NCAA's Mark Emmert says fall sports likely a no-go if campuses aren't open

[BleedsGreen33]

More fuel for the doubt fire.

The fact they're discussing this makes me doubt there will be a 2020 season. At least no OoC games. Which will suck because this is the best home OoC slate in a long time it ever.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/...t-says-fall-sports-likely-no-go-campuses-open

 

[Herdmeister]

President Gilbert has indicated that Marshall will be open but no idea of the other 130 FBS schools yet. Not to mention the FCS numbers

 

[johns1124]

More and more campuses are stating that they will be open; MU, AZ, UCSD, 1/2 the PAC-12.; so far.
I believe that more be open then not. There will be College Football, the question is to what
capacity.

 

[bbneutralfan]

meister President Gilbert is “hopeful” that we will be open. If other institutions close we cannot possibly be open.

 

[BleedsGreen33]

More and more campuses are stating that they will be open; MU, AZ, UCSD, 1/2 the PAC-12.; so far.
I believe that more be open then not. There will be College Football, the question is to what
capacity.

Emmert sounds like it's all or nothing. You still have some governors not wanting to open fully.

 

[BleedsGreen33]

Also will fans be allowed to attend. If they opt to play, but with no fans I don't know how they can hope to operate. You'd have all the expenses of the season without the revenue to pay for it.

 

[Herdmeister]

Also will fans be allowed to attend. If they opt to play, but with no fans I don't know how they can hope to operate. You'd have all the expenses of the season without the revenue to pay for it.

I have been saying the same thing. NFL can do they with all the TV money. To some extent P5 could as well. G5, and below, no chance

 

[exHerdSID]

Lots of hand sanitizers, taking temperatures, and signing away rights to sue. Maybe masks required too. Might disallow tailgating, limited food service. Pre-sold/season tickets only, students OK. Strict enforcement of no items being brought in, back to no pass outs.
Plus conferences will be making their own decisions no matter what the NCAA Prez says. Teams allowed to start pre-season practices even if delayed opening for students on campus. Could even see a few early games with no (or few) fans allowed in. Goals if limited safe to play= get the TV money, save the end of season bowl TV money, have a playoff, keep booster money, keep ticket revenue, keep f&m sales.

 

[Herd-in-ATL]

Also will fans be allowed to attend. If they opt to play, but with no fans I don't know how they can hope to operate. You'd have all the expenses of the season without the revenue to pay for it.

Though they've been doing this for a long time because each team has its own locally negotiated TV contract, unlike the NFL. I recently read that Baseball is looking at a deeper more unilateral revenue sharing plan for this season. This to help compensate for the lack of attendance and associated game day revenues such and concessions and parking. I wonder if for this season, a portion of the P5 conference TV pools will be shared with the G5 conferences in an effort the help keep them afloat? Last year each SEC member received a little over 45 million while each Big 10 school received north of 50 million. This while C-USA members received around 400 thousand annually. I certainly doubt that P5 conferences will do this voluntarily or if they do make a token distribution, it will be significantly less then what is really needed. In the end it could be the Title IX amendment that forces a much larger share.

 

[Pioneer_PA]

Though they've been doing this for a long time because each team has its own locally negotiated TV contract, unlike the NFL. I recently read that Baseball is looking at a deeper more unilateral revenue sharing plan for this season. This to help compensate for the lack of attendance and associated game day revenues such and concessions and parking. I wonder if for this season, a portion of the P5 conference TV pools will be shared with the G5 conferences in an effort the help keep them afloat? Last year each SEC member received a little over 45 million while each Big 10 school received north of 50 million. This while C-USA members received around 400 thousand annually. I certainly doubt that P5 conferences will do this voluntarily or if they do make a token distribution, it will be significantly less then what is really needed. In the end it could be the Title IX amendment that forces a much larger share.

The P5’s are hurting financially, too, because they’ve obligated such bloated, wasteful $$$ to projects that are only in place in a thinly veiled attempt to justify the absurd amount of money that is simply handed to them.

Many of them are counting on that full financial bailout for athletics and in some cases, academics.

I mean hey, imagine if P5 schools built only what they needed, instead of the arms race mentality? They would have plenty of money to get through this situation comparatively. But no, they had to build $50 million+ playhouses for their players.

They reap what they sow. Unfortunately, we also pay the price.

 

[BleedsGreen33]

Though they've been doing this for a long time because each team has its own locally negotiated TV contract, unlike the NFL. I recently read that Baseball is looking at a deeper more unilateral revenue sharing plan for this season. This to help compensate for the lack of attendance and associated game day revenues such and concessions and parking. I wonder if for this season, a portion of the P5 conference TV pools will be shared with the G5 conferences in an effort the help keep them afloat? Last year each SEC member received a little over 45 million while each Big 10 school received north of 50 million. This while C-USA members received around 400 thousand annually. I certainly doubt that P5 conferences will do this voluntarily or if they do make a token distribution, it will be significantly less then what is really needed. In the end it could be the Title IX amendment that forces a much larger share.

Good luck getting the P5 to share anything with the G5. Where have you been the last 15 year. They have tried at every turn to break away from us and this is going to give them a legit chance to do it. They'll use this as a prime example that we really can't afford to play at their level and this just proves we need to separate.

Alabama isn't sharing their revenue with South Alabama. Notre Dame won't even agree to share with their "peer" teams and join a conference.

We're all just thinking about FBS. FCS football is in the same if not worse boat financially and how many FBS teams have an FCS team scheduled?

This is why Emmert is saying all or nothing. With only three months before the season it would be a logistical nightmare to redo the schedules and TV games. You know even if a revenue split were an option lawyers would be involved because you're not going to have every just agree to split it evenly and it just happen.

The only way this works is if every single D-I school is open for business and business as usual by August.

 

[BleedsGreen33]

The P5’s are hurting financially, too, because they’ve obligated such bloated, wasteful $$$ to projects that are only in place in a thinly veiled attempt to justify the absurd amount of money that is simply handed to them.

Many of them are counting on that full financial bailout for athletics and in some cases, academics.

I mean hey, imagine if P5 schools built only what they needed, instead of the arms race mentality? They would have plenty of money to get through this situation comparatively. But no, they had to build $50 million+ playhouses for their players.

They reap what they sow. Unfortunately, we also pay the price.

It would almost be good if the season was in fact cancelled. Let this whole house of cards system implode and hit the reset button.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

It would almost be good if the season was in fact cancelled. Let this whole house of cards system implode and hit the reset button.

I'd love to see this. Also to see the AD's of the P5 going and asking for more money attempting to justify "the multi million dollar athlete rec room with PS4's and a waterfall with purifying waters from Lake Minnetonka" in the name of education.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

It's going to be interesting to see what happens in the future.
Schools could convince their state governors to grant them "essential business" status for sports...which could also legally expose them to lawsuits since they'd have to admit their athletics departments ARE money oriented and not for, you know, educating and academics as they claim.

One area you'll want to pay attention to is the WWE/AEW and UFC.
The FL governor granted them "essential business" status and thus, allowing them to arrive and compete under strict guidelines (temp checks, COVID-19 testing, etc).
No crowds, just the absolute minimum for a crew to broadcast (and those are done at different times...most of what you see with pro wrestling is pre-recorded, the UFC was a live event but also a PPV so its not nearly as frequently occurring) and only the athletes in the event itself.
So far, I think FL is the only state doing this. But as I said, the first professional brand of sports was shown last night and could be a sign of things to come.

 

[Sean Hammond]

The P5’s are hurting financially, too, because they’ve obligated such bloated, wasteful $$$ to projects that are only in place in a thinly veiled attempt to justify the absurd amount of money that is simply handed to them.

Many of them are counting on that full financial bailout for athletics and in some cases, academics.

I mean hey, imagine if P5 schools built only what they needed, instead of the arms race mentality? They would have plenty of money to get through this situation comparatively. But no, they had to build $50 million+ playhouses for their players.

They reap what they sow. Unfortunately, we also pay the price.

I can’t like this enough.

These pimped our facilities have become something to be celebrated. I hope it’s all shaken down to the ground.

 

[herdfan429]

It would almost be good if the season was in fact cancelled. Let this whole house of cards system implode and hit the reset button.

The problem with hitting the reset button is a lot of schools, and yes Marshall is potentially one of them, won’t come back after the reset

 

[caliherd]

Guys one thing will drive all of this and it is lawsuit protection. Even the Ohio State and Texas etc. of the worlds cannot afford to do business as usual and have one of their players, coaches or fans get Covid19 and God forbid die. The politicians might not put a monitory figure on a persons life but I know the attorneys will. Just one death would be enough to bankrupt even the strongest athletic departments. What do you think a jury would rule if during a pandemic that college administrators decide hey even though there is all of this stuff going on and thousands of people have died and you decided to bring 100s of football players together, coaches, trainers etc and not do any social distancing. Then you also decided to add 1000s of fans to this mix and somebody died. I cant imagine the lawsuits. So if there is no liability protection there won’t be any season.

If you need a preview look at the lawsuits that have been filed against corporations because of the fact they took no precautions and employees got sick.

I will be bummed if there is no college football this fall but I certainly wouldn’t blame any college administrators who don’t want to take a chance of moving forward in a time period that they could be sued out of existence.

 

[i am herdman]

Guys one thing will drive all of this and it is lawsuit protection. Even the Ohio State and Texas etc. of the worlds cannot afford to do business as usual and have one of their players, coaches or fans get Covid19 and God forbid die. The politicians might not put a monitory figure on a persons life but I know the attorneys will. Just one death would be enough to bankrupt even the strongest athletic departments. What do you think a jury would rule if during a pandemic that college administrators decide hey even though there is all of this stuff going on and thousands of people have died and you decided to bring 100s of football players together, coaches, trainers etc and not do any social distancing. Then you also decided to add 1000s of fans to this mix and somebody died. I cant imagine the lawsuits. So if there is no liability protection there won’t be any season.

If you need a preview look at the lawsuits that have been filed against corporations because of the fact they took no precautions and employees got sick.

I will be bummed if there is no college football this fall but I certainly wouldn’t blame any college administrators who don’t want to take a chance of moving forward in a time period that they could be sued out of existence.

So I guess we will never be allowed to do anything again?

And how in the hell are they going to know where you got China Virus? That would be like pin pointing where you got the flue or strep throat.

This thing is becoming a jole

Live in fear, live in fear, blab blala blaalalal

 

[BleedsGreen33]

The problem with hitting the reset button is a lot of schools, and yes Marshall is potentially one of them, won’t come back after the reset

At least not at the current "FBS" capacity. The hard truth is if college athletics spending continues on the current trend schools and even us will be forced down. That is the endgame for ESPN and the elite P5 programs. Go back to when Oliver Luck was running his mouth and go back to last week when Mike Greenburg and Heather Denich got into a heated debate. Greeny pushing the P5/G5 split and Heather trying to open his eyes to how even most P5s struggle.

This is why the playoff was designed. It was supposed to be 4 conferences of 16 teams and the ACC mucked it up making it almost impossible for teams like FSU to be able to afford to leave. Once Maryland's suit was settled with ACC others were to follow.

This system we have is not about equality and could care less about the G5 and really teams 40 to 130.

Ooh we get to play in some bowl game that won't exist in 3-5 seasons that no one remembers.

We all love college football, but something has to give. How much longer do you think Marshall let alone the rest of CUSA can keep up and survive playing most of our games on FB Live and Stadium.com

 

[ohio herd]

So I guess we will never be allowed to do anything again?

And how in the hell are they going to know where you got China Virus? That would be like pin pointing where you got the flue or strep throat.

This thing is becoming a jole

Live in fear, live in fear, blab blala blaalalal

This sums it up,

 

[bbneutralfan]

I am herdman posted “Thisvthingbis becoming a joke.” Thousands have already died in this country but you think it’s a joke.

 

[bbneutralfan]

Sorry about my typing - herdman posted “This thing is becoming a joke.”

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

Sorry about my typing - herdman posted “This thing is becoming a joke.”

Actually its all a "jole" to him.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

At least not at the current "FBS" capacity. The hard truth is if college athletics spending continues on the current trend schools and even us will be forced down. That is the endgame for ESPN and the elite P5 programs. Go back to when Oliver Luck was running his mouth and go back to last week when Mike Greenburg and Heather Denich got into a heated debate. Greeny pushing the P5/G5 split and Heather trying to open his eyes to how even most P5s struggle.

This is why the playoff was designed. It was supposed to be 4 conferences of 16 teams and the ACC mucked it up making it almost impossible for teams like FSU to be able to afford to leave. Once Maryland's suit was settled with ACC others were to follow.

This system we have is not about equality and could care less about the G5 and really teams 40 to 130.

Ooh we get to play in some bowl game that won't exist in 3-5 seasons that no one remembers.

We all love college football, but something has to give. How much longer do you think Marshall let alone the rest of CUSA can keep up and survive playing most of our games on FB Live and Stadium.com

Yup. Even the P5 has its own "have nots" despite getting about as much money as its conference peers, places like Maryland and Rutgers are bleeding money at this point.
All to enter the arms race of who can burn money the fastest.
I think it's eventually going to be a Superconferenfe of the most elite and profitable P5 programs. Something like 26 of them make $100 million or more...thats enough for a 2 division Superconference. You have the usual ohio state, LSU, Michigan, ND, etc...and then you have random schools like UVA and Washington. No doubt money steers the NCAA, and for those 2 dozen or so schools, its what they're all about...and everyone else is left behind.
As for the FB live and Stadium, welcome to the future. I can easily see other conferences offering streaming in the future since cord cutting and cable is decreasing.
As for Marshall, MU seems to be in ok shape...but like many others, it can't hold out forever.
I have no idea what os going to happen or what Hamrick has laid out for the future and its crazy to think where this could have us ending up.

 

[Herdmeister]

Yup. Even the P5 has its own "have nots" despite getting about as much money as its conference peers, places like Maryland and Rutgers are bleeding money at this point.
All to enter the arms race of who can burn money the fastest.
I think it's eventually going to be a Superconferenfe of the most elite and profitable P5 programs. Something like 26 of them make $100 million or more...thats enough for a 2 division Superconference. You have the usual ohio state, LSU, Michigan, ND, etc...and then you have random schools like UVA and Washington. No doubt money steers the NCAA, and for those 2 dozen or so schools, its what they're all about...and everyone else is left behind.
As for the FB live and Stadium, welcome to the future. I can easily see other conferences offering streaming in the future since cord cutting and cable is decreasing.
As for Marshall, MU seems to be in ok shape...but like many others, it can't hold out forever.
I have no idea what os going to happen or what Hamrick has laid out for the future and its crazy to think where this could have us ending up.

Keep in mind that the Big 12 went to ESPN+ last year. In fact both wvu-Kansas games were on there. I know it isn't FB but it is not cable or over the air TV either. I remember hearing wvu fans screaming that they had to come up with an extra fee and be able to the equipment to even see ESPN+

 

[RhinoD]

I know we all think of things in myopic football-first terms, because that is the sport we most care about (most of us) and the one that makes the most money... But think of the freaking nightmare fall sports will be, especially the olympic sports, if say 5-6 states don't allow campuses to reopen.

And its not like schools/conferences can say, "Well, everything is cancelled - Except football." There would be so many Title IX lawsuits it would end up being years in litigation... Football will draw the headlines, but this is a fall sports problem as a whole.

 

[BleedsGreen33]

Keep in mind that the Big 12 went to ESPN+ last year. In fact both wvu-Kansas games were on there. I know it isn't FB but it is not cable or over the air TV either. I remember hearing wvu fans screaming that they had to come up with an extra fee and be able to the equipment to even see ESPN+

True, but it's still ESPN. I am not trying to be argumentative, but those games were put on there because that is the new platform that ESPN is pushing and they were trying to draw eyeballs. CUSA playing on FB Live really isn't the same deal.

Anyone can stream a anything on FB.

At best it's like the old Thundering Herd Network of the 90s without Keith and Sunny.

Still streaming is the future. Cable and Satellite are not going to be around in 20 and maybe not even 10 years.

The upside is any school will now be able to broadcast their games and they can be viewed anywhere in the world. The downside is they money won't be there.

That's why over the last couple seasons I've been more in favor of the split. Let those 20 or so schools go spend hundreds of millions of dollars.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

True, but it's still ESPN. I am not trying to be argumentative, but those games were put on there because that is the new platform that ESPN is pushing and they were trying to draw eyeballs. CUSA playing on FB Live really isn't the same deal.

Anyone can stream a anything on FB.

At best it's like the old Thundering Herd Network of the 90s without Keith and Sunny.

Still streaming is the future. Cable and Satellite are not going to be around in 20 and maybe not even 10 years.

The upside is any school will now be able to broadcast their games and they can be viewed anywhere in the world. The downside is they money won't be there.

That's why over the last couple seasons I've been more in favor of the split. Let those 20 or so schools go spend hundreds of millions of dollars.

Well...one has the production crew and technology to present a solid sports product in ESPN+, which is more complimentary to ESPN and its cable channels (the most expensive channels in cable) on the regular.
The other broadcasts games in social media's trailer park, Facebook...not really equipped to handle it.
Could FB do better? Yes. Same with Stadium. I think they will, especially if this continues.

One thing Stadium could do better with, is being a la carte...selecting just it as a streaming service for sports as opposed to having being part of a package of some sort. It isn't currently and my goodness its at least free...I couldn't imagine the fans having to pay to watch MU.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

Keep in mind that the Big 12 went to ESPN+ last year. In fact both wvu-Kansas games were on there. I know it isn't FB but it is not cable or over the air TV either. I remember hearing wvu fans screaming that they had to come up with an extra fee and be able to the equipment to even see ESPN+

ESPN+ is sort of the land of misfit sports and matchups...which is where wvu and kansas should be in football.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

Florida Tech elimates football.
D-2...but still and cited COVID-19 as the primary reason to cut its program.

 

[i am herdman]

I am herdman posted “Thisvthingbis becoming a joke.” Thousands have already died in this country but you think it’s a joke.

I don't diminish the fact people have died. But, there are 350 million people in this country. We did what they asked which was to make sure the hospitals were not overwhelmed. We did and they were not overwhelmed. Then it turned into this thing about control and fear mongerging and poltical moves. We have basically ruined our economy, divided the country, bankrupted the states, bankrupted the hospitals, etc. Oh, and given the government more control over us.