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The Battle of the Band/s?

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I guess that CUSA will pay for our band ( all 80 to 100 members) to the New Orleans bowl where they will be up against the “Pride of Acadiana” Rajun Cajun marching band of over 260! Shame we used to have a band of similar size. We need to get our “Marching Thunder” back. JMO
 
Band is increasingly unpopular with kids.

My hometown high school is an Indiana Class 5A football program, so a big school. When I was a teen they had 100 kids in band. Now they don't even have two dozen. All the schools around here are the same way.

I bet the Rajin' Cajuns recruit for band. That's a prestigious band program.
 
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I really do not see why Marshall University cannot have the large band they had pre-Covid. You watch the other CUSA and Sunbelt games on TV/Stadium and when they show the bands they all appear larger than Marshall’s. I myself enjoy the band. Talking to some of the members they say the numbers have dwindled partly due to Covid and partly due to the directors. Whatever the reason/s Marshall needs to redouble their effort to make our “Marching Thunder” just that.
 
Okay, I will be the bad guy here...

Our band has never been very good (at least not in my 22 years of following MU). They are consistently the butt of jokes (They don't march, they only play facing the empty chair backs, they play knockoff songs about mountains that WVU's band doesn't want, etc) The in-game coordination with the band has also always been terrible.

Are we really "losing" anything by not investing in the band?

You want a halftime show, give me Red Panda, dogs catching frisbees, pop-warner kids balling on the big field, etc. Pump in some awful DaBaby or Megan Thee Stallion, or whatever garbage 18-22 year olds want to hear and skip the "Amazing Beatles medley from 1964" as played by a marching band.
 
I actually enjoy the games more when a band plays a lot and gets into the game. You see that a lot at many of the better college atmospheres. But we like to play shitty music, have endless announcements and an overall Chinese fire drill for our game days. Rock on DJ Herd That! lol!
 
Okay, I will be the bad guy here...

Our band has never been very good (at least not in my 22 years of following MU). They are consistently the butt of jokes (They don't march, they only play facing the empty chair backs, they play knockoff songs about mountains that WVU's band doesn't want, etc) The in-game coordination with the band has also always been terrible.

Are we really "losing" anything by not investing in the band?

You want a halftime show, give me Red Panda, dogs catching frisbees, pop-warner kids balling on the big field, etc. Pump in some awful DaBaby or Megan Thee Stallion, or whatever garbage 18-22 year olds want to hear and skip the "Amazing Beatles medley from 1964" as played by a marching band.
You’re right, you are being the bad guy but imo we definitely need a band and it has to be good. Surely we can afford a ban.
 
Someone above mentioned finances and Directors. I went to Western Carolina, some of you will probably recognize the stadium in the attached video. Western and Marshall both have about the same enrollment, obviously Huntington is a much larger area than Sylva/Cullowhee, NC. Marshall and Western used to be on equal footing athletically in the 80's when I went to Western, but that ship has long sailed, due to many bad decisions by Western Athletic Department, and geographical isolation . But somehow along the way, Western decided to invest in their music program... The result is arguably one of the best Marching Bands in the country, with many band members marching in the top Drum and Bugle Corps during the summer. Here is a video of this year’s show. The band is usually around 500 members, this year’s band is closer to 400. So, it can be done, but takes lots of $$$ and the rights Directors.
 
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thats awesome but that band beats out most of D1 schools Dont think the aspirations of incoming Marshall kids are about putting in those hours for that.
 
A good band director can get just about any kid to blow a horn loudly.... when you hire directors who want to put on some kinda of Broadway show and walkoff 10,000 steps, your gonna get a crap band.

it’s a college sporting event, March like a marching band and blow the horn with all you got... LOUD LOUD LOUD!!

time to fire the band director... and I know a guy that would probably do it for free.!
 
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Someone above mentioned finances and Directors. I went to Western Carolina, some of you will probably recognize the stadium in the attached video. Western and Marshall both have about the same enrollment, obviously Huntington is a much larger area than Sylva/Cullowhee, NC. Marshall and Western used to be on equal footing athletically in the 80's when I went to Western, but that ship has long sailed, due to many bad decisions by Western Athletic Department, and geographical isolation . But somehow along the way, Western decided to invest in their music program... The result is arguably one of the best Marching Bands in the country, with many band members marching in the top Drum and Bugle Corps during the summer. Here is a video of this year’s show. The band is usually around 500 members, this year’s band is closer to 400. So, it can be done.
I'm heading over to the WCU-UNC Asheville hoops game at 2 p.m. today... I go to most of WCUs home basketball games since it's only a half hour drive for me and tickets are $10.

Their hoops atmosphere is as good or better than ours. The local folks really support the program despite not having a big population base, they have a fired up young coach in Justin Gray (Chris Paul's former roommate at Wake Forest) and it's about the only thing going on in town when they play.
 
Someone above mentioned finances and Directors. I went to Western Carolina, some of you will probably recognize the stadium in the attached video. Western and Marshall both have about the same enrollment, obviously Huntington is a much larger area than Sylva/Cullowhee, NC. Marshall and Western used to be on equal footing athletically in the 80's when I went to Western, but that ship has long sailed, due to many bad decisions by Western Athletic Department, and geographical isolation . But somehow along the way, Western decided to invest in their music program... The result is arguably one of the best Marching Bands in the country, with many band members marching in the top Drum and Bugle Corps during the summer. Here is a video of this year’s show. The band is usually around 500 members, this year’s band is closer to 400. So, it can be done, but takes lots of $$$ and the rights Directors.
 
I'm heading over to the WCU-UNC Asheville hoops game at 2 p.m. today... I go to most of WCUs home basketball games since it's only a half hour drive for me and tickets are $10.

Their hoops atmosphere is as good or better than ours. The local folks really support the program despite not having a big population base, they have a fired up young coach in Justin Gray (Chris Paul's former roommate at Wake Forest) and it's about the only thing going on in town when they play.
That’s why they support them. When there is not much to do within a reasonable drive, you go with it. Huntington isn’t NYC but a lot of activities go on that take away attention from the Herd.
Marshall has a very tough job ahead. And I’ll be honest, I don’t see it getting better unless we get a PT Barnum type AD to really make a push for new fans and donors; OR Huff has an incredible year 2 and year 3 and interest peaks again.
 
I'm heading over to the WCU-UNC Asheville hoops game at 2 p.m. today... I go to most of WCUs home basketball games since it's only a half hour drive for me and tickets are $10.

Their hoops atmosphere is as good or better than ours. The local folks really support the program despite not having a big population base, they have a fired up young coach in Justin Gray (Chris Paul's former roommate at Wake Forest) and it's about the only thing going on in town when they play.
My Dad who is a long retired Western professor, still goes to all of the games, Football, Basketball and Baseball. For and 89 year old. There's not much else to do in Sylva, except Western games and micro brewery's. LOL.

Hopefully your attendance leads to a Cats win!!
 
When I was in the band we had 300+ members, and all I read on this board was people whining and complaining about the director, song selection and things that weren't even under our control (like competing with the PA announcer during dead ball times). 15 years later, nothing has changed....except the size of the band.
 
Honestly like 95% of the people that go to games go take a pi$$ or get some food while the band plays. I’d prefer fans in the stands, but that’s not going to happen either.
 
When I was in the band we had 300+ members, and all I read on this board was people whining and complaining about the director, song selection and things that weren't even under our control (like competing with the PA announcer during dead ball times). 15 years later, nothing has changed....except the size of the band.
Become a better quality band (playing louder and actually MARCH onto the field and MARCH off the field while playing a song, play song that would pump up a crowd) and you will get the numbers up.

it starts with a good band director that understands MARCHING bands not competition bands, there is a difference...

I’ll take 50-100 members that want to show a crowd how a band should sound, then 300+ members that sound like they just started playing.
 
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Become a better quality band (playing louder and actually MARCH onto the field and MARCH off the field while playing a song, play song that would pump up a crowd) and you will get the numbers up.

it starts with a good band director that understands MARCHING bands not competition bands, there is a difference...

I’ll take 50-100 members that want to show a crowd how a band should sound, then 300+ members that sound like they just started playing.
We need the Howard band and the Ooh La La girls to come back. That keeps the crowd in their seats.
 
Okay, I will be the bad guy here...

Our band has never been very good (at least not in my 22 years of following MU). They are consistently the butt of jokes (They don't march, they only play facing the empty chair backs, they play knockoff songs about mountains that WVU's band doesn't want, etc) The in-game coordination with the band has also always been terrible.

Are we really "losing" anything by not investing in the band?

You want a halftime show, give me Red Panda, dogs catching frisbees, pop-warner kids balling on the big field, etc. Pump in some awful DaBaby or Megan Thee Stallion, or whatever garbage 18-22 year olds want to hear and skip the "Amazing Beatles medley from 1964" as played by a marching band.
I agree...I graduated in 1981 and the band had no "punch" back then and has never improved. I guess if we gave band financial aid of some kind it might improve. But I cringed every time I hear the OSU band or the OU band for that matter compared to ours. When the Bobs crank out Cat scratch fever it sounds pretty damn good.
 
Someone above mentioned finances and Directors. I went to Western Carolina, some of you will probably recognize the stadium in the attached video. Western and Marshall both have about the same enrollment, obviously Huntington is a much larger area than Sylva/Cullowhee, NC. Marshall and Western used to be on equal footing athletically in the 80's when I went to Western, but that ship has long sailed, due to many bad decisions by Western Athletic Department, and geographical isolation . But somehow along the way, Western decided to invest in their music program... The result is arguably one of the best Marching Bands in the country, with many band members marching in the top Drum and Bugle Corps during the summer. Here is a video of this year’s show. The band is usually around 500 members, this year’s band is closer to 400. So, it can be done, but takes lots of $$$ and the rights Directors.

Problem is (and you'll see it) nobody's watching, at least not many, because Western Carolina is terrible in football. Their best record was 7-4, over the last decade.

So yes, it does require money, money into an entertaining band but a craptastic football team.


Sorry folks. Unless the cheapskate MU fans are willing to pony up the dough, and lord knows how easy it is to find excuses when MU fans are asked to give more, MU can't have both.
 
Problem is (and you'll see it) nobody's watching, at least not many, because Western Carolina is terrible in football. Their best record was 7-4, over the last decade.

So yes, it does require money, money into an entertaining band but a craptastic football team.


Sorry folks. Unless the cheapskate MU fans are willing to pony up the dough, and lord knows how easy it is to find excuses when MU fans are asked to give more, MU can't have both.
It's always the fans fault. A standard line on this board. I'd take the band playing all game - hell of a lot better than the other shit we hear.
 
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It's always the fans fault. A standard line on this board. I'd take the band playing all game - hell of a lot better than the other shit we hear.
The fans like to convince themselves that MU needs to do better (they do, I agree 100%) that Old Main needs new fresh blood and energy as does the AD...that a shake-up is necessary.

We hire a young HC, everyone complains he has a learning curve at being a HC.
MU puts the color black on uniforms, the fans complain "Our colors are NOT black!!!"
MU wants to sell alcohol and fans complain about it...forgetting MU needs money and selling booze helps.
Said HC (who just came from the best college program in America) closes off 20th St and hires a DJ to imorove the atmosphere. The fans complain at the DJ and nobody shows up to the 20th St. area (or anywhere) even though it's just been a year.

Simply put, the fans will find excuses for not coming...the sun is too bright, the winter is too cold, the lawn needs raked, the car needs washed.
MU actually did change up some of its approaches and not even a year has passed and some are wanting to be done away with.

I love your take how you'd take the band playing all game, where I presume you mean no longer having to hear the advertising. Okay, just be ready to pay the hefty cost of a ticket to offset the revenue those advertising dollars pay to make sure you can afford to even attend.
 
The fans like to convince themselves that MU needs to do better (they do, I agree 100%) that Old Main needs new fresh blood and energy as does the AD...that a shake-up is necessary.

We hire a young HC, everyone complains he has a learning curve at being a HC.
MU puts the color black on uniforms, the fans complain "Our colors are NOT black!!!"
MU wants to sell alcohol and fans complain about it...forgetting MU needs money and selling booze helps.
Said HC (who just came from the best college program in America) closes off 20th St and hires a DJ to imorove the atmosphere. The fans complain at the DJ and nobody shows up to the 20th St. area (or anywhere) even though it's just been a year.

Simply put, the fans will find excuses for not coming...the sun is too bright, the winter is too cold, the lawn needs raked, the car needs washed.
MU actually did change up some of its approaches and not even a year has passed and some are wanting to be done away with.

I love your take how you'd take the band playing all game, where I presume you mean no longer having to hear the advertising. Okay, just be ready to pay the hefty cost of a ticket to offset the revenue those advertising dollars pay to make sure you can afford to even attend.
Lets not go drama queen here. I have anointed you Herdnations first official super fan. Perkins was a close second. LOL! JK. I think we all agree we have issues and change in needed on many fronts. What school named OSU or Bama doesn't? You do realize you can promote sponsors without a PA announcement or trotting Jimmy John out on the field during a time out. I don't see Pro or most college teams doing that. You put the name on the scoreboard before the game, during half time, after the game, during time outs. I would say that would be just as effective than a PA announcement that most tune out. You seem to think Marshall is always right and everyone else is wrong. I'd love for that to be true; but it's not, not by a mile.
 
Simply put, the fans will find excuses for not coming...the sun is too bright, the winter is too cold, the lawn needs raked, the car needs washed.
No.

The fans show up when two things are true.

1 - The public perception is that the team we are playing is capable of making a game of it.
2 - The public perception is that WE are capable of making a game of it. AKA, we have a shot at winning.

This team was grabbed by the throat and totally manhandled by, first, a totally mediocre ECU, which ended up 7-5, beating no teams with winning records; then by a respectable Appy State, which went a respectable 10-3, actually beating two teams with winning records; and then by Middle Tennessee, which is almost certainly the worst 6-6 team in America, having beaten no one with a winning record (except us) and getting to 6-6 with games over Bottom 10ers UConn, Southern Miss, and FIU. Then we followed that up by being taken to overtime, at home, for Homecoming, by a then 1-4 ODU, which did turn things around to go 6-6.

THAT is what the ticket office had to sell. The fans of Huntington KNOW football. KNOW it well. They knew that the rest of the season, at home, was a laugher over FIU, and two poundings. They knew that after the ECU pound down, certainly after Appy State.

It has nothing to do with ads, announcers, DJs, the band, beer, the toilets, or anything else. Just one thing. Put a team on that field that has a shot at WINNING, over a team that is worth a darn.

We didn’t do that this year. That simple.
 
Problem is (and you'll see it) nobody's watching, at least not many, because Western Carolina is terrible in football. Their best record was 7-4, over the last decade.

So yes, it does require money, money into an entertaining band but a craptastic football team.


Sorry folks. Unless the cheapskate MU fans are willing to pony up the dough, and lord knows how easy it is to find excuses when MU fans are asked to give more, MU can't have both.

I agree Western Football has been worse than terrible. Whitmire Stadium holds around 13,000 and Western despite terrible football usually leads the SoCon in home game attendance each year at over 10,000 per game and ranks annually in the Top-25 in FCS attendance, that's because of the Marching Band. People stay through the bands halftime performance and then leave. BTW this performance was done post game as it was homecoming, and everyone who stayed moved to the home side, thus the empty seats in the foreground.
 
Getting a band to play loud and meaningful marching/fight songs is simple

Step 1: tell the band director he sucks and needs to find a new job that doesn’t involve a marching college band.

Step 2: hire someone who knows how to put together a marching band that plays loud meaningful marching/fight songs, someone that actually cares about how his/her band looks marching into a stadium, marching onto a field, marching to their section to be seated. Someone who will make them play while marching everywhere you go. Someone to get actual snare drums that don’t sound like a plastic buckets. Throw away the sideline percussion show band garbage. And most of all someone that will make them play LOUD.

I know a guy that would do this for a hobby.. buy him a Stewart’s hotdog and a rootbeer and his in..
 
Become a better quality band (playing louder and actually MARCH onto the field and MARCH off the field while playing a song, play song that would pump up a crowd) and you will get the numbers up.

it starts with a good band director that understands MARCHING bands not competition bands, there is a difference...

I’ll take 50-100 members that want to show a crowd how a band should sound, then 300+ members that sound like they just started playing.
You just described Steve Barnett, who was my band director. Our band did all of those things that you just mentioned under his direction, yet all we ever heard about was people complaining about the song selection.
 
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You just described Steve Barnett, who was my band director. Our band did all of those things that you just mentioned under his direction, yet all we ever heard about was people complaining about the song selection.
I’ll give you this much.. Barnett is by far better then who we have now... song choices are simple as long as you keep them simple, playing hip songs and cute tunes sometimes turns out awful..

Realistically Marshall hasn’t had a band since the late 70’s
 
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