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Stadium Renderings
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Perhaps, but how much additional space is needed to build up instead of down the foul lines? I realize building up isn't a direct straight line to the sky, but how far back would adding ten rows be? I don't have the answer to that, but I can't envision it entails a substantial amount of more space.
That has nothing to do with it. Everything I have said has logical merits to them that hurt Marshall by not doing it like just about every other school. Let's take a tour of C-USA stadiums and see what they all have in common:
As you can see, they've all done it like I suggested. Build the big stadium part of it first. Aesthetically, it's a far bigger/better/more impressive looking stadium. That is big for recruiting. On top of that, it's much easier to extend down the lines to expand instead of having to remove the press box and build up if expansion is ever needed. Some of the stadiums, as you can see, have done exactly that when expansion is necessary.
Doing it as every other C-USA school (and just about every other legit stadium) has done allows for the things I listed: berm areas for college students/families with children, an area where locker room/indoor hitting cages can be built if what you're saying is true (space is severely limited behind home plate), a more impressive looking stadium, etc.
Are they all doing it the wrong way and Marshall is doing it the right way? Doubtful. Again, it may be a money or space issue, but I can't imagine either of those being much different considering what is designed and what the alternative to doing it like every other school would be.
I just like reading Sammy act like he never suggested this project would never happen.
this is exactly why Marshall will have perfectly mediocre athletics for the rest of time. Because the majority of our fan base simply sees nothing wrong with waiting 50 years, spending millions of dollars, and then having a joke of a ceremony and putting together a completely bland stadium.
And you are wrong... because there’s a 4th option. Do the stadium the right way. Create renderings that get people excited so they will donate money. That’s literally the purpose of renderings. Instead we come up with these drawings that look like they were made by a 101 graphic design student and slap them on a board and ask people to donate millions of dollars because “we waited a long time and if you don’t donate you hate Marshall.” No. That’s ridiculous. This “we don’t have the money to do it nice, so be happy with slop” is a crutch. And it’s one that you guys have bought.
Just a thought...besides the parking, it is a pretty small footprint that was hemmed in by roads and an active rail line.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/J...5ed11890962827!8m2!3d38.2053352!4d-85.7631538
To compare what MU is trying to do with what U of L has is just plain foolish. Louisville has facilities and resources, $$$$$, dollar wise and other wise, that MU doesn't even dare dream of. U of L's facilities put those at WVU to shame, and we all know, or should know, how the EERS virtually eat up the massive lion's share of available capital dollars from the State!
do you have any idea how much more it would cost to build the stadium with bleachers centered behind the plate instead of spread out?
well, maybe you should stop by and have a discussion with Mike this afternoon. be sure and let him know that you're a reds fan, and you expect the Herd to have a stadium that competes with the 'Great American Ball Park'. Also, be sure and let him know, that even though you seldom attend a game, didn't contribute to the stadium fund, and aren't even a paid member of Herd Nation, that you demand a bigger and better stadium that meets all of your needs.
Well shit fire, let's not even bother with seats, they cost money.
UofL's baseball stadium cost $10m. I believe MU is spending $22m. I know inflation and all that....but yeah we are spending at least a similar amount. WVU's cost $25m. We are all in the same ballpark here.
How does UofL's baseball field put WVU's to shame (I know the product on the field puts WVU to shame, but that's another discussion)? UofL seats 3k in the seats behind home, WVU 2500. They appear to be very similar in design. UofL's is sorta on campus, WVU's not. UofL, you can get stabbed for your wallet a block from the stadium, WVU probably not. Sounds like a wash to me.
You know what actually is plain foolish? Coming into an argument with emotion instead of facts.
Someone asked for a design that fit in a small footprint, and I bothered to go an extra step and find one also built on a brown-field site. Twice Marshall has cheaped on major sports facilities (the Cam plain sucks, football did not have adequate restrooms and concourse space). Let's do the best we can here.
Well, let's be honest here. It's not exactly like the seats will be filled every game. Why try and create the PNC Park of college baseball, when there won't be anyone there.
WVU ground prep was done, illegally, with DOH gasoline tax money, which was another $5M or so in value, so de facto $30M.
What is actually plain foolish is having an argument about a fully adequate facility because a few internet posters want it to look like the Reds park or something an ACC team has.
The Cam’s issues come down to two words. Jay Rockefailure, the worst person ever to set foot in this state. Among his many crimes against humanity was his massive and unneeded budget cutting of that project. Sad to say this isn’t even on the first page of that idiot’s evil deeds towards this university, let alone to this state. There was nothing the administration could do but grin and bear it. And everybody involved in it is now dead.
As to the football stadium, I simply disagree. When built it was state of the art and many schools looked at it when planning their new places.
Including, umm, Louisville.
But the bigger point is the things to compare this place to are not the football stadium or the near 40 year old basketball arena, but to the IPF (any criticism?), Dot Hicks Field, and most especially to the soccer stadium. The soccer field, AFAIK and I will admit I don’t know much about soccer, seems perfectly adequate and fine for this NON REVENUE small time sport. Same with Dot Hicks.
Fact is, after the newness wears off we are talking about week day winter games drawing parents and girlfriends. Spring time weekend games, after the newness wears off, 1000 maybe? 1500? I found a 2015 document on the NCAA’s website about baseball live gate, and after a few true majors teams, the best “G5” level school was Louisiana-Lafayette at near 4K/game, in sunny winter free Louisiana. The best school I could find with a climate similar to ours and at our level of doing things was Wichita State at 2.4K/game. And they don’t play football. The list was the top 50 and 50th was 1100/game.
It fine. The only people disappointed are the rich fat white guys around town who want MU to clear out each May and rent them the place at a loss so they can play-pretend that are baseball owners in some wanna be but never will be independent league.
More constant blaming of the state, WVU, and other sources of problems that aren't actually true. Jesus man do you ever shut up with the blaming of everyone else for your own problems? Believe or not, not everyone is corrupt, not everything WVU does is illegal, not everyone is out to get Marshall, not every politician hates Huntington, not every fan is fairweather, and not everything you say is accurate.... to ALL of those its actually quite the contrary.
Since Sammy is a coward and blocks my posts, somebody should repost all of the C-USA stadiums and show him that they are all almost done exactly like I suggest Marshall's is built. It isn't wanting to have a park like "something an ACC team has," but rather, just trying to compete with the stadiums in our own conference.
Again, how come none of you defenders on here can justify why Marshall's design is entirely opposite of what just about every other legitimate stadium, including all of Marshall's conference mates, have? Clearly, there is a reason they are all designed like that. So what is the justification for Marshall doing it differently and losing out?
I'm not in love with the stadium design but there are a ton of examples from around the country with similar seating bowl set-ups. I really don't find the MU stadium renderings THAT outrageous.
App Power Park
BB&T Point (opened this year)
Nats/Astros training facility in Palm Beach
New Stadium design where I live in VA opening in 2020
App Power Park
BB&T Point (opened this year)
Nats/Astros training facility in Palm Beach
New Stadium design where I live in VA opening in 2020
Perhaps you should run for WVAG.
The fvck? Rifle posted photos of every single C-USA baseball facility. How is that arguing to build GABP or an ACC facility? Me, I simply posted a park I knew that was hemmed in and built on a toxic dump...it just happened to be ACC. Because, well I've been there and knew it was hemmed in and am familiar with the brown fields UofL has built their facilities over (hell, Dad worked for the L&N at the South Louisville shops).
I am also familiar with the story behind that facility. And the HCC. Re-explaining it does not change a desire to get things right, it is just the usual SamC excuses for everything.
What would a state-of-the-art restroom look like? Would it have bidets? Maybe those shells from Demolition Man? There is zero wrong with our football STADIUM, we just fvcked up the restrooms and didn't plan a big enough concourse. It's like the built a stadium for 28k and figured only 10k would ever show up. So yeah, let's build the next thing as right as we can get it.
Sounds like a decent level to aspire to. I think 1000 average would be great, but you have to build it for 2500 because there will be big games.
No one plays football in the spring. Even playing field there. You are correct weather can suck...I've been to some cold-ass baseball games.
I could not care less about this line of horseshit. Bottom line, and here is where I agree with Rifle: the best seats are behind home. We all want to sit behind home. Sitting low down the lines will get your face broke, ask KO Marcum about that. Maybe we can run the nets to the poles and have people blow whistles when a ball clears them, like the Japs do (cue Herdman and the vaginication of America). We want to rattle the batter, call his mom a no-good sausage thief. There is a reason the stadiums Rifle posted have similar layouts.
And for the love of God, Marshall better serve beer. Watching baseball sober is like fishing sober.
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thank the Lord. I see some places where the coeds can hang out and sunbathe. since I have experience drinking with the coeds, I might have to show up and attend a few games, once this stadium is completed.Here's a better/bigger pic of the newest rendering:
I don’t watch enough baseball to have a dog in the fight, but Marshall’s rendering looks similar to what Boise State has drawn up.
https://boisedev.com/project/boise-state-baseball-park/
https://boisedev.com/project/boise-state-baseball-park/
One day when I was pulling up to the building where I worked, I noticed what a bland homely structure it was. I found a stock photo of the building on a brochure, scanned the illustration into my computer, and used a graphics program to add a second story and several central towers.
I printed out my project, had it framed, and hung it on the wall. It made me happy, and the other 100+ staff who worked there and didn't give a shit what the building looked like got a good laugh.
Might be a good solution for those who hate the stadium, but will never set foot on campus or attend a game there.
I printed out my project, had it framed, and hung it on the wall. It made me happy, and the other 100+ staff who worked there and didn't give a shit what the building looked like got a good laugh.
Might be a good solution for those who hate the stadium, but will never set foot on campus or attend a game there.
This is such a silly argument thread! If we could be transported back to 1975, and MU would have found the funding and the bold decision would have been made to proceed with this very design in this exact location, there would have been dancing on the grass and everyone who loves and supports this school would have been extremely happy to get this kind of an upgrade done! We have become victims of our own relative success, chips on our shoulders & gluttons for slicing ourselves in a misguided attempt to be able to deal with the stress of being fans of our beloved school. The outside world must shake their heads in disbelief and astonishment that a group of human beings can generate this level of self-loathing and negative vibe.
Wow.
Wow.
The late great Arch Moore himself said that if someone gave away $100 bills on a street corner in Huntington, someone would complain about which street corner he was on.
We do not need to copy Jap baseball. Baseball is an American sport and part of very fiber in this country. Talking shit behind the plate is American as a hot dog. I want to sit behind home plate and talk to the batter of the other team and when we are up I am going to talk about their catcher and his ancestry. That is a time honored tradition passed on from generation to generation. Plus, how are you going to work the umpire if you don't have enough seats behind home plate?
They love smelling Brut 33 , Stetson, or Old Spice on a warm spring day. They get tired of the limp wristed man bun wearing Axe spray boys with no money.
That is actually part of the Appalachian Culture. We love to bitch and be negative. That makes us happy.
I have watched MU vs UNCWilmington in Wilmington and never heard their fans harassing the opponent.
And our new stadium sketch looks much better than the one in UNCW. looking forward to seeing it in person when its complete.
And our new stadium sketch looks much better than the one in UNCW. looking forward to seeing it in person when its complete.
Sad thing is...many who are the least involved and contribute the bare minumum are the most vocally against/critical of anything MU does.
MU could build an entire new graduate campus and the few on here would complain about the color scheme.
Sad thing is...even if reds had the money and initiative to do this, he wouldn't.
He's complaining about something he never would have gone to in the first place.
On that note, this field and stadium has been bought and paid for already.
These design/renderings have been around for a while, so when Hamrick was doing the fundraising, these pictures were fully on display.
If anyone, and it appears plenty of MU baseball alumni and former players, disliked what they saw, do you honestly think they wouldn't have told Hamrick, or donated?
They liked said renderings enough to donate money and be on board with the project.
Goddamn Sam is right about that quote...even when the fans don't have to pay for something, they complain.
Although I'd laugh my ass off if the Reds ended up having a Minor League affiliate here...and reds would blow up because he hates the stadium but enjoys terrible baseball.
Here's a better/bigger pic of the newest rendering:
I also don't think it's that outrageous, but I think the design has severe flaws to it that hurt the overall product. There is a reason why all of the C-USA stadiums (and the others) are designed a certain way.
I mean, look at the rows inside of the dugouts. They are 7-8 rows deep. Compare that to the stadiums you posted which have twice as many rows inside of the dugouts . . . and none of those are college stadiums.
If you look at the crowds at college stadiums, the areas where people sit the most are from dugout to dugout and then the berm areas or an outfield area. Why? Dugout to dugout are the families, season ticket holders, and loyal fans. Those people are already won over. Every school will have those groups. Any fans down the lines are scarce, because the casual observer who is there for entertainment (as opposed to being there to watch family or because they are a loyal fan) wants more than just the game. They want to socialize, drink, take their shirt off on a nice day, etc. Those are the fans that schools need to win over and turn into loyal fans. Without providing them that those additional entertainment values, they aren't going to want to sit down the lines and have no additional added value. They will never have the opportunity to become loyal fans, because their rare visit to the stadium won't be worthwhile until they build a relationship with the team (done by getting them to enjoy going to the games with the add-on values).
Jesus, I hope it looks better considering UNCW's field was built in 1957. But great example - look at how they did it. They first built a stadium base - the area from dugout to dugout. It allowed them the ability to build hitting cages down the line instead of spreading fans thin down the lines. Then, after making their stadium base, they expanded to some additional seating down the lines.
Then, explain to us why almost every other fvcking school does it a certain way, including all of the ones I posted from C-USA, yet Marshall is doing it a different way. Explain the advantages that Marshall's way provides compared to the way almost every other stadium has been built.
Perhaps, but how much additional space is needed to build up instead of down the foul lines? I realize building up isn't a direct straight line to the sky, but how far back would adding ten rows be? I don't have the answer to that, but I can't envision it entails a substantial amount of more space.
That has nothing to do with it. Everything I have said has logical merits to them that hurt Marshall by not doing it like just about every other school. Let's take a tour of C-USA stadiums and see what they all have in common:
As you can see, they've all done it like I suggested. Build the big stadium part of it first. Aesthetically, it's a far bigger/better/more impressive looking stadium. That is big for recruiting. On top of that, it's much easier to extend down the lines to expand instead of having to remove the press box and build up if expansion is ever needed. Some of the stadiums, as you can see, have done exactly that when expansion is necessary.
Doing it as every other C-USA school (and just about every other legit stadium) has done allows for the things I listed: berm areas for college students/families with children, an area where locker room/indoor hitting cages can be built if what you're saying is true (space is severely limited behind home plate), a more impressive looking stadium, etc.
Are they all doing it the wrong way and Marshall is doing it the right way? Doubtful. Again, it may be a money or space issue, but I can't imagine either of those being much different considering what is designed and what the alternative to doing it like every other school would be.
Stadium above ODU's (or 3rd from last picture) looks like it has seating for about 5 hundred fans. And the limited picture of WKU's facility doesn't look like it is anything "special". Again, I realize that these are limited pictures and do not give a full panoramic picture of each facility.
Sorry, Obialo, but quite a bit about what was said re: WVU IS TRUE!! MU is very limited on its ability to approve the issuance of State backed revenue bonds for capital projects, whether for athletic or for academic purposes. WVU has no such restrictions. Their BOG approves a project and then can go straight to the bond market. MU's BOG can approve a comparatively small amount of bonds for projects, but for any major, higher cost capital projects, it has to go through the HEPC and then the Legislature for approval. That's why MU is constantly raising, asking, begging, etc., for PRIVATE giving and funds. That's how the Hoops soccer facility, the IAF, Cline Complex were built and how the baseball facility and the Graduate School of Business WILL BE BUILT. On the other hand, instead of raising private funds, MU has no other choice but to go to those public private deals which were used for the Rec Center construction, the dorms behind the Cam, and the new Pharmacy Bldg. and Graduate housing units along Hal Greer.
olde - your comments just illustrate how massively the footprint is being enlarged + upgraded! Weisburg engineering school added to that list. GSoB is going to be a game changer imo. Marshall has improved academic & athletic infastructure biggly in the last 15 years. More to come, & I do heartily approve of the job Jerry Gilbert is doing!
1) show me where I compared this to Great American Ballpark?
2) I’ll go back to football and spend money out of my budget when games are enjoyable, (I guess that’s what you were referring to in saying I don’t attend games... not sure how you know about my attendance patterns. Creepy really.
3) I don’t pay for Herdnation... which directly impacts the athletic department.
4) not 1 place did I say I wanted a bigger stadium. But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of your whiny narrative.
Actually I plan to attend as many games as I can at the stadium. I’m a local baseball coach, I love the game, and would love a minor league team (probably won’t happen given the reduction in minor league teams that is coming) or at least a wood bat summer league. Baseball is my passion and I’m very excited we are getting a stadium. I will be there. I don’t hate the stadium, I want the stadium to be the best it can be for my alma mater
I just wish it was as good as it possibly could be, and feel like (as always) we are going about this wrong.
Your argument is literally: “this stadium we are building in 2019 would have been celebrated in 1975! We should celebrate it too!”
we aren’t competing for recruits in 1975. The conference we are in isn’t in 1975. Building a stadium from 1975 is unacceptable. Our program should be better than settling for what we would have loved in 1975.
Well, I can’t tell how old you are, but as a recently 60 something, I know you appreciate the fact that this project, which has been promised for my entire lifespan better damn well be celebrated! You love the game, I get it. But I am here to tell you that for the average Herd fan, this is a very good and overdue project, regardless of how it ends up.
I agree, it is extremely overdue. I’m 29. It has been overdue my entire life. My argument is not that this project shouldn’t happen. And I would rather have a stadium than not have a stadium.
my entire point is this: we’ve waited a long time for our stadium. Now that we are doing it, we need to do it right. I cannot imagine the cost being exponentially higher to have the seats centered behind home plate, again I could be wrong I’m not an architect but it shouldn’t be a deal breaker.
I am not saying that we shouldn’t have a stadium, I am saying people like you who have waited their entire life for a stadium deserve a state of the art facility that is as good as we can possibly afford. And from these renderings it seems like we are trying to go the “cheapest possible” route.
it’s the same reason I hated the ground breaking inside of the IPF instead of at the actual site. We waited this long let’s do it right.
Just take the rendering of the “club” which they displayed at the ground breaking. It’s essentially a room with folding tables and chairs. Why not have a wall dedicated to the history of baseball in Huntington? Black and white Pictures of baseball at the steel mills... the story of some of the teams that have been here. A collage of the roots of baseball in Huntington.
I realize it’s a rendering and we may end up having something similar to what I described in the end (and I hope so). But if that’s an option why not have the most detailed rendering with the absolute best possible outcome possible? That way people can see what they are donating for. That way there can be a buzz generated.
My inclusion of the stadiums wasn’t to show whose were better. It was to show that they all use the same design - the one that is best for numerous reasons - instead of the one Marshall is using.
A stadium built 30 years ago isn’t going to look as good as one built this year. The point was that they all share a similar design.
Look down the left field line in the first picture. See what it is? It’s an inflatable slide in a children’s area. That school knows that a family with young children won’t be able to be entertained for 3+ hours sitting restrained in seats. So they provide other options for entertainment to allow everyone in the family to have fun and get them back for future games.
This is the berm area that I have referenced numerous times as being important. Marshall’s design doesn’t have that. Do you really think a family with young children will be entertained for an entire game?
There are many reasons why the design almost every other school uses is better. I’m still waiting for one reason Marshall’s design is better.
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