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Tariffs and cutting the govt will save the middle class.

i am herdman

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The middle class is being ripped a part when you look at the data. Tarfiff pain will be temporary and will be resolved. it is designed to get part of the manufacturing base back in America. That has tremendously hurt the working class/middle class. Cutting the government will reduce the burden of paying for it by the citizens. This is really the only way left to do it.
 
US citizens have been paying tariffs on goods from all over the world for years, and we have heard nothing about "US consumers are being hurt". More faux outrage from morons repeating what the Keynesian economists and their political lap dogs are saying.
 
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US citizens have been paying tariffs on goods from all over the world for years, and we have heard nothing about "US consumers are being hurt". More faux outrage from morons repeating what the Keynesian economists and their political lap dogs are saying.
We are also getting lower actual prices from them also as they have cheaper labor costs. Everybody loses with the tariffs except the ultra rich when they receive another large tax cut from Trump. He said he wants to have no taxes on anyone making less than 150,000 thousand dollars. I will believe that when I see it. That would be much better than what he actually will want being the ultra rich mans tax cut.
 
Think about what you just wrote.
I did think about everything I posted. governmen working doing jobs the Mexicans did .They would have to have higher wages to do those jobs which would result in higher prices for the consumer. Also Tariffs would cause higher prices for the consumer. That is not too hard to figure out .
 
Oldie, what do you think about no taxes on SS? I just finished my mother in law’s taxes. She got $29,000 in SS, because she has some pension and investment money, she has to pay taxes on almost $26,000 of that $29,000, which costs her $6,000.

How is Trump pushing no taxes on Social Security a tax break for the rich?
 
Oldie, what do you think about no taxes on SS? I just finished my mother in law’s taxes. She got $29,000 in SS, because she has some pension and investment money, she has to pay taxes on almost $26,000 of that $29,000, which costs her $6,000.

How is Trump pushing no taxes on Social Security a tax break for the rich?
I would like it. He has mentioned it. I believe it might happen but his priorty is on tariffs to pay for ultra tax breaks for the rich.
 
Oldie, what do you think about no taxes on SS? I just finished my mother in law’s taxes. She got $29,000 in SS, because she has some pension and investment money, she has to pay taxes on almost $26,000 of that $29,000, which costs her $6,000.

How is Trump pushing no taxes on Social Security a tax break for the rich?
SS is taken out pretax. It should be taxed maybe just at a lower rate
 
We are also getting lower actual prices from them also as they have cheaper labor costs. Everybody loses with the tariffs
So Oldie is OK with people losing their jobs in the US as their jobs move to other countries AND happy with US consumers paying the tariffs to subsidize other countries growth.
 
So Oldie is OK with people losing their jobs in the US as their jobs move to other countries AND happy with US consumers paying the tariffs to subsidize other countries growth.
It is a trade off Raleigh . we either get a more jobs or higher cost of products. Why do think so many major companies went to talk to Trump about the tariffs? It will hurt their bottom line.
 
Now you have A South Korean manufacturer moving production here. Tariffs creating high paying jobs for Americans.
 
It is a trade off Raleigh . we either get a more jobs or higher cost of products. Why do think so many major companies went to talk to Trump about the tariffs? It will hurt their bottom line.
Yet you're willing to hurt US company's bottom line with higher tax rates. You keep talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Frankly I would rather have more US jobs and pay a little more to cover that cost. You would rather pay for cheap walmart/china garbage imports and force people to take welfare because they cant find work. You're cruel. You're the reason America is in the mess it is.
 
I'm still waiting on the cost of eggs to come down (currently $5.97 doz.). And gas. I just paid $2.99 gal. today. We've been told both of those prices have been lowered .BS
 
I'm still waiting on the cost of eggs to come down (currently $5.97 doz.). And gas. I just paid $2.99 gal. today. We've been told both of those prices have been lowered .BS
I bought eggs for less than 4 and gas for 2.49
 
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I'm still waiting on the cost of eggs to come down (currently $5.97 doz.). And gas. I just paid $2.99 gal. today. We've been told both of those prices have been lowered .BS
I'm sure some of that also depends on the area you live, but the cost of both have gone down. They're not where people would be less likely to bitch yet but no reason to believe they won't continue to go down.
 
Depends on what kind of eggs and where you buy them. Cage free organics are much more expensive than the plain tasteless mass produced white eggs you can buy for cheap anywhere.

My gas has come down here. A tank fill up used to cost me -$67. Now it’s about -$61.
The days of low $2 gal are gone.
 
I would like it. He has mentioned it. I believe it might happen but his priorty is on tariffs to pay for ultra tax breaks for the rich.
tariffs are meant to get fair trade agreements and to get the industrial base back to the USA. It will help the middle class in the long run and it is a national security measure.
 
You dont even know what you're answering. Herdman was asking you about your comment suggesting you dont want higher paying jobs for US workers.
I did not say that . I said that we should not replace the Mexican workers with fired government employees. They would have to be paid higher wages than the Mexicans thus creating higher prices for the consumer. I dont think a former government employee would want to pick fruit and veggies or cook in an Asian restaurant or clean chickens or other low paying hard jobs of the sort. It is the republicans that fight the unions and fight against higher minimum wages. I favor both of these or workers would never be compensated properly.
 
Depends on what kind of eggs and where you buy them. Cage free organics are much more expensive than the plain tasteless mass produced white eggs you can buy for cheap anywhere.

My gas has come down here. A tank fill up used to cost me -$67. Now it’s about -$61.
The days of low $2 gal are gone.
Eggs at walmart this week were the cheapest I could find down to 4.97 which is 1 dollar cheaper than last time. I still wont buy them here.
 
tariffs are meant to get fair trade agreements and to get the industrial base back to the USA. It will help the middle class in the long run and it is a national security measure.
You will see if they are implemented we will be hurt and no one wins. Musk is losing share in the EU already and his stock has plummeted. This just an example of what can happen to large companies who do business overseas. Do you think that will help the middle class?
 
You will see if they are implemented we will be hurt and no one wins. Musk is losing share in the EU already and his stock has plummeted. This just an example of what can happen to large companies who do business overseas. Do you think that will help the middle class?
The middle class has already been crushed by 30 years of outsourcing. And do you want your generations that follow to be speaking Mandarin? We sold ourselves to the devil and made unfair deals while protecting the world and getting in endless wars while the rest of the world sat on their asses while we took care of them.

Didn't say it would not be painful in the short term, but something has to be done.
 
The middle class has already been crushed by 30 years of outsourcing. And do you want your generations that follow to be speaking Mandarin? We sold ourselves to the devil and made unfair deals while protecting the world and getting in endless wars while the rest of the world sat on their asses while we took care of them.

Didn't say it would not be painful in the short term, but something has to be done.
The middle class has been crushed not by outsoucing but by tax breaks and laws that favor the ultra rich. The wealth is flowing to the top wage earners in our country. Companies mostly have record earnings but they have not passed enought of that wealth to the working class. They get huge tax breaks which in itself should be good but most of the money they receive they use it for stock buybacks and huge bonuses for the executives (even companies that lose money] Companies have made huge profits using Chinese workers to assemble their products. We sell lots of food to China which helps the farmer . Why do you think they will take us over or for anyone else for that matter. Nuclear powered bombs have made a third world war hard to come by. Sure it could happen but more than likely would come from some more nation like North Korea or one of the Arab Nations.
 
It is the republicans that fight the unions and fight against higher minimum wages
make up your mind. yesterday you bitched about paying people more and wanting workers to stay in China, now this.

Eggs at walmart this week were the cheapest I could find down to 4.97 which is 1 dollar cheaper than last time. I still wont buy them here.
You would buy them if those eggs had come from China and cost you .25 less.
 

So dropping by almost half since Trump took office is “not dropping”? This represents the true commodity price which leads retail price.
 
I'm still waiting on the cost of eggs to come down (currently $5.97 doz.). And gas. I just paid $2.99 gal. today. We've been told both of those prices have been lowered .BS
You didn't complain when both went through the roof due to the incompetence of the previous administration, but you're complaining about this administration not getting the prices down (and they are lower) as quick as you want?

You sound like a bleater to me.
 
make up your mind. yesterday you bitched about paying people more and wanting workers to stay in China, now this.


You would buy them if those eggs had come from China and cost you .25 less.
That statement makes no sense. about the chinese thing you have our workers make them here and they make more money. The goods they buy cost more because the companies have to pay them more . Seems like it all comes out even for our workers. I will buy eggs when they are a 1.99 a dozen not until. I will repeat two statements I believe to be true. 1. Tariffs Trump is using is bad for everyone. 2. Trickle down economics has failed time and again. In this scenario the rich get rich and the middle class and the poor get poorer. Some say that is just the way it is. I say no it just failed Republican policies.
 
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You didn't complain when both went through the roof due to the incompetence of the previous administration, but you're complaining about this administration not getting the prices down (and they are lower) as quick as you want?

You sound like a bleater to me.
I havent bought eggs for a very long time ago. Dont matterwho is President. I will not pay for an over priced product.
 

So dropping by almost half since Trump took office is “not dropping”? This represents the true commodity price which leads retail price.
When they are 1.99 a dozen here in Kentucky where I live i will buy them not until. Not putting the blame anywhere but I do suspect some gouging .
 
That statement makes no sense. about the chinese thing you have our workers make them here and they make more money. The goods they buy cost more because the companies have to pay them more . Seems like it all comes out even for our workers. I will buy eggs when they are a 1.99 a dozen not until. I will repeat two statements I believe to be true. 1. Tariffs Trump is using is bad for everyone. 2. Trickle down economics has failed time and again. In this scenario the rich get rich and the middle class and the poor get poorer. Some say that is just the way it is. I say no it just failed Republican policies.
Blah blah blah.

Change your story and explanation some more. You had to disappear to regroup your talking points and come back to these same worn out narratives. We know what you wrote 2 days ago. You can’t lie your way out of it.
 
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