Pittman

[ThunderCat98]

Did he play yesterday? I only watched the first half because I had to leave. Haven't had the heart to go back and watch the 2nd yet. If not, why? Why keep your best rb off the field if he's healthy, which I'm assuming he was b/c of his play in the FIU game.

 

[31Herd55]

Do I sense a doghouse issue?

 

[jeremycriss]

He played. On the punt return unit...

 

[ThunderCat98]

Ugh . . .

 

[jeremycriss]

At least he didn't lose a whole year of eligibility so he could play a handful of snaps vs North Texas and FIU like Elzy.

 

[30Kelly]

Pittman accidentally stepped on Doc's new Hush Puppies.

We don't need this kind of disrespect on our team. Get rid of the trouble makers, Doc. Talent be damned!

 

[30Kelly]

That having said, Pittman is a solid RB. He's bigger than Remi and may have been able to pick up more yards through the tiny gaps our O-line created.

 

[31Herd55]

1. Be a better player at the end of practice than you were at the start of practice...otherwise, you've wasted your practice time.

2. Be a better person today than you were yesterday...otherwise, you've wasted a day of your life.

 

[herdalicious]

Sometimes I think our standards and our typical recruiting targets might be incongruent, philosophically.

 

[raleighherdfan]

I just figured Pittman was another "week to week" injury.

 

[31Herd55]

Better than being a "weak-to-weak" mental case

 

[Herdon2]

I'm all for discipline but if that's the case then doc needs to take a hard look at who he recruits in the future. How many players has he released or benched because of doghouse issues? It seems to be a record number this year.

Pittman played well when all were injured and then he disappears?

 

[Greenis Envy]

This staff is bush league and doesn't know what to do once they get pretty darn good players. It's embarrassing to watch possibly the worst plays and play calling in the nation not to mention the lack of creativity, imagination and inability to make simple adjustments to put the team in a better position to gain yardage and stop opposing offenses. Unless our talent is off the charts and can transcend the staff, you might as well get used to this cause nobody else in FBS is taking our coach.

 

[oldeherd]

This staff is bush league and doesn't know what to do once they get pretty darn good players. It's embarrassing to watch possibly the worst plays and play calling in the nation not to mention the lack of creativity, imagination and inability to make simple adjustments to put the team in a better position to gain yardage and stop opposing offenses. Unless our talent is off the charts and can transcend the staff, you might as weetll get used to this cause nobody else in FBS is taking our coach.

Appears to be some truth to this. Almost a tinge of arrogance and spitefulness with our HC. Can't help thinking about the 2010 season disaster at the end of the WVU game, which will always define Doc's main coaching shortcoming to me. We had a chance to clinch the win with about 8 minutes to go and the ball near the WVU goal line. Doc puts in a freshman running back who proceeds to fumble; they recover, rest is history.

Yet on the sidelines we had 2 guys, Martin Ward and Booker (Andre?), holdovers from the prior staff. Both had been significant in our prior season ending bowl win over Ohio U., one was the bowl MVP. So there they stood, while Doc's freshman back fumbled away an opportunity for one of the greatest wins in Marshall history!

Why? Arrogance? Plain stubbornness? Or just Doc doin it "his way"? Were these 2 guys, holdover players, in his dog house for something they did off the field or in practice? Or was Doc just setting an example to the holdover players to do everything exactly his way or you won't play! Cost us a great win, in my book, whatever his "reason or reasons".

 

[donavanb(HN)]

I understand what you are saying oldeherd, but I also think Doc brought a lot of discipline to a team that needed it. Doc isn't perfect but overall I like what he has done here, but there are times I question why things are done, like Pittman, while at the game I was wondering why he wasn't playing.

 

[Herdon2]

Pruett was able to take talent that was subpar and make them elite stars. He was able to get players to play together who didn't have as much talent as the other team. It seems unless Doc has superior talent to the other team then we don't have a chance. We were defeated before we even set foot on WKU field. The players and coaches knew it deep down I believe. It showed on the field in the 1st half. They didn't know what to do. The play calling showed that.

Pruett was also able to get to troubled kids better also. They looked at him as a father figure. Doc is more of an authoritarian it seems. Not someone who can connect with troubled kids and help them make the right decisions. I don't remember anytime in the past where so many top players were either benched or let go from the team. That is a problem. At some point to compete year in and year out you have to be able to get to these kids. We aren't FL or OSU. We can't just let top players go and expect the same result with the next guy coming in. We don't have that luxury. Something needs to change.

 

[pintcan]

We have never had the kind of depth before that we had pre season. When you have a good two deep some are always gonna be dissatisfied being #2 or #3. That was most of the problem with Jean Louis and Leggett. Both whined about it on social media....good way to the pound.

 

[5150]

Appears to be some truth to this. Almost a tinge of arrogance and spitefulness with our HC. Can't help thinking about the 2010 season disaster at the end of the WVU game, which will always define Doc's main coaching shortcoming to me. We had a chance to clinch the win with about 8 minutes to go and the ball near the WVU goal line. Doc puts in a freshman running back who proceeds to fumble; they recover, rest is history.

Yet on the sidelines we had 2 guys, Martin Ward and Booker (Andre?), holdovers from the prior staff. Both had been significant in our prior season ending bowl win over Ohio U., one was the bowl MVP. So there they stood, while Doc's freshman back fumbled away an opportunity for one of the greatest wins in Marshall history!

Why? Arrogance? Plain stubbornness? Or just Doc doin it "his way"? Were these 2 guys, holdover players, in his dog house for something they did off the field or in practice? Or was Doc just setting an example to the holdover players to do everything exactly his way or you won't play! Cost us a great win, in my book, whatever his "reason or reasons".

There is some truth to this statement. Donnie N at WVU could be very stubborn. Everyone wants to keep Doc at MU but there is a reason he gets very few looks from other schools. Doc knows very little about X's and O's and if it were not for Bill Legg Doc would be lost. Notice he also recruits no WV kids, well the reason is Doc is smart enough to know he has to have more talent then everyone else to win because more then likely he gets out coached most games. So, bottom line, enjoy Doc and the success because his recruiting is very good (btw, keep in mind his recruiting of bad attitude kids led to lots of problems in Morgantown in the late 1990's so Im sure Doc knows he cant let bad attitudes control his team but why recruit them in the first place?).

One thing else, notice how few former WVU coaches and players are helping Doc? Only Bill Legg, and that is home for him.

 

[Marine03]

The best example I can give about his gave day management lacking was against ecu in 2012. We traded scores the entire game and we are snapping the ball with 18-20 seconds left to go on the play clock right before we punch it in for the go ahead. Doc gave them time on the clock to score the game winner. Yes, I know the defense was pathetic but fact is they should have less than 30 seconds on the clock but poor clock management gave them the time needed to get started.

 

[herdalicious]

Martin Ward was our HB1 during the 2010 WVU game. Martinez' fumble was unfortunate, but not the result of some opaque "spitefulness" against Snyder's players. That take is absurd.

The decision to punt from our own 40 on 4th and 1 after WVU had just driven 90+ yards for a TD, as if 20 yards of field position would do anything but drain the clock and leave us with no chance to respond in regulation? That is the fair criticism of Holliday as a coach.

 

[5150]

The best example I can give about his gave day management lacking was against ecu in 2012. We traded scores the entire game and we are snapping the ball with 18-20 seconds left to go on the play clock right before we punch it in for the go ahead. Doc gave them time on the clock to score the game winner. Yes, I know the defense was pathetic but fact is they should have less than 30 seconds on the clock but poor clock management gave them the time needed to get started.

Marshall is a good fit for Doc, and there are only a few places Doc can go to be successful other then MU. Doc is in a watered down C-USA and he out recruits everyone in the league. Overall, Marshall needs to be happy with Doc, its very true, he gets out coached a great deal. Shoot, Bill Stewart out coached him, but its the most success MU has had in a while and when he leaves the cupboard will be stocked full of talent.

Yes, I think Bob Pruett would have won more games with this team. He was a great X's and O's coach (and I don't like BP but its the truth), but I also don't think Doc will get the program in trouble.

 

[30Kelly]

Marshall is a good fit for Doc, and there are only a few places Doc can go to be successful other then MU. Doc is in a watered down C-USA and he out recruits everyone in the league. Overall, Marshall needs to be happy with Doc, its very true, he gets out coached a great deal. Shoot, Bill Stewart out coached him, but its the most success MU has had in a while and when he leaves the cupboard will be stocked full of talent.

Yes, I think Bob Pruett would have won more games with this team. He was a great X's and O's coach (and I don't like BP but its the truth), but I also don't think Doc will get the program in trouble.

Logical and fair assessment.

 

[Chevy1]

Long and short of this game is WKU played to stop the run...and stopped the run. Our true freshman QB didn't have enough skill, experience or luck to make them pay. His turnovers in the 2nd half sealed it. He's learning...with a little more experience the outcome may have been different.

However, I really feel WKU was/is the better team. It would have been tough to beat them even with mistake free ball.

AND how bout WKUs 6th year senior QB? Didnt know Van Wilder played football....but dang...isn't time he got a job or something?

 

[raleighherdfan]

Doc............... out recruits everyone in the league.

WKU and MTSU are laughing at this comment............

 

[31Herd55]

Gotta give the dogs their due... They definitely have some good players...we never get much Intel on their props & transfers...but they DO get some good ones

 

[5150]

WKU and MTSU are laughing at this comment............

look at the WKU depth chart they have 6 seniors on both sides of the ball please lots of jrs. Marshall is a young team starting a true freshman at QB

 

[HerdFan73]

Long and short of this game is WKU played to stop the run...and stopped the run. Our true freshman QB didn't have enough skill, experience or luck to make them pay. His turnovers in the 2nd half sealed it. He's learning...with a little more experience the outcome may have been different.

However, I really feel WKU was/is the better team. It would have been tough to beat them even with mistake free ball.

AND how bout WKUs 6th year senior QB? Didnt know Van Wilder played football....but dang...isn't time he got a job or something?

Most teams play to stop the run. I wish we could have just "chose" to stop the run when we gave up 200+ yards rushing at MTSU. But against us, stopping the run is putting one extra man in the box and now we cant run. And honestly, the box wasn't that overloaded each time i was paying attention. Most teams seem to have success against us showing us a 6 man box, which we should be able to run against, and then just blitzing an outside linebacker, usually the weak side i believe.

 

[GK4Herd]

This thread is amazing. For those of you who don't remember, we won the conference last year with both Doc's recruits and coaching. Yet when he wins you guys rant about how he just has better players. Yet after a year we graduate the most statistically prolific quarterback and receiver in our history, have to start a true freshman at quarterback, lose the conference's best running back and an all conference lineman, and fight habitual injury on the offensive line...we still put ourselves in a position to win the division in the last game of the year to face a team we've already beaten in the championship. We didn't win because WKU caught lightning in a bottle bringing a 6th year NFL quarterback back with a senior loaded squad. We'll likely be favored the next few years yet you guys think we have a poor coach. It's almost embarrassing.

 

[5150]

This thread is amazing. For those of you who don't remember, we won the conference last year with both Doc's recruits and coaching. Yet when he wins you guys rant about how he just has better players. Yet after a year we graduate the most statistically prolific quarterback and receiver in our history, have to start a true freshman at quarterback, lose the conference's best running back and an all conference lineman, and fight habitual injury on the offensive line...we still put ourselves in a position to win the division in the last game of the year to face a team we've already beaten in the championship. We didn't win because WKU caught lightning in a bottle bringing a 6th year NFL quarterback back with a senior loaded squad. We'll likely be favored the next few years yet you guys think we have a poor coach. It's almost embarrassing.

Im glad Doc is at Marshall, Doc is a nice fit for the program, but at the end of the day there is a reason he is not getting looks from other schools. I sat with two older guys at homecoming last year and they agreed. Doc gets out coached more then he out coaches someone on the other side.

 

[Herdon2]

I think Doc fits well here but he does have some questionable coaching decisons I have seen in the past. I would doubt that he hasn't got some calls from other programs though. Too much success to not have a call from another program.

 

[herdit44]

Pruett was able to take talent that was subpar and make them elite stars. He was able to get players to play together who didn't have as much talent as the other team. Pruett was also able to get to troubled kids better also. They looked at him as a father figure.

wait, did i miss the memo? is it opposite day?

 

[BleedsGreen33]

First off Doc has been getting looks. The main reason he hasn't been plucked has as much to do with his age as it does your assessments if his coaching acumen.

How many P5s hire 60 year old G5 coaches? They aren't looking for short term coaches.

Also about the 2010 WVU game. Doc said after the game that Martin Ward had cramped up and there was some other reason I can't recall for Booker.

One of the biggest factors that list us that game is while we were playing with several players over 90 snaps in the 4th they were trotting a fresh Noel Devine in the game along with other fresh players.

 

[pintcan]

and MT and WKU accept transfers but not NQs if you can believe what is posted on CUSAbbs.

 

[5150]

First off Doc has been getting looks. The main reason he hasn't been plucked has as much to do with his age as it does your assessments if his coaching acumen.

How many P5s hire 60 year old G5 coaches? They aren't looking for short term coaches.

Also about the 2010 WVU game. Doc said after the game that Martin Ward had cramped up and there was some other reason I can't recall for Booker.

One of the biggest factors that list us that game is while we were playing with several players over 90 snaps in the 4th they were trotting a fresh Noel Devine in the game along with other fresh players.

If Doc is getting looks then please let us know. Besides, if you know anything about the game, and listen to people talk everyone knows Docs X's and O's are not his strength and the Florida kids require lots of hand holding (or in this case a lot of them are shown the door). I not saying Doc needs to go but there is a reason he has not gotten a head job before now, and there is a reason his name is not getting more looks at current openings. Me personally only problem I have with Doc is he recruits very few WV kids(for example their is a TE and RB both from the northern panhandle that have offers from Akron that are studs).

 

[31Herd55]

Are these 2 from Wheeling Park?

 

[19MU88]

First off Doc has been getting looks. The main reason he hasn't been plucked has as much to do with his age as it does your assessments if his coaching acumen.

How many P5s hire 60 year old G5 coaches? They aren't looking for short term coaches.

Also about the 2010 WVU game. Doc said after the game that Martin Ward had cramped up and there was some other reason I can't recall for Booker.

One of the biggest factors that list us that game is while we were playing with several players over 90 snaps in the 4th they were trotting a fresh Noel Devine in the game along with other fresh players.

Doc said....oh yes he is Mr. Transparency.

you are funny Bleeds...you go off on rants about Bill Legg (hired and guided by Doc) and say the reason we still have him is people see is play calling. But for Doc, no one sees his schedules or results? or the fact he is 1-4 against CUSA East decent teams?, that Frank Solich owns him? that we are just over .500 against the MAC (thank God for 2014 and those 4 wins)...I'm not going to sit here and say fire Doc, in a lot of ways I like him and think he is a good fit. Game day just isn't his strong suit. But hey, when fans fall in love and refuse to see anything at all to criticize and are certain others are looking at our coach - - it's nice, it's good, it means we are winning and those that look at it from 50,000 feet see nine wins and love it.

 

[bbneutralfan]

5150 how many D1 football players cone out of WV annually? Any idea? I'm curious. We are getting the Mitchell kid from Point Pleasant. Once again not every kid wants to stay here to play college football. As for kids from WV uh you might want to watch the Herd men's basketball team!

 

[GK4Herd]

I find it funny that people say that we can't know that Doc is being considered due to his "transparency" (or lack of) are the same ones that are sure that he isn't being considered. How do you guys know he isn't being considered? Give me a link or evidence that shows he's not. Your thoughts that you are passing off as facts sound an awful lot like opinions to me.

 

[oldeherd]

5150 how many D1 football players cone out of WV annually? Any idea? I'm curious. We are getting the Mitchell kid from Point Pleasant. Once again not every kid wants to stay here to play college football. As for kids from WV uh you might want to watch the Herd men's basketball team!

Then again, neutral, based on the first three games, you MAY NOT want to watch the Herd men's basketball team!!

 

[Chevy1]

This thread is amazing. For those of you who don't remember, we won the conference last year with both Doc's recruits and coaching. Yet when he wins you guys rant about how he just has better players. Yet after a year we graduate the most statistically prolific quarterback and receiver in our history, have to start a true freshman at quarterback, lose the conference's best running back and an all conference lineman, and fight habitual injury on the offensive line...we still put ourselves in a position to win the division in the last game of the year to face a team we've already beaten in the championship. We didn't win because WKU caught lightning in a bottle bringing a 6th year NFL quarterback back with a senior loaded squad. We'll likely be favored the next few years yet you guys think we have a poor coach. It's almost embarrassing.

Great post GK...hit the nail on the head.