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[Marine03]

You are wrong, but it does not really matter. You are convinced of it, and thus NOTHING that is going to happen in MU football, no matter who is coach, AD, or QB, is going to matter to you.

You need to find something else, and move on.

Prove to me how I’m wrong when all the numbers say I’m 100% correct
http://realtimerpi.com/college_football/ncaaf_conf_Men.html

 

[The Real SamC]

I don’t know, being ranked last or next to last as a league by every analyst or publication seems like pretty compelling evidence.

Really? OK. During the supposed golden days, these were the conferences in I-A. First the ones not worth arguing about. SEC, ACC, Big 10, Big 12, and Pac 10. Leaving the first Big East (Virginia Tech, Real Miami, BC, Syracuse, WVU, Pitt, Temple, Rutgers). So this is six better than the lowly MAC. The CUSA 1.0, which everybody here proclaims that some how we got “left behind” from CUSA 2.0. (USM, ECU, Louisville, UAB, Memphis, Houston, Army, Tulane, Cincinnati). So that is seven unarguably better than the lowly MAC. Now the Mountain West of that time (Utah, BYU, Colorado St., Wyoming, SD State, New Mexico, Air Force, UNLV). Again superior to the lowly MAC. Now we are at 8. And then the old WAC (Hawaii, TCU, Fresno St., Rice, SMU, UTEP, San Jose State, Tulsa). Close, but that is a better league than the lowly MAC, c.1999. So that is 9.

So we have the Big West (Boise State, Idaho, NM State, Utah State, Arkansas State, Nevada, and North Texas). Yes, that is a lower league than the lowly MAC. In fact, just before MU easily dominated the lowly MAC, the NCAA gave the two bottom leagues in I-A, the lowly MAC and the so-called Big West, a special permission to play in a ginned up bowl game for 1/3rd of the otherwise “minimum payout” that was nothing more than the champion of the lowly MAC playing at Fresno State, perennial BWC champion, weeks before the real bowls were played.

So, during the supposed “golden era” the Herd played in one of the bottom leagues. Future phys-ed teachers of Ohio vs. future phys-ed teachers of Michigan. The lowly MAC. No better than 9th of the 10 leagues then existing.

But, where, oh where, is all the spew about the lowly MAC back then? Other than from the petty jealous Spamites, I mean?

There wasn’t any. Because our fan base back then was just made of better fans.

Prove to me how I’m wrong when all the numbers say I’m 100% correct

I get it. This is not for you. You are like a guy living in Buffalo who thinks the NFC is superior and will never appreciate the Bills. This is not for you. Find something else. Move on.

 

[Marine03]

Really? OK. During the supposed golden days, these were the conferences in I-A. First the ones not worth arguing about. SEC, ACC, Big 10, Big 12, and Pac 10. Leaving the first Big East (Virginia Tech, Real Miami, BC, Syracuse, WVU, Pitt, Temple, Rutgers). So this is six better than the lowly MAC. The CUSA 1.0, which everybody here proclaims that some how we got “left behind” from CUSA 2.0. (USM, ECU, Louisville, UAB, Memphis, Houston, Army, Tulane, Cincinnati). So that is seven unarguably better than the lowly MAC. Now the Mountain West of that time (Utah, BYU, Colorado St., Wyoming, SD State, New Mexico, Air Force, UNLV). Again superior to the lowly MAC. Now we are at 8. And then the old WAC (Hawaii, TCU, Fresno St., Rice, SMU, UTEP, San Jose State, Tulsa). Close, but that is a better league than the lowly MAC, c.1999. So that is 9.

So we have the Big West (Boise State, Idaho, NM State, Utah State, Arkansas State, Nevada, and North Texas). Yes, that is a lower league than the lowly MAC. In fact, just before MU easily dominated the lowly MAC, the NCAA gave the two bottom leagues in I-A, the lowly MAC and the so-called Big West, a special permission to play in a ginned up bowl game for 1/3rd of the otherwise “minimum payout” that was nothing more than the champion of the lowly MAC playing at Fresno State, perennial BWC champion, weeks before the real bowls were played.

So, during the supposed “golden era” the Herd played in one of the bottom leagues. Future phys-ed teachers of Ohio vs. future phys-ed teachers of Michigan. The lowly MAC. No better than 9th of the 10 leagues then existing.

But, where, oh where, is all the spew about the lowly MAC back then? Other than from the petty jealous Spamites, I mean?

There wasn’t any. Because our fan base back then was just made of better fans.



I get it. This is not for you. You are like a guy living in Buffalo who thinks the NFC is superior and will never appreciate the Bills. This is not for you. Find something else. Move on.

Again, prove to me how this conference is not one of if not the worse in FBS.

 

[The Real SamC]

Again, prove to me how this conference is not one of if not the worse in FBS.

Again, move on. Find something you enjoy. MU football is not that. Never will be..

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

Really? OK. During the supposed golden days, these were the conferences in I-A. First the ones not worth arguing about. SEC, ACC, Big 10, Big 12, and Pac 10. Leaving the first Big East (Virginia Tech, Real Miami, BC, Syracuse, WVU, Pitt, Temple, Rutgers). So this is six better than the lowly MAC. The CUSA 1.0, which everybody here proclaims that some how we got “left behind” from CUSA 2.0. (USM, ECU, Louisville, UAB, Memphis, Houston, Army, Tulane, Cincinnati). So that is seven unarguably better than the lowly MAC. Now the Mountain West of that time (Utah, BYU, Colorado St., Wyoming, SD State, New Mexico, Air Force, UNLV). Again superior to the lowly MAC. Now we are at 8. And then the old WAC (Hawaii, TCU, Fresno St., Rice, SMU, UTEP, San Jose State, Tulsa). Close, but that is a better league than the lowly MAC, c.1999. So that is 9.

So we have the Big West (Boise State, Idaho, NM State, Utah State, Arkansas State, Nevada, and North Texas). Yes, that is a lower league than the lowly MAC. In fact, just before MU easily dominated the lowly MAC, the NCAA gave the two bottom leagues in I-A, the lowly MAC and the so-called Big West, a special permission to play in a ginned up bowl game for 1/3rd of the otherwise “minimum payout” that was nothing more than the champion of the lowly MAC playing at Fresno State, perennial BWC champion, weeks before the real bowls were played.

So, during the supposed “golden era” the Herd played in one of the bottom leagues. Future phys-ed teachers of Ohio vs. future phys-ed teachers of Michigan. The lowly MAC. No better than 9th of the 10 leagues then existing.

But, where, oh where, is all the spew about the lowly MAC back then? Other than from the petty jealous Spamites, I mean?

There wasn’t any. Because our fan base back then was just made of better fans.



I get it. This is not for you. You are like a guy living in Buffalo who thinks the NFC is superior and will never appreciate the Bills. This is not for you. Find something else. Move on.

Selective memory is wonderful isn’t it?
If you recall, during the golden days as you put it; several MAC teams were ranked and had big wins. Toledo, Western Mich., BG and Miami were all ranked at some point during our MAC tenure.
What CUSA schools have been ranked in this new CUSA since the last shuffle? Maybe one school? If that.

 

[Marine03]

Again, move on. Find something you enjoy. MU football is not that. Never will be..

You can’t can you, you have no argument to be made here.

 

[banker6796]

So the MAC sucked, I guess that's why we won it almost every year.

So CUSA sucks, and we can't even win our division.

Go look at the wins the MAC had against P5 schools while we were there, then go look at the P5 wins CUSA has since realignment.

People care less about the conference sucking when we take advantage of the suckage and win titles.

 

[caliherd]

And, right there, you show your problem. You don’t respect our conference. Marshall is “supposed” to win because it is “supposed” to. Childish delusional fandom, turned inward and rotten. Yes, MU is in a conference with UNCC, and is likely to be for decades to come. If that is not for you, if you cannot respect our conference mates, then move on.

Further, the “golden era” you pine for, represent the eras when MU truly should have looked down on the conferences it was in. In the early 90s MU was a de facto I-A team playing in I-AA. We really were supposed to win. Then it was a fast Southern team playing in the lowly MAC, home of the future phys-ed teachers of Ohio vs. the future phys-ed teachers of Michigan. Slow, white, fat, mid-western football. Oh, and we had Randy Moss (see below).

Today, of course, we have found a conference where all members are together in a desire to play G5 football. Built for football. All trying to achieve the same thing. No reason to look down on any program. Yes, we play UNCC. Great.



Yep. You are only with the team when it wins, and actually only if it wins versus the “right” teams. Not UNCC or ODU. We are “supposed” to beat them. Fair weather.




Do I really have to repeat the 6000 events, all of which had to happen just so, for Randy Moss to end up here? Randy Moss IS THE BEST PLAYER EVER AT MARSHALL. He will ALWAYS be. Because he was a true “five star”. He was elite. He was an SEC/ACC level athlete, playing in I-AA and then the lowly MAC. The chances of someone like him, ever, being here again are as close to zero as you can have.

As to CP and BL, I will give you that. But CP was Donnan’s, not BP, and we got him because his parents were alumni and better programs overlooked him because they looked down on his HS’s level of play. BL was also overlooked for similar reasons, big programs disrespect DC public schools, because the rich prep schools recruit away most of the good players.

Those people are long retired (although BL will be an NFL head coach within 5 years). That era, which you mis-remember to a great degree, is long past. Today, MU is playing a good brand of football against teams that deserve our respect.

Go Herd.

Marshall from 96 (yes I know it FCS) but that team would have won the MAC up until 2004 was way more than Randy Chad and Byron. The biggest win we had during that era was beating number 6 and Big12 champ Kansas State at their place and none of those 3 were on that team.

We played in an equally sht conference that we play in now. There is no difference between the MAC of 97-2004 to CUSA today. We put multiple kids in the NFL during that era, we had 2 and should have been 3 heisman finalists but BL got hurt. We beat some P5 schools and played others close I’ll take moral victories against (WVU, Ole Miss, Ohio State, Michigan State, North Carolina and Georgia) That was the golden era of Marshall University football. It was way more than Chad Byron and Randy.

We play in a crap conference. This nonsense about how much these teams want to win is just silly. 75% of our conference mates are ranked in the bottom 100 of college football. I have yet to watch an away game unless it’s Southern Miss where there are more than a few thousand people in the stands including teams that are in first place. We have lost by blow outs at home to G5 teams. Not P5s G5’s. Cincinnati and UCF are now schools that according to our AD and our forum mouth pieces are out of our league. We can’t hope to compete with them. Are you freaking kidding me!

We have zero kids getting drafted, we have won this conference 1 time in 15 years of membership. 0 under Snyder and 1 under Doc.

Our last game of the season we still had a chance to win the East and there were no more than 3K at that game. It was a Kent State crowd.

So the MAC sucked, I guess that's why we won it almost every year.

So CUSA sucks, and we can't even win our division.

Go look at the wins the MAC had against P5 schools while we were there, then go look at the P5 wins CUSA has since realignment.

People care less about the conference sucking when we take advantage of the suckage and win titles.

Save your breath Banker, Sam has been told this one million times. Nobody here has ever said the MAC was anything other than a bottom feeder conference but we won the whole bottom feeder conference 5 times, won the East 6 times and was 2nd in the East the other 2 years.

If Doc has that resume just in the time where the other schools bailed nobody would talk about how much CUSA sucks, and nobody would’ve hoping for a coaching change. It’s not hard to figure out.