.
I say MU should have stopped playing said style ball a long time ago.
You now say for 2 games with miles apart from each other, that MU can possibly win the conference based on 1 win and "being close with 1 minute left."
Such a ratio would destroy your program if given more time.

 

[Herd1972]

“Mean mean man says true things I don’t like. I will call him ‘ignorant’”

Because you don’t have a take. Because it is not intellectually possible to defend not firing DD.

I have a take, you have a take, others have a take. It simply does not matter. It is all hot air!
Our comments are either positive or negative. Helpful or hurtful! It really is that simple!!

I will always support our coaches and athletes until folks with authority decide to make changes! I will then support their decisions! Truly not hard. We simply do not have any power in these determinations.

 

[KyMUfan]

Your attempts to argue are actually proving my point.

😂😂😂

I make a relatively benign comment that this year's team has proven they can play well in spite of losing often, and by large margins at times. You have responded with how many posts "attempting to argue" yet now are trying to project on me that I am attempting to argue???

If I was attempting to argue you'd know it. Only thing that is being proven is you evidently didn't get my original statement and keep doubling down in an attempt to make it into something that it isn't.

BTW I'm old enough to remember when Ernie Salvatore referred to us as "The Faithful". I still have some, even with this year's team. Sorry you evidently don't...☹️

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

😂😂😂

I make a relatively benign comment that this year's team has proven they can play well in spite of losing often, and by large margins at times. You have responded with how many posts "attempting to argue" yet now are trying to project on me that I am attempting to argue???

If I was attempting to argue you'd know it. Only thing that is being proven is you evidently didn't get my original statement and keep doubling down in an attempt to make it into something that it isn't.

BTW I'm old enough to remember when Ernie Salvatore referred to us as "The Faithful". I still have some, even with this year's team. Sorry you evidently don't...☹️

12 conference games played and 2 have been won.

MU is not competitive this season at all.

Sorry about your faith...I'm placing mine on things MU can actually compete in.

 

[KyMUfan]

12 conference games played and 2 have been won.

I established that very fact earlier in the thread yet you keep repeating it. Yeah, we get it...

Keep trying...

 

[W-S HerdFan]

I have a take, you have a take, others have a take. It simply does not matter. It is all hot air!
Our comments are either positive or negative. Helpful or hurtful! It really is that simple!!

I will always support our coaches and athletes until folks with authority decide to make changes! I will then support their decisions! Truly not hard. We simply do not have any power in these determinations.

This last paragraph encapsulates Sam’s & Perkin’s mantras the entire length of Doc’s tenure!! Prove me wrong, Sam. You NEVER typed “Fire Doc”. Not once, ever.

 

[Crawdad345]

While the “once, from 4th place, we went on an 8 day hot streak, it might happen again some day” EXCUSE has been bandied about here every year, you are really going there THIS year?

The only thing Marshall has proven this year is that it is among the worst teams in the country, with a coach that will not admit that his gimmick offense doesn’t work, and manned with non-DI talent, because his lazy recruiting and delusions about the population/economic status of southern WV have caught up to him. Nothing more.

Woulda coulda shoulda that we only were beaten narrowly by this or that garbage team in this garbage conference are irrelevant.

You are what your record says you are.

Our record says, seeded last, should lose the play-in game. Then the powers that be have to make a decision. Do the right thing, which is fire DD, fire the staff, get in a qualified coach, run off as many of these players as possible. Or admit that we are making a token effort at basketball and really don’t care.

Fire DD.

Sorry Sam, I don't think DD will be going anywhere. This very school has recently shown that they are willing to keep a garbage coach in a revenue sport for eleven years based on one good season in 2014. And even then it was against the will of the athletic director.

Also, I don't believe it would do any good to fire DD. I have several reasons for this opinion. They are White, Jirsa, Herrion, Snyder, Freeman, Holiday and Jones. I won't include Huff even though his winning percentage is barely over .500 because the sample size is too small to make good call. To think the leadership will do better this time just because they will is......well, you know.

 

[muthed]

I can give lots of credit.

When the leadership does the right thing and fires DD, and thus signals an institutional commitment to legitimate effort at men’s basketball, I will be the first to praise them.

As to the football stuff, basketball thread, basketball season. Take it elsewhere.

Fire DD.

whf - post # 20
sam - post # 25
Both reference FOOTBALL, so yes, we are also talking about football in this thread.

 

[19MU88]

“Mean mean man says true things I don’t like. I will call him ‘ignorant’”

Because you don’t have a take. Because it is not intellectually possible to defend not firing DD.

well you are half right, I don't have a take on it, I know we are at or near the end of the DD era regardless so no, I don't run around here daily screaming "fire Dan fire Dan" like you do.

many people are saying fire DD, I haven't said anything to them, now have I? and I didn't defend DD or disagree with your frantic pleas to fire him. it was your plain old ignorance and stupidity that I addressed.

 

[The Real SamC]

well you are half right, I don't have a take on it, I know we are at or near the end of the DD era regardless so no, I don't run around here daily screaming "fire Dan fire Dan" like you do.

many people are saying fire DD, I haven't said anything to them, now have I? and I didn't defend DD or disagree with your frantic pleas to fire him. it was your plain old ignorance and stupidity that I addressed.

I don’t know what that even means. We who understand basketball are having a discussion, and have pretty much come to a consensus that it is time to get serious about men’s basketball, which means firing DD.

You don’t like that, so you spew out meaningless words about how people who disagree with you are “ignorant” or whatever. Childish.

DD has been exposed in this year for what he is and has always been. Eight day hot streak notwithstanding.

Fire DD.

 

[19MU88]

I don’t know what that even means. We who understand basketball are having a discussion, and have pretty much come to a consensus that it is time to get serious about men’s basketball, which means firing DD.

You don’t like that, so you spew out meaningless words about how people who disagree with you are “ignorant” or whatever. Childish.

DD has been exposed in this year for what he is and has always been. Eight day hot streak notwithstanding.

Fire DD.

At this point I'd question your literacy or ability to understand English.

Again, I addressed your simple minded comment about the offense being only jacking threes. That and your ignorance about both leagues.

carry on with your frantic pleas but just cut to the chase, "fire DD" works by itself and most agree with you. So no need to display your ignorance, it only hurts your credibility as you call for a change.

 

[The Real SamC]

At this point I'd question your literacy or ability to understand English.

Probably. When children lose arguments, they generally resort to name calling and insulting those who have the superior point.

 

[19MU88]

Probably. When children lose arguments, they generally resort to name calling and insulting those who have the superior point.

if only I were arguing with you.

 

[KyMUfan]

Marshall has beaten exactly 2 teams in conference this season.

Make it 3 now... Avenging an earlier 15 point loss to ODU.

I took one of my managers to his first MU game tonight.

His takeaways - he enjoyed the game and the atmosphere. Was impressed with Andy's game. Doesn't think Kinsey is NBA material. Wondered what goes through Beyers head...

My take - DD seemed to actually play a rotation and Marko responded. Entire team played with more confidence, especially Goran and Marko.

Andy played well and smart. Becoming more apparent to me Kinsey's deliberate style of play is a problem. His dribbling allows the defense to reset. Early in the game ODU was double switching, effectively triple teaming Kinsey on the dribble. Two teammates should be open. We don't attack, and attack quickly, when that happens.

This deliberate style also ran down the clock too much at least a couple of times down the stretch resulting in wasted possessions. Kinsey missing the front end of the bonus twice didn't help matters.

Much better play with more intensity and effort. Enjoyable to watch.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

Make it 3 now... Avenging an earlier 15 point loss to ODU.

...and at the bottom of the conference East still.

 

[KyMUfan]

...and at the bottom of the conference East still.

We know Eeyore...

 

[W-S HerdFan]

GHMY - Just to save you the brain power: The likelihood that we avoid the play-in game is 30% or less. Too many things have to fall in place for it to happen imo. Just enjoy any wins that come along in the next couple of weeks....

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

GHMY - Just to save you the brain power: The likelihood that we avoid the play-in game is 30% or less. Too many things have to fall in place for it to happen imo. Just enjoy any wins that come along in the next couple of weeks....

No dice.
This fanbase complained when MU won in football.

 

[W-S HerdFan]

Can we say Amen! on soccer, perhaps?

 

[KyMUfan]

Just enjoy any wins that come along in the next couple of weeks....

Is it me or does it seem that some here are actively wanting Marshall to lose the remaining basketball games to "prove" their points???☹️

 

[KyMUfan]

Sorry about your faith...I'm placing mine on things MU can actually compete in.

This isn't for your benefit but for The Faithful that you evidently don't understand.

Faithful... As a very young boy I didn't understand why my dad was called to set-up a triage on November 14, 1970 nor did I understand why my mother was crying unconsolablly when he later called her with the gut-wrenching news. I didn't even know what death was at the time. But I later found out.

I, like many others of The Faithful, lived and suffered through losing season after losing season, often comforted by the ever hopeful words of Ernie Salvatore the day after a particularly painful loss, of which there were many.

Marshall football during this time was a desolate wasteland, with only an occasional oasis during basketball season. We had Carl Tacy for but one season, arguably Marshall's best team ever. Had I chosen to be a fair weather fan and boycott this year's team I would have missed the recent 50 year tribute to them at The Cam. They deserved that The Faithful be on hand to thank them for a job well done.

I watched many games at the Fieldhouse and excitement for Marshall basketball was running high when Stu Aberdeen was hired. But again tragedy would strike Marshall athletics.

Soon after this the Thundering Herd football team posted its first winning season in 20 years. The Faithful that endured those losing seasons finally saw some success. However more agonizing losses followed, including a heart-breaking loss in the 1987 national championship game. Yet The Faithful remained faithful and later experienced two national championship wins and an undefeated season after the jump to D1.

About the same time this football run began Marshall experienced a revival in men's basketball. Two NCAA tournament appearances and one NIT appearance in a 4 year span. Huckabay had a 69% winning percentage over his six seasons at Marshall, a number that hasn't been matched since, even by two perennial NCAA tournament coaches, one of whom won back to back national championships.

The Faithful were enjoying Huckabay's years, but as had happened in the past and future in both football and basketball, internal strife in the university brought that Era to an end.

Lean times followed with 7 straight losing seasons during the 2000's. A few years later one of The Faithful's favorite sons was hired. He posted six consecutive winning seasons from 2015-2021, something that had not been done since the 9 straight winning seasons of 1979-1988, a period of over 30 years. He also accomplished something that had never been done before, that being Marshall's first and only NCAA tournament victory.

So yeah, I'll continue to be Faithful and you can continue to live in your fantasy land that Marshall basketball can magically become something it hasn't been for 50 years, regardless of who the coach has been and we've had a few good ones.

And before you say I'm settling remember building a successful program takes money. The Herd is 9 out of 14 CUSA teams in basketball budget. What have you done to improve this situation?

 

[KyMUfan]

Marshall's First Title Brings A Different Appreciation...What Ernie Would Have Said - Press Pros Magazine

After 184 years Marshall University finally won its first Division I-A NCAA title - in anything - Monday night. And somewhere the man who once wrote about them so faithfully must have been smiling.

pressprosmagazine.com

"Salvatore’s words made me a Marshall fan for life!"

 

[KyMUfan]

So from recent information the average annual basketball expenditures for CUSA schools is $2.8 million. For reference here is the average of several conferences:

ACC - $10.1 million
B10 - $8.8
B12 - $9.3
SEC - $8.9
CUSA - $2.8
MAC - $2.35
SB - $2.0

WVU is above the B12 average @ $9.5. MU is below the CUSA average at $2.5, placing it 9 out of 14 member teams.

Looking at our regular season conference results during DD's tenure, we have finished 11, 3, 6, 4, 2, 4, 5 and currently 12.

An extra $300k to $1 million per year could go a long way to a practice facility, recruiting trips, higher quality coaching staff, etc. It isn't going to happen with people sitting on the sidelines. It is on all of us to commit to the university. MU has made some very positive moves lately and the new AD should be a good hire as well.

How much does your school spend on its men’s basketball program?

We’ve got numbers.

www.midmajormadness.com

 

[KyMUfan]

Last post for a while.

DD's $500k per year is approximately 20% of MU basketball budget.

Huggins' $4 million is approximately 42% of WVU's budget.

Think about that...

 

[W-S HerdFan]

KenTuck - great posts! We are probably close in age (I’m 62) and have similar memories. That ‘71-‘72 Herd men’s team was a salve desperately needed by a hurting city/school. Under normal times, there would have been excitement, but 1 year removed from The Crash? It was more like a religious experience! We ALL went down to the river. I had a brief moment about 5 years ago to meet Carl Tacy. In the 3 minutes we were 1 on 1, I was trying to explain how much he & that team meant to the community. We parted, and I sensed he would like to have heard more.
Point being: Don’t let anybody tell you Marshall isn’t a basketball town! If you have attended a home game in the last 7 years, you could feel it. Times change, coaches change, players change. But - in a close game, when the boys need a lift? There is nothing better than being a part of “Let’s go Herd” !!! from deep down!!
WS

 

[KyMUfan]

KenTuck - great posts! We are probably close in age (I’m 62) and have similar memories. That ‘71-‘72 Herd men’s team was a salve desperately needed by a hurting city/school. Under normal times, there would have been excitement, but 1 year removed from The Crash? It was more like a religious experience! We ALL went down to the river. I had a brief moment about 5 years ago to meet Carl Tacy. In the 3 minutes we were 1 on 1, I was trying to explain how much he & that team meant to the community. We parted, and I sensed he would like to have heard more.
Point being: Don’t let anybody tell you Marshall isn’t a basketball town! If you have attended a home game in the last 7 years, you could feel it. Times change, coaches change, players change. But - in a close game, when the boys need a lift? There is nothing better than being a part of “Let’s go Herd” !!! from deep down!!
WS

You are a little older. I will be 59 in April so you were likely more aware of what the community was going through at the time. I remember going to church on Easter Sunday 1971 and seeing some kids walking in with their grandparents and it hit me - their parents are gone and are never coming back.

My earliest memories of basketball of any type is the '71-'72 Herd team. I remember watching the Marquette game and to this day I don't like Allie McGuire...😄

So cool about you meeting Coach Tacy. After he passed I read about that game and even watched some game film. Had no idea how Tacy and MU were treated by AL McGuire...😡

While at UK I brought 3 buddies home to watch MU vs UTC. They had more fun than at any UK game. At the half Hal Greer passed me in the concourse and stopped to chat. I had never met him before but it was priceless to see the look on my UK buddies face that they had just shaken hands with the #3 all time NBA scorer...

Great stuff. Thanks for responding! Much appreciated.

 

[W-S HerdFan]

He passed about a year or so ago. I am not sure if this will work, and there is no audio, but I am including a link to video of that game in December (I think) of ‘71:

Go back to the hills!

Hard to follow. The score board is in the frame…
I believe I got this from Marquette’s library…

 

[KyMUfan]

He passed about a year or so ago. I am not sure if this will work, and there is no audio, but I am including a link to video of that game in December (I think) of ‘71:

Go back to the hills!

Hard to follow. The score board is in the frame…
I believe I got this from Marquette’s library…

I remember someone posting that link. So that was you. Great stuff! Thanks!

 

[caliherd]

No dice.
This fanbase complained when MU won in football.

See that is why your and Sams opinion hold such low value. Your two opinions stem totally from your being upset that you feel Doc was treated unfairly by the fans.
Both of you guys feel Doc was a great coach and his mediocrity in a sport where we had several advantages over our peers and produced 1, conference championship, embarrassing blow out losses at home to fellow G5 members including conference mates warranted a lifetime contract.
That is literally the only reason you have the extreme dislike of our basketball situation.

I’ll admit I was never a fan of Doc as a coach after 2016, I do think he’s a good person and I hope he has a long successful life with whatever he chooses to do. But even during his last year when we started out by beating Appy and being ranked I was giving him the benefit of the doubt until he did his yearly Docness which was completely tank and lose to Rice UAB and Buffalo to end the year. 2 of those being at home. It was either so the same thing and stay mired in mediocrity or try something else.

I feel Dan should be gone. Honestly I’ve never been a fan of him as a coach. Because even during the year we won the tournament game we followed it up by getting destroyed by WVU in the next round. Basically proving the previous game was a fluke. But at least I’m not a hypocrite I’m not upset about it because if some pre conceived injustice that was given to our former football coach.

I think you and Sam both should find the next team Doc is a coach at or if he remains retired the next school Hamrick is the AD and follow them. Marshall sports isn’t for you.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

Is it me or does it seem that some here are actively wanting Marshall to lose the remaining basketball games to "prove" their points???☹️

Congrats, you've figured out the last decade of football.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

This isn't for your benefit but for The Faithful that you evidently don't understand.

Faithful... As a very young boy I didn't understand why my dad was called to set-up a triage on November 14, 1970 nor did I understand why my mother was crying unconsolablly when he later called her with the gut-wrenching news. I didn't even know what death was at the time. But I later found out.

I, like many others of The Faithful, lived and suffered through losing season after losing season, often comforted by the ever hopeful words of Ernie Salvatore the day after a particularly painful loss, of which there were many.

Marshall football during this time was a desolate wasteland, with only an occasional oasis during basketball season. We had Carl Tacy for but one season, arguably Marshall's best team ever. Had I chosen to be a fair weather fan and boycott this year's team I would have missed the recent 50 year tribute to them at The Cam. They deserved that The Faithful be on hand to thank them for a job well done.

I watched many games at the Fieldhouse and excitement for Marshall basketball was running high when Stu Aberdeen was hired. But again tragedy would strike Marshall athletics.

Soon after this the Thundering Herd football team posted its first winning season in 20 years. The Faithful that endured those losing seasons finally saw some success. However more agonizing losses followed, including a heart-breaking loss in the 1987 national championship game. Yet The Faithful remained faithful and later experienced two national championship wins and an undefeated season after the jump to D1.

About the same time this football run began Marshall experienced a revival in men's basketball. Two NCAA tournament appearances and one NIT appearance in a 4 year span. Huckabay had a 69% winning percentage over his six seasons at Marshall, a number that hasn't been matched since, even by two perennial NCAA tournament coaches, one of whom won back to back national championships.

The Faithful were enjoying Huckabay's years, but as had happened in the past and future in both football and basketball, internal strife in the university brought that Era to an end.

Lean times followed with 7 straight losing seasons during the 2000's. A few years later one of The Faithful's favorite sons was hired. He posted six consecutive winning seasons from 2015-2021, something that had not been done since the 9 straight winning seasons of 1979-1988, a period of over 30 years. He also accomplished something that had never been done before, that being Marshall's first and only NCAA tournament victory.

So yeah, I'll continue to be Faithful and you can continue to live in your fantasy land that Marshall basketball can magically become something it hasn't been for 50 years, regardless of who the coach has been and we've had a few good ones.

And before you say I'm settling remember building a successful program takes money. The Herd is 9 out of 14 CUSA teams in basketball budget. What have you done to improve this situation?

Of course...some long winded reason for faith and fandom.
Nobody cares toots. This season's over.
I'll read it when I have to take a sh*t, maybe.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

See that is why your and Sams opinion hold such low value. Your two opinions stem totally from your being upset that you feel Doc was treated unfairly by the fans.
Both of you guys feel Doc was a great coach and his mediocrity in a sport where we had several advantages over our peers and produced 1, conference championship, embarrassing blow out losses at home to fellow G5 members including conference mates warranted a lifetime contract.
That is literally the only reason you have the extreme dislike of our basketball situation.

I’ll admit I was never a fan of Doc as a coach after 2016, I do think he’s a good person and I hope he has a long successful life with whatever he chooses to do. But even during his last year when we started out by beating Appy and being ranked I was giving him the benefit of the doubt until he did his yearly Docness which was completely tank and lose to Rice UAB and Buffalo to end the year. 2 of those being at home. It was either so the same thing and stay mired in mediocrity or try something else.

I feel Dan should be gone. Honestly I’ve never been a fan of him as a coach. Because even during the year we won the tournament game we followed it up by getting destroyed by WVU in the next round. Basically proving the previous game was a fluke. But at least I’m not a hypocrite I’m not upset about it because if some pre conceived injustice that was given to our former football coach.

I think you and Sam both should find the next team Doc is a coach at or if he remains retired the next school Hamrick is the AD and follow them. Marshall sports isn’t for you.

lol oh, you lovable loser.

I have always said Doc and Dan were on the same path in terms of coaching, and they have achieved that, almost mirrored one another.

Except one gets absolutely crucified for winning or barely winning while another gets a pass for his inept coaching ability. If we held both to the same standard, Dan wouldn't even be here. But "gosh darn he's such a son of a biscuit, we just can't accept one of ours isn't good at his job." Any AD with half a brain would've fired him by now, but we got rid of our forward thinking AD.
Also the whole "mediocrity" BS with football is getting old. Low IQ folks like yourself need actual talking points since the SBC took MU without needing MU...does that mean the SBC accepts mediocrity? You said it, not me.
Clearly they don't, and they'd likely credit Doc and the football program as a major (if not THE) reason why they took MU, so cut that stupid garbage out.
Name me a football program that fired its CoY, because it's not common to have happened and anyone who wrote on it (minus the local media) was dumbfounded by such a move.

I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[KyMUfan]

Of course...some long winded reason for faith and fandom.
Nobody cares toots. This season's over.
I'll read it when I have to take a sh*t, maybe.

See below - I don't care if you read it or not.

And nobody cares??? That's already been proven wrong now hasn't it???

This isn't for your benefit but for The Faithful that you evidently don't understand.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

See below - I don't care if you read it or not.

Yet you posted it...and responded to me.

 

[KyMUfan]

Yet you posted it...and responded to me.

You responded to me first. Wow... Nice to meet you pot...

 

[KyMUfan]

If you have attended a home game in the last 7 years, you could feel it.

I have attended most of them. It has been fun. My older friend that I attend most games with boycotted the first game of the CIT in 2019. He came to the next ones after a little shaming from me... 😅 He enjoyed those as did I.

It has been fun. As I previously mentioned we have gone over 30 years without having a string of winning seasons. But it seems the entire run has been marred by the usual naysayers that can't stand being happy, or see anyone else being happy...☹️

 

[W-S HerdFan]

🥘 meets 🫖 (imagine it’s black): “You look familiar.”
“I don’t see it.”
“whatever.”

 

[The Real SamC]

Contrasting the long gone, or the current, football coach to the basketball coach by the same standard is apples to oranges. Like it or not, think it should be different or not, think some, many, or most of those in it are kidding themselves, CUSA 3.0 was built to be a football conference. The teams had nothing in common but a desire to play football at a particular level. All of their other sports were dragged along for the ride, all at vastly different levels. In men's basketball, that meant that about a third had no ability to field a legitimate team. No fans, no resources, no one cares. token effort. Another third chooses to make a token effort. Leaving the rest to settle the matter among themselves.

So, over the years, MU football wins and loses, More wins than losses. But, so full of hate, rage, and super-fan delusion, turned inward and rotten, NOTHING that happens is celebrated, appreciated, or held up. Even though all of the team are there for the specific reason of playing football, beating a peer is NBD. But, MU basketball. playing teams that can not compete, should never win, and which don't care if they do or not, wins over these token efforts are held up as if legitimate.

In the post-Memphis era, CUSA basketball was there to be controlled. Box of cupcakes.

And we are dead last.

And, before the football fixates jump on this, the SBC is the same thing. Built for football. A one-bid basketball league, with many token effort programs. Averages a 14 seed. There to be controlled. And, in a few years, the newness of the football league change will wear off, and the same unfair things that were said about our peers in CUSA will start to be said about our peers in the SBC.

 

[ru4_mu2]

Contrasting the long gone, or the current, football coach to the basketball coach by the same standard is apples to oranges. Like it or not, think it should be different or not, think some, many, or most of those in it are kidding themselves, CUSA 3.0 was built to be a football conference. The teams had nothing in common but a desire to play football at a particular level. All of their other sports were dragged along for the ride, all at vastly different levels. In men's basketball, that meant that about a third had no ability to field a legitimate team. No fans, no resources, no one cares. token effort. Another third chooses to make a token effort. Leaving the rest to settle the matter among themselves.

So, over the years, MU football wins and loses, More wins than losses. But, so full of hate, rage, and super-fan delusion, turned inward and rotten, NOTHING that happens is celebrated, appreciated, or held up. Even though all of the team are there for the specific reason of playing football, beating a peer is NBD. But, MU basketball. playing teams that can not compete, should never win, and which don't care if they do or not, wins over these token efforts are held up as if legitimate.

In the post-Memphis era, CUSA basketball was there to be controlled. Box of cupcakes.

And we are dead last.

And, before the football fixates jump on this, the SBC is the same thing. Built for football. A one-bid basketball league, with many token effort programs. Averages a 14 seed. There to be controlled. And, in a few years, the newness of the football league change will wear off, and the same unfair things that were said about our peers in CUSA will start to be said about our peers in the SBC.

2 minutes I can't get back....