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So, you two lefties don't think that the EPA and this administration's stance on coal over the last 6 years have crippled the railroad and coal industries? Well, if that's the case, I'm sure you can explain what factors have contributed to the demise of these businesses.
 
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ThunderCat98 said:
So, you two lefties don't think that the EPA and this administration's stance on coal over the last 6 years have crippled the railroad and coal industries? Well, if that's the case, I'm sure you can explain what factors have contributed to the demise of these business.
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Sure thing...cheap natural gas, depletion of easy to reach coal, and mechanization.
 
I'll give you the cheap natural gas. The other two are bullshit. For example, mechanization might lessen coal jobs, but it would not impact the amount of coal being hauled on the railroads.

Nothing has had a bigger negative impact on coal production and jobs than the administration's environmental policies. This administration has used the EPA, OSHA, DOJ, and federal mine inspectors to do what it cannot get done through Congress - effectively castrating the coal industry. As a result, other jobs have suffered, primarily in the railroad industry.

But, I'm not sure why I even bother arguing with you. Your blind allegiance to a political party and anything it stands for is proof of your ignorance - even beyond the garbage you spew on here. Keep hiding your head in the sand.

As coal continues to dwindle it will necessarily impact Huntington, which has one of the largest inland ports in the nation as it pertains to tonnage moved. Less coal means less railroad and river jobs. Less jobs means less people building or remodeling homes. The effects will eventually trickle down to your small business as well. My question is this - will your blind loyalty continue when the failed policies of this dismal administration begin to impact your wallet?
 
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Less jobs means less people building or remodeling homes. The effects will eventually trickle down to your small business as well
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Easy there Thunder......Greed is adamant that he doesn't believe in "trickle down" effects at any point or scenario.
 
Ok genius, I want to know how obama started the coal mining job losses starting in the late 70s. The black man is powerful, his policies are retroactive 35 years.
 
herdfan429 said:
Ok he didn't start it he expedited it
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Since the beginning of Reagan's first term, w is the only president who saw a net increase in coal mining jobs. There have been less coal jobs lost under Obama than either Reagan, Bush1in one term, or Clinton as of 2013. So I don't know why you consider Obama as expediting it.
 
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Republicans don't understand truth, they watch the BS On Fox news and read conservative newspaper and think they know everything.

When people are moving away from dirty energy like coal, there will be a loss of jobs no doubt. So instead of bitching about it. Go educate yourself and find a new line of work. Simple as that.
 
One minute libs are demanding more benefits for the unfortunate blue collar worker. The next, they are insinuating they are lazy like fever and dtard do here. This is what happens when the common man entrusts his future to liberal political groups like unions. You are easily cast aside the minute you can be mocked.
 
dherd said:
THE CLASSIFIEDS ARE FULL OF JOBS GET OFF YOUR LAZY
CON ASS AND GO GET ONE.
http://www.wvjobfinder.com/
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extragreen said:
Twice as many coal miners lost their jobs under Reagan than under Obama.
Twice.
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And twice as many coal miners lost their jobs under Clinton as they did under Reagan. The fact is they made gains under Bush 43.Meanwhile, electricity prices are skyrocketing to all-time highs, according to the government’s own official statistics. The Electricity Price Index of the Bureau of Labor Statistics hit an all-time record in November, 20% higher than 6 years ago. That is another loss for the middle class, further reducing real incomes.My electric bill are out of control thanks to the policies of this administration.
 
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I doubt you were whining when electricity increased between 2002-2008.
 
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So Greed shows us a chart that ends almost 5 years ago?????? Inflation adjusted data also attempts to smooth out the data and removes a lot of the external market forces that do have impact on the actual price paid by consumers. It eliminates REAL dollar spending from the picture.

What is interesting to me is that over the last couple of years, (2013-present) during a time when commodity prices, like oil, coal, metals, precious metals, etc have seen exceptional DEFLATIONARY pressures.....the price of electricity has actually gone up per KWH to the consumer. Greed ignorantly ignores this fact. When the price of electricity should have been coming down further in real dollars, the govt monopolies (electric utilities) were forced to raise rates. This is what happens when regulations, and govt enforced pricing power run the system. True market forces CANT work.
http://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.cfm?t=epmt_5_6_a
 
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Obamer said he wanted to destroy the coal industry. Wow...he accomplished something.
 
ohio herd said:
And twice as many coal miners lost their jobs under Clinton as they did under Reagan. The fact is they made gains under Bush 43.Meanwhile, electricity prices are skyrocketing to all-time highs, according to the government’s own official statistics. The Electricity Price Index of the Bureau of Labor Statistics hit an all-time record in November, 20% higher than 6 years ago. That is another loss for the middle class, further reducing real incomes.My electric bill are out of control thanks to the policies of this administration.
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That's some funny stuff. Starting in 1983 and through 1988, under Reagan, 40,276 miners lost their jobs.
Under Clinton, 28,574 miners lost their jobs.

http://www.nma.org/pdf/c_trends_mining.pdf
 
extragreen said:
That's some funny stuff. Starting in 1983 and through 1988, under Reagan, 40,276 miners lost their jobs.
Under Clinton, 28,574 miners lost their jobs.

http://www.nma.org/pdf/c_trends_mining.pdf
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Yes I agree is sure is a big joke when I pay my electric bill each month. I give you this source (sorry it's not Snopes)
http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/2013/11/04/who-killed-all-coal-jobs
Mine Safety and Health Adm source

So Clinton did lose more jobs and Bush did bring back some of those jobs.
 
extragreen said:
He's not doing near as good in destroying the coal industry as Reagan or Bush 1.
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The difference is having someone say that want to hurt an industry vs a sitting President who wants it to grow facing world markets. Reagan did not place regulations on the coal industry that hurt it...Obama did.
 
ohio herd said:
Yes I agree is sure is a big joke when I pay my electric bill each month. I give you this source (sorry it's not Snopes)
http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/2013/11/04/who-killed-all-coal-jobs
Mine Safety and Health Adm source

So Clinton did lose more jobs and Bush did bring back some of those jobs.
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No, there were more coal jobs lost under Reagan than Clinton,or Bush 1, or Clinton. I'll take the word of the National Mining Association.

http://www.nma.org/pdf/c_trends_mining.pdf
 
Technology and the ability to strip/mountain top recovery had more to do with decreases of mining jobs throughout the 80s and 90s compared to economic/regulatory losses now. Obummer has delivered exactly what he promised. Libs should be celebrating this accomplishment. Greed once again attempting to argue apples and oranges.
 
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If you're not going to accept the Nation Mining Association statistics, then you're not going to accept anything I provide.
 
extragreen said:
If you're not going to accept the Nation Mining Association statistics, then you're not going to accept anything I provide.
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How about healthcare and 401k matching? Do you provide that to your employees? Or is hypocrisy the only thing you provide them with?
 
Damn percentage wise it sure does look like Clinton and Obama hate coal 39.5% and 7.3%. And based on total numbers Clinton and Obama have lost more jobs than Bush I,II and Reagan. 17353 to 17261
 
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