Prayers Up For Damar Hamlin

[marshallisqbu]

If true (he arrested again in hospital) that doesn’t seem good. Hope this dude pulls through.

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I agree with that and meant to add that up there. Either the original arrest trigger was still present, pe, myocarditis, infarct etc or the damage to his heart was so bad from the original event that his pathway is done.

If it was a pe, myocarditis, or mi I just don’t see why that would happen right after a direct blow. It would be a huge coincidence.

 

[KyMUfan]

Throughout this discussion I couldn't help but think Goodell and the NFL are wishing against commotio cordis. There would be issues with the players' union, research teams, equipment redesigns and testing, etc.

 

[KyMUfan]

Back to an earlier question that went unanswered. I have heard of instances whereby a person has had a cardiac episode and "were dead before they hit the ground".

If it were indeed commotio cordis would the cardiac episode be concurrent with the hit or would he have been able to hop up like he did (adrenaline, etc.) only to collapse 2 or 3 seconds after the hit?

 

[-CarlHungus-]

Back to an earlier question that went unanswered. I have heard of instances whereby a person has had a cardiac episode and "were dead before they hit the ground".

If it were indeed commotio cordis would the cardiac episode be concurrent with the hit or would he have been able to hop up like he did (adrenaline, etc.) only to collapse 2 or 3 seconds after the hit?

Hopping up after the hit doesn't seem abnormal at all to me. If he went into an arrythmia (presumable ventricular fibrillation) you still have a few seconds of good blood pressure/brain perfusion. However, after a hand ful of seconds the blood flow/pressure slows down and then you pass out.

 

[marshallisqbu]

It would take 2-3 seconds or longer for him to collapse most likely. Your heart beats every second or so, so without a heart beat your body would sustain for a few seconds.

 

[herdfan429]

Here’s Chris pronger getting up then collapsing.



There are many other examples of injury occurring than the person walking/moving for about 5-10 seconds. Lacrosse player Peter laatke story comes to mind. There’s also an OLD video on YouTube from a martial arts tournament where the person gets punched in the chest walks back to starting position then collapses.

 

[murox]

If true (he arrested again in hospital) that doesn’t seem good. Hope this dude pulls through.

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Hey 429, given this update would you like to amend your diagnosis or are you still going with the exceedingly-rare condition that has never occurred in the history of professional football?

 

[murox]

Meanwhile…

 

[19MU88]

Hey 429, given this update would you like to amend your diagnosis or are you still going with the exceedingly-rare condition that has never occurred in the history of professional football?

no worries. he's a trained physical therapist or something and fully qualified to diagnose from his couch.

 

[herdfan429]

Hey 429, given this update would you like to amend your diagnosis or are you still going with the exceedingly-rare condition that has never occurred in the history of professional football?

No I wouldn’t. As I’ve said based on what I’ve seen it’s commotio cordis

 

[i am herdman]

Let's be honest here. That guy damn near dropped dead from a heart attack. He still might not make it.

That hit was just the easy button to push for what happened. BS. Maybe he hit did it, but I have my doubts.

There are too many occurences of it.

 

[murox]

No I wouldn’t. As I’ve said based on what I’ve seen it’s commotio cordis

Have you called the hospital to tell them?

 

[herdfan429]

Looks like he was only resuscitated once

 

[HerdFan73]

Looks like he was only resuscitated once

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Yes seems that info came from an uncle who showed up in town and started giving interviews outside the ER.

Of course CNN just ran with it.

I should have known to question anything coming from those losers.

 

[-CarlHungus-]

Looks like he was only resuscitated once

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I was wondering if family was confusing/confounding "shocked" with "resuscitated."

 

[wvkeeper(HN)]

 

[-CarlHungus-]

Read the substack from McCullough. HS and younger kids would be at much greater risk than a 24 year old.

I read it. I think McCollough isn’t as good as Murthy .

I also think Kory is off on stuff. I remember how he was the champion of high dose vitamin C for sepsis and was very wrong on it once the trials were done. This was way back when I was an intern nearly 15 years ago. I remember reading his stuff then (or at least reading about vitamin C for sepsis). Memory is fuzzy this far out.

They seem to speak of such certainty and I think there’s more room for nuance. I don’t think there’s strong enough data.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

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Liberals might "come for football" but no one will care. Fans are truly fanatical, and there is too much money involved.

Change will happen because players will demand it, much as we have seen with CTE awareness bringing about changes.

I love football, but can admit that the more we know we might begin to think it's not worth playing.

 

[wvkeeper(HN)]

 

[marshallisqbu]

Hamlin is awake and wrote yesterday to ask who won the game. What an incredible update.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Hamlin is awake and wrote yesterday to ask who won the game. What an incredible update.

At least we have one real man that thinks it was crazy to call a game because of his accident. 😉

 

[i am herdman]

The NFL announced today the game would not be replayed.

 

[herdfan429]

For the healthcare nerds here’s article about some of the communications between medical staff and others during the cardiac arrest

‘We’re Going to Need Everybody’: Recordings Captured Response to N.F.L. Crisis

When Damar Hamlin’s heart stopped during a game on Monday night, medical personnel can be heard responding to the kind of emergency the league hoped it would never face.

www.nytimes.com

 

[raleighherdfan]

Do any of you folks remember the Detroit Lions player who broke his neck and needed to be inhibited on the field before he was moved?? I can’t remember the year…but it was during the modern era.

Football is a violent game. It’s a miracle that more life threatening injuries don’t happen—but it’s always possible. If you don’t want to see it…don’t watch.

 

[herdfan429]

Breathing tube has been removed and damar was able to FaceTime teammates during a meeting

Bills announce Damar Hamlin had breathing tube removed overnight, 'continues to progress remarkably'

Buffalo Bills safety Damar Hamlin, who suffered a cardiac arrest during Monday's game against the Bengals, had his breathing tube removed overnight and "continues to progress remarkably in his recovery," the Bills announced on Friday, per the physicians at the University of Cincinnati Medical...

www.nfl.com

 

[SamSwimmer]

Obviously today's game has taken on an entirely different meaning for Buffalo (& the NFL, really) but if the fans don't dildo the field, I'll be shocked.

 

[herdfan06]

Obviously today's game has taken on an entirely different meaning for Buffalo (& the NFL, really) but if the fans don't dildo the field, I'll be shocked.

 

[SamSwimmer]

Dildos for Damar - if someone doesn't throw one on the field with his number on it, I'll actually be disappointed in the Bills Mafia

 

[SamSwimmer]

.....And there's a dildo on the field 😁😂

 

[herdfan06]

.....And there's a dildo on the field 😁😂

What is the backstory to dildos for Hamlin?

 

[SamSwimmer]

What is the backstory to dildos for Hamlin?

They would have thrown at least one dildo on the field regardless. It's become a tradition in Buffalo against the Pats. It just happens to coincide with Damar's recovery.

 

[herdfan06]

He is expecting to be released in the coming days.

 

[marshallisqbu]

I hope he gets another vaccine before leaving.

 

[KyMUfan]

I just stumbled on this article and thought it was interesting. I don't remember this happening but not a hockey fan.

NHL MVP Chris Pronger Suffered Commotio Cordis in '98, 'Feel For' Hamlin Family

Chris Pronger is a Hall of Famer, but perhaps is more known for his own terrifying in-game medical emergency -- the former NHL MVP suffered commotio cordis after taking a slapshot to the heart during a 1998 playoff game.

www.tmz.com

"FYI, Hamlin's physicians, in a briefing from the hospital earlier this week, have said it's too early to determine if commotio cordis or another heart issue caused the medical emergency."

Anyone know of any updates as to the cause?

I did find this article.

Cardiologist explains possible cause of Damar Hamlin going into cardiac arrest

Sutter Cardiologist and American Heart Association volunteer Dr. David Roberts says there are a couple possibilities when it comes to what caused the cardiac arrest.

www.abc10.com

"Lastly, commotio cordis. It's when the heart stops from a shock to the chest. Roberts says this is very rare and that in this case CPR would bring a person back immediately, which isn't what happened with Hamlin."

 

[SamSwimmer]

If pinpointing the origin of Covid is a mystery (that will completely unravel a narrative) you think they'll deviate from commotio cortis?

 

[WV-FAN]

refused to answer what doctors say cause was.

Damar Hamlin says he's 'great' physically but 'working through things' emotionally | CNN

Six weeks after he experienced a cardiac arrest on the football field, Buffalo Bills safety Damar Hamlin said he's "doing great" physically but is "still working through things" emotionally.

www.cnn.com

 

[WV-FAN]

Of course there’s a lot more nuance to it than just getting hit in the chest. From what I’ve read/remember you need about 50Joukes of energy to stretch the myocardium enough to cause vfib. It’s not enough to necessarily cause physical damage to chest wall. The force of two nfl players running full steam at each other with all of the force being applied to anterior chest wall could reach that

if he'd have jouked just a couple times, he might not have gotten hurt.

mmmk, on a serious note, the silence in his answer when asked what the doctors indicated had happened to him was extremely telling. dude has been silenced. commodo dragon corditis? why not say it, not like whatever happened was the result of sucking a donkey dong. because it wasn't.

wonder what his plans are for his next booster . . .

 

[SamSwimmer]

if he'd have jouked just a couple times, he might not have gotten hurt.

mmmk, on a serious note, the silence in his answer when asked what the doctors indicated had happened to him was extremely telling. dude has been silenced. commodo dragon corditis? why not say it, not like whatever happened was the result of sucking a donkey dong. because it wasn't.

wonder what his plans are for his next booster . . .

It is a little weird that every other single piece of this has been made into national news with the exception of the single thing they told him that caused his death.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

why not say it

Because PEDs or cocaine.

 

[WV-FAN]

Because PEDs or cocaine.

so, the commodo dragon didn't get him?