NHR: College Football Playoff

[CarolinaHerdzilla]

This year is a perfect example why the playoff will not be perfect until the P5 is made up of 4 16 team conferences. 9 games conference schedules and only the conference Champion makes the playoffs.

BAD IDEA FEVER.....America desires to see the BEST teams in a Playoff [no matter which conference membership]...not 16 Conference winners......I support the BEST 6 teams in America playing in a Big Tournament...and the next 10-12 playing in a SUB-National Tournament. You have a National Champion & a Sub-National Champion.

Zilla22

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

BAD IDEA FEVER.....America desires to see the BEST teams in a Playoff [no matter which conference membership]...not 16 Conference winners......I support the BEST 6 teams in America playing in a Big Tournament...and the next 10-12 playing in a SUB-National Tournament. You have a National Champion & a Sub-National Champion.

Zilla22

Christ, you psychotic old man.

Fever didn't say 16 conference winners. He said four winners of conferences with 16 teams each.

 

[Herd Fever]

First off there is only 10 conferences.

Second off, I have proposed P4 and a G4 making it 8 16 team conferences.

My 8 team proposal would be all 4 P4 conference Champions, the Highest ranked G4 champion, and then the next 3 highest ranked teams.

 

[CarolinaHerdzilla]

First off there is only 10 conferences.

Second off, I have proposed P4 and a G4 making it 8 16 team conferences.

My 8 team proposal would be all 4 P4 conference Champions, the Highest ranked G4 champion, and then the next 3 highest ranked teams.

My bad...mult-tasking can be HELL.....working & checking into HERD NATION...is a bummer.....I come to HN to get my chuckles.....GOOD IDEA FEVER...I buy your proposal.....

Zilla22

 

[GreenDuke]

A serious question is how many games will they demand of the players. 15,16,17.
At some point just make the players employees of the school and pay them as professionals and drop the academic component of the agreement.

 

[CarolinaHerdzilla]

A serious question is how many games will they demand of the players. 15,16,17.
At some point just make the players employees of the school and pay them as professionals and drop the academic component of the agreement.

Good points Green Duke....(Kinder me).........I support the committee made the right selections this year. Penn State got screwed last year with osu getting in the Final Four. I am always happy to see them shut out. Bama was highly ranked all year...and an All-SEC team would have lost to Auburn on that particular day. I'm on the fence if there should be an expansion to 6 or 8?

Zilla22

 

[Herd Fever]

A serious question is how many games will they demand of the players. 15,16,17.
At some point just make the players employees of the school and pay them as professionals and drop the academic component of the agreement.

Most of the Top states these players are coming from already play 12+ HS games.

Also these games will be played once the Fall semester is over for most schools, so the Academic argue is little and has no grounds to stand on.

 

[Herd Fever]

Good points Green Duke....(Kinder me).........I support the committee made the right selections this year. Penn State got screwed last year with osu getting in the Final Four. I am always happy to see them shut out. Bama was highly ranked all year...and an All-SEC team would have lost to Auburn on that particular day. I'm on the fence if there should be an expansion to 6 or 8?

Zilla22

Bama was ranked high all year because they are Bama. But Bama had no resume to stand on other than the fact they are Bama.

 

[i am herdman]

Nice spin job throwing in Akron and UNT for emphasis on how right you are even though neither would be in. Why don't you stick to what it would really be?

Yes, FAU is 10-3. Of course they started 1-3 with a new staff and have won 9 in a row, 8 of those 9 were blowouts. UCF is 12-0, the only undefeated in the country. Toledo is 11-2. Boise is 10-3. Troy is 10-2.

Like it or not, there are 130 teams that play on the FBS level of football. It is divided into 10 conferences. If LSU thinks it isn't fair that FAU can make the playoff while playing in CUSA they are more than welcome to quit the SEC and join CUSA to make their path easier. If UCLA is upset, they can join the Mountain West. I'm sure Fresno will trade them places.

Also, the G5 schools have represented themselves quite well in the access bowls and old BCS bowls. That's another reason the P5 doesn't want them in. G5 wins, and they would happen, would erode the monopoly over time by spreading the cash and creating new "cool" programs with recruits.

And this is not counter to my economic and political views. I believe in a free market and there is nothing free market about college football as it currently exists.

I saw Alabama play a couple of years ago when they won it all.

I have yet to ever see a G5 that could have beat that team. That is reality. Those guys were men and would make our current squads look like a high school team playing a college team in terms of size.

Plus, the G5 would have to do it week in and week out in a big conference. That is not going to happen.

I don't think a 10-3 FAU team deserves to be in. Especially after I saw that. They played Auburn and they had lost I think 3 or 4 games that year. Auburn was still good and when you have to play those type teams week in and week out then it is a different story.

I don't believe in just throwing teams in a playoff out of fairness.

 

[CarolinaHerdzilla]

Most of the Top states these players are coming from already play 12+ HS games.

Also these games will be played once the Fall semester is over for most schools, so the Academic argue is little and has no grounds to stand on.

Most of the Top states these players are coming from already play 12+ HS games.

Also these games will be played once the Fall semester is over for most schools, so the Academic argue is little and has no grounds to stand on.

Fever...I agree with you. The powers to be (Big Schools) have always argued about taking the players out of the classroom for a Playoff system. BS. Was it not as important for 1-AA players (such as Marshall) to be in class? I NEVER bought that argument from college Presidents & their ADs. Academics are just as important at Marshall (when we were in the 1-AA Playoff hunt as any D-1A school). Condescending on the Big Boys part...I support.

Zilla22

 

[GreenDuke]

Most of the Top states these players are coming from already play 12+ HS games.

Also these games will be played once the Fall semester is over for most schools, so the Academic argue is little and has no grounds to stand on.

You missed the point completely.

 

[JudgeDD]

I don't like how this system currently works, but I'm not sure what the correct answer is. I really like Dan Wetzel's plan from my quick read. I admit, however, that I haven't taken the time to think through any issues it might have. What I don't like about the system now is this:

Can a school decline if they qualify for their Conference Championship? Seriously? I don't know the answer to that. But if they can, then that's exactly what Wisconsin should have done. The previous week, after finishing their regular season, they were ranked in the top 4. Ahead of Alabama. Wisconsin then played an extra game against a top 10 team, and lost. While Alabama played no one and jumped into the playoffs. Wisconsin should have declined the conference championship game and chose instead to play in the playoffs.

Any system where that is logical, is seriously flawed.

 

[Herd-in-ATL]

Sucks for them maybe they should have won their conf. Or won another game here or there. The conflict champ idea absolutely does NOT devalue the regular season. It gives teams outside the top ten a chance to compete for a national championship. No one would expect FAU to beat Clemson but they would at least get a shot and if you make first two rounds on campus then the host team gets some extra revenue

And if FAU happened to beat Clemson... then you have a Cinderella story. It's the one thing that makes the NCAA Basketball tournament so compelling. I would say 95% of the time the final 4 is comprised of top-5 seeds or higher, but every once in a while you get a George Mason or a VCU that upsets the odds. It's one of the reasons the NCAA tournament is the second most watched sporting event behind only the Super Bowl.

 

[pdbailey]

And ruin what makes FBS football so special. Just scrap the regular season and have one huge playoff of all 130 teams. Watch regular season ratings and attendance continue to plummet if you water down the regular season into shit with an expanded playoff.

Win a shitty conference and get in? Yeah, that's fair. In your plan, FAU would get in. FAU played four OOC games. They got blown out by a middle-of-the-pack AAC team (Navy). They lost by 17 to a second place Big 10 team. They lost to a middle-of-the-pack MAC team. But, hey, they beat an FCS school and won a shitty conference, so lets put them in ahead of a 10-2 Miami, a 10-2 Washington, TCU, Notre Dame, etc.

Would you like to see just how many of the biggest regular season games would mean absolutely nothing since each team would get in either way?

It works great for college basketball where a cinderella mid-major makes a run every year. 10 conference champions and 2 at-large bids with the top-4 schools getting a bye seems like a good option. I believe 11 of the 12 schools for this year's playoff in that format are ranked in the top-25.

 

[pdbailey]

You guys are crazy. People want to see good matchups. FAU would be damn near last place in the SEC or other big conferences. They have no following.

People want to see good teams go at it. Yes, you get the Boise every now and again and fine put them in if they deserve it.

There is a reason SEC, Big 10 teams, etc. are on national tv every week and CUSA teams are not.

Sorry, might hurt, but it is true. Letting every conference in a 16 team field would ruin college football.

No it wouldn't, it would make it infinitely better as it would mean more money for the G5 schools to use to elevate their programs to be more competitive against the G5. The current stupid system works to prevent competition from the G5 by hording the money to the P5 schools. They could use a credit system like they do in the NCAA tournament to allocate the playoff money. The system would also generate many millions more than the current system and that would be good for everyone.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

It works great for college basketball where a cinderella mid-major makes a run every year.

And what happens during the regular season of college basketball? Nobody gives a shit or pays attention.

Go to just about any D1 basketball program and walk around campus asking if the team won or lost the night before. The overwhelming majority would have no clue. Walk around any FBS campus and the majority of people you ask would know if the football team won or lost the day before.

I've clearly shown how the more you expand a playoff, the less important regular season games are. The importance of the regular season is what makes FBS so special. That should not be ruined so that a 9-3 C-USA school gets "fair" treatment.

 

[i am herdman]

No it wouldn't, it would make it infinitely better as it would mean more money for the G5 schools to use to elevate their programs to be more competitive against the G5. The current stupid system works to prevent competition from the G5 by hording the money to the P5 schools. They could use a credit system like they do in the NCAA tournament to allocate the playoff money. The system would also generate many millions more than the current system and that would be good for everyone.

Not really because the big schools would just split off and form their own division and out spend the smaller schools like Marshall.

If you theory you would just water it down and nobody would care about what happens in the regular season. When we were IAA we knew we could lose a game or two(sometimes more) and we would still be in and likely with a home game.

I hate to tell you people don't want to see Clemson play FAU unless FAU is like Boise and legitimate. They want Auburn vs Alabama to means something when both are top 10 teams playing the final regular season game of the season..

 

[CarolinaHerdzilla]

And if FAU happened to beat Clemson... then you have a Cinderella story. It's the one thing that makes the NCAA Basketball tournament so compelling. I would say 95% of the time the final 4 is comprised of top-5 seeds or higher, but every once in a while you get a George Mason or a VCU that upsets the odds. It's one of the reasons the NCAA tournament is the second most watched sporting event behind only the Super Bowl.

ATL-HERD...you can add Greg Marshall's [annual salary @ $3.3 million now]..... Wichita State as the Cinderella @ Final Four 2012-2013. They lost a nail bitter by 1 point to Kentucky.

Zilla22

 

[ohio herd]

You guys are crazy. People want to see good matchups. FAU would be damn near last place in the SEC or other big conferences. They have no following.

People want to see good teams go at it. Yes, you get the Boise every now and again and fine put them in if they deserve it.

There is a reason SEC, Big 10 teams, etc. are on national tv every week and CUSA teams are not.

Sorry, might hurt, but it is true. Letting every conference in a 16 team field would ruin college football.

they used to sat that about basketball.

 

[jbherd]

Thought you actually had to WIN your conference to be considered top four.
Last time OSU faced Alabama and then Oregon didn’t they win with a third string QB? Yes they did. Nice second and third ever start for him. Champs!!! By the way at the start of the following season Alabama somehow was ranked #1 REALLY??
Just saying

 

[CarolinaHerdzilla]

Thought you actually had to WIN your conference to be considered top four.
Last time OSU faced Alabama and then Oregon didn’t they win with a third string QB? Yes they did. Nice second and third ever start for him. Champs!!! By the way at the start of the following season Alabama somehow was ranked #1 REALLY??
Just saying

jbherd...you have a short memory...ohio state DID NOT win their conference in 2016 [Penn State was screwed]...and made the Final Four...and got an ass-kickin" too....in the first round of four!

Zilla22