Possible AAC Expansion

[The Real SamC]

Log onto ESPN3 and watch the 30 for 30 "Requiem for the Big East".

Same path. A league can be all-sports or basketball only. You cannot be a some play football, some don't, league. Killed the Big East.

The question now is how soon until the B12 goes to 12? Within the year, certainly. Arseco did not make this move unless he knew, or at least strongly suspected, that somebody is getting rescued. Probably UConn and Cincy.

 

[Herd Fever]

The Big XII will fold before they go to 12.

Like I've always said

Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech to the PAC-12

Kansas and Iowa State to the Big 10

WVU to the ACC

Baylor, TCU, and Kansas State either Indy or to the Mountain West with UTEP.

 

[The Real SamC]

I don't think so. First remember that Arseco is a dishonest person, and he has spewed out 100 plans for the Exit Fee Conference (Boise, San Diego, keeping the BcS slot, Power 6, Hawaii, blah, blah, blah) none of which came true. He knows something is up. Otherwise why go down that very same path the original Big East went down. And for Wichita State. Yeah, the powers at network HQ are really stuck on dominating DMA #66 (0.38% of the population) .

Now it could be that UConn is going to give up on I-A football or go back to I-AA and take basketball home to the new Big East. That is a posibility. It could be that Temple's well documented budget problems will finally cause it to do what the Market has been telling it to do since forever and go away. Also possible.

But the most likely scenario is somebody is getting rescued.

As to the Big 12, Texas will not go anywhere as long as ESPN is paying for its idiotic Longhorn Network over-bid, so that leaves out any of the others going anywhere either. And the ACC will never take WVU. We knew that when they passed on it the last time for Louisville of all schools.

 

[MARSHALL77]

Big deal we are in the mighty CUSA who needs something like the AAC and television on normal networks.

 

[bbneutralfan]

We asked for membership in CUSA and we got it. End of story.

 

[portico]

I don't think so. First remember that Arseco is a dishonest person, and he has spewed out 100 plans for the Exit Fee Conference (Boise, San Diego, keeping the BcS slot, Power 6, Hawaii, blah, blah, blah) none of which came true. He knows something is up. Otherwise why go down that very same path the original Big East went down. And for Wichita State. Yeah, the powers at network HQ are really stuck on dominating DMA #66 (0.38% of the population) .

Now it could be that UConn is going to give up on I-A football or go back to I-AA and take basketball home to the new Big East. That is a posibility. It could be that Temple's well documented budget problems will finally cause it to do what the Market has been telling it to do since forever and go away. Also possible.

But the most likely scenario is somebody is getting rescued.

As to the Big 12, Texas will not go anywhere as long as ESPN is paying for its idiotic Longhorn Network over-bid, so that leaves out any of the others going anywhere either. And the ACC will never take WVU. We knew that when they passed on it the last time for Louisville of all schools.

Honestly what are you talking about? Big 12 is going to expand? Uconn drop football? Aresco dishonest? AAC going way of Old BE?

Big 12 expansion is dead. Uconn cannot afford to drop football any lowere as they need for any hope they have of getting in ACC. Navy has no basketball in AAC, WS essentially becomes Navy's basketball team.

Aresco is not a liar. He advocates for AAC and has just put the league into a stronger brand and financial position.

AAC making nice moves for its future.

 

[Herd Fever]

Wichita State is viability only matters for as long Gregg Marshall stays.

Once he leaves they will be back to the no name commuter school that nobody has heard off.

 

[jocktalker]

Commuter achool? You obviously don't know much about college basketball history.

Wichita State has been to 14 NCAA tournaments, two Final Fours, four Elite Eights and eight Sweet Sixteens.

Greg Marshall has had a great run but Wichita State played basketball before he got there.

 

[Herd Fever]

Sorry didn't hear much of anything about Wichita State before Gregg Marshall showed up. That still doesn't make them a good overall Athletic Department.

 

[jocktalker]

Sorry didn't hear much of anything about Wichita State before Gregg Marshall showed up. That still doesn't make them a good overall Athletic Department.

Basketball is the school's primary claim to fame and while it's overall athletic programs might be average or below, it's hardly a commuter school.

 

[The Real SamC]

When you have 1400 dorm slots and 14K students, you are a commuter school. That has nothing to do with how good or bad the basketball team is. UNLV is a commuter school and was when it won the NC.

 

[Herd Fever]

Atleast UNLV is about 4 blocks from the Strip

 

[bbneutralfan]

Ahmmm. We asked to be in CUSA. Time to stop thinking about what could have been. We are in to stay. We have no one in the Marshall administration even thinking about being proactive to move to another conference. Why? NO ONE WANTS US!

 

[dangerousdaneerfan]

The Big XII will fold before they go to 12.

Like I've always said

Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech to the PAC-12

Kansas and Iowa State to the Big 10

WVU to the ACC

Baylor, TCU, and Kansas State either Indy or to the Mountain West with UTEP.

Fever, the only way WVU ends up in the ACC is IF, and I mean IF, the Blue Bloods on Tobacco Road tell Notre Dame to shit or get off the pot with their half in/half out football plans. No one in Providence had the balls to do that.

 

[pdbailey]

Honestly what are you talking about? Big 12 is going to expand? Uconn drop football? Aresco dishonest? AAC going way of Old BE?

Big 12 expansion is dead. Uconn cannot afford to drop football any lowere as they need for any hope they have of getting in ACC. Navy has no basketball in AAC, WS essentially becomes Navy's basketball team.

Aresco is not a liar. He advocates for AAC and has just put the league into a stronger brand and financial position.

AAC making nice moves for its future.

My guess is that if your school was still in CUSA you would be saying the opposite. I agree with Fever that the AAC should go to 16 and poach from CUSA to weaken us further, but my guess is that Marshall would still not be invited despite our facility upgrades in football and improved men's basketball ball program. There is simply no desire from a certain group of schools in the AAC to be tied to WV. We are stuck in CUSA unless we start getting equal funding for the school from the state as WVU to improve our academics and athletics, and that definitely will never happen. I'll support our teams regardless of the conference but you know it is bad when the Governor, a Marshall grad and booster, is threatening to turn the school into a community college because he isn't getting his way. Unless we can start earning access bowl bids and NCAA tournament bids we are screwed as a school and athletic department.

 

[jocktalker]

My guess is that if your school was still in CUSA you would be saying the opposite. I agree with Fever that the AAC should go to 16 and poach from CUSA to weaken us further, but my guess is that Marshall would still not be invited despite our facility upgrades in football and improved men's basketball ball program. There is simply no desire from a certain group of schools in the AAC to be tied to WV. We are stuck in CUSA unless we start getting equal funding for the school from the state as WVU to improve our academics and athletics, and that definitely will never happen. I'll support our teams regardless of the conference but you know it is bad when the Governor, a Marshall grad and booster, is threatening to turn the school into a community college because he isn't getting his way. Unless we can start earning access bowl bids and NCAA tournament bids we are screwed as a school and athletic department.

To be fair, I don't think Gov. Justice ever threatened to turn Marshall into a community college. I think he just compared the current state of affairs in the athletic department to a community college. Jim wants Marshall to succeed.

 

[Herd Fever]

Fever, the only way WVU ends up in the ACC is IF, and I mean IF, the Blue Bloods on Tobacco Road tell Notre Dame to shit or get off the pot with their half in/half out football plans. No one in Providence had the balls to do that.

The ACC needs to force ND hands. The scheduling agreement is unfair for the full time Members

 

[The Real SamC]

Notre Dame and the ACC have a symbiotic relationship. The formulistic bowl system of #3 this conference plays #5 that conference in X Bowl, automatically does not work for UND, so they have this deal to get in the ACC's bowl mix. And it is hard for an independent, even UND to get games later in the year when teams want to play in-conference. The ACC gets 3 or 4 home games, to which it owns the TV rights, against UND per year, which increases the value of their TV package. In 2019 the ACC will join the other three major conferences in launching its own TV channel and the UND TV rights will help force it on cable in a lot of places that really don't care about the ACC.

BTW, THE AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!! just sold its in-house bowl game, the Miam Beach Bowl (played on a football field weirdly wedged into the Marlins' baseball only ballpark) to ESPN (which owns most minor bowls), which will move it to the home of the Dallas soccer team in the far suburbs of DFW. Same field is home to the I-AA Finals. It is about 35 miles from UNT. The mighty AAC, cashing out another asset.

 

[beefcake0520]

Notre Dame and the ACC have a symbiotic relationship. The formulistic bowl system of #3 this conference plays #5 that conference in X Bowl, automatically does not work for UND, so they have this deal to get in the ACC's bowl mix. And it is hard for an independent, even UND to get games later in the year when teams want to play in-conference. The ACC gets 3 or 4 home games, to which it owns the TV rights, against UND per year, which increases the value of their TV package. In 2019 the ACC will join the other three major conferences in launching its own TV channel and the UND TV rights will help force it on cable in a lot of places that really don't care about the ACC.

BTW, THE AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!! just sold its in-house bowl game, the Miam Beach Bowl (played on a football field weirdly wedged into the Marlins' baseball only ballpark) to ESPN (which owns most minor bowls), which will move it to the home of the Dallas soccer team in the far suburbs of DFW. Same field is home to the I-AA Finals. It is about 35 miles from UNT. The mighty AAC, cashing out another asset.

The ND relationship with the ACC is pretty much exactly as it was with the BE. While it didn't cause the breakup to happen, it surely aided in it. If anyone remembers much, there were many member institutions angry come bowl season because a non-full member would bump them from bowl position, such as the old gator bowl. I have always said that these conferences shouldn't give in to ND if ND wants a piece of the pie, make them go all in or all out. That is the only way their hand will get forced. It will not break up the ACC, ND is the only non full member unlike the BE used to be, but it will still cause conflict during bowl season in time.

Sounds like the AAC gave up on the Miami bowl, shame, had potential to be a top G5 bowl. Makes one wonder what brought that on and why ESPN, considering their in house issues, would purchase it, then move it to a much less desirable location.

 

[Herd Fever]

The Frisco Bowl will no doubt be a AAC/Big 12 Match up.

In the end, the AAC will land another bowl game against a P5 conference.