The Chinks are threatening not to sell us medicine for this virus they caused.
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Hmmm, maybe something else...Tariffs?
Chinese-owned Nexperia confirms acquisition of UK's largest chip plant
Nexperia, a Dutch chip firm owned by China's Wingtech, confirmed on Monday that it plans to acquire the U.K.'s largest chip producer, Newport Wafer Fab.
People better wake up. Biggest threat since the Soviet Union. Maybe worse.
The virus likely came from a lab.
The virus likely came from a lab.
You are obviously still new here...Hmmm, maybe something else...
Chinese-owned Nexperia confirms acquisition of UK's largest chip plant
Nexperia, a Dutch chip firm owned by China's Wingtech, confirmed on Monday that it plans to acquire the U.K.'s largest chip producer, Newport Wafer Fab.www.cnbc.com
I think it was more have the cheap products we have been importing from China were worth it. We have primarily been importing cheap labor from other places. Neither have been good for the long term financial health of the US.
Some are actually questioning that...
Letter signed by more than 1,500 accuses Pope Francis of the 'canonical delict of heresy'
A group of Catholic scholars and priests has written an open letter to the College of Bishops accusing Pope Francis of heresy.
www.ncronline.org
Today, a year+ later after this thread was opened, the title is about as moot as it gets. We don't need no stinking China vaccine due to US resources and ability to develop and produce our own.
And be hooked up to medical equipment and placed on medications manufactured in China? 😋
What?
Both Trump and Sanders staked a major part of their platforms on the perils of globalism and the hollowing out of the American blue collar middle class. How you can dispute that is incomprehensible. There's a reason Bernie beat Hillary in the Michigan primary.
The main difference in Trump and Bernie is Bernie does not want a new cold war with China. Why? Because it is a waste of money, money that could be invested into domestic benefit. Looking at history, I agree; while the cold war bankrupted the USSR, it also lead to a decline in American infrastructure. That cold war shit is expensive.
Dispute? I simply pointed out the irony of a similar discussion in the past. I thought you might be able to catch the irony...
When we spend monies on the military it doesn't go into a black hole like so many seem to suggest. It it used to pay soldiers, sailors, engineers, manufacturing workers, even stockholders, etc. Now I am not saying it is an efficient process, just saying it is not a total "waste" of money. These same beneficiaries of this military spending also pay taxes on their earnings and keep those dollars in circulation. The taxes they pay can also be used to maintain and improve infrastructure.
Speaking of infrastructure, do you know why the infrastructure in the US is not maintained properly?
So are Bernie's form of socialism and giveaways...
The entire point of this board is to dispute each other. Maybe call each other names. Get with the program.
I am aware of this. However, China's threat is much different than was the Soviets, which was 100% military and foreign policy. China's is also, if not more so, economic.
I am starting to become of the mind that we should let them play empire. Let them deal with the tribal Africans and ragheads. They will turn on them soon enough. Let John Chinaman get bogged down.
Bernie's platform was much more than that. The amount of target appeal between his platform and Trump's was interesting. Anti-globalist, anti-corporations fvcking workers with off-shoring, infrastructure, etc. Trump's greatest failing, besides acting like an absolute idiot and riling up the ever-present nutjobs (part of any society), was to fail on infrastructure. Four fvcking years for him and Congress to hammer that home.
Well we are not going to shoot our way out of this one.
You like to point out problems but do little talk about solutions.
Too vague. Roads/bridges/rails only? Or the power grid? That's a huge looming issue. Don't get me started on the lack of broadband to rural America. People out there need jobs too. People tend to forget about those 5k-10k cities.
I haven't really looked it up but isnt the facility that's being closed in Morganhole the only place in America that produces genetic drugs?
I am not sure if it was the only one, but yes this is another huge issue.
National security is not just having the ability to blow up shit.
Would you be on board with forcing corporations that want to sell shit here to make shit here?
Would you be on board with increasing taxes to fund government/private partnerships to bring back critical manufacturing?
I am very willing to listen. I gave got my hand slapped in meetings for calling companies sell outs. Until these bastards in board rooms stop we are going further in deep shit with China. But the political figures are going to do nothing. Half their pockets are lined
So I should have said I can't believe you are too stupid to grasp the irony of my post?
So they stole (which they do everything else) a page out of Reagan's playbook?
Not vague - federal grants are generally only to build capacity and not to maintain projects. No incentive to maintain as the state or local government won't be paid for that but will be paid to rebuild or replace.
I attended an economic development meeting in SW Virginia last night. They have been working hard getting 5G access in rural areas with some recent success. Some of us have been working hard to bring economic development and projects to the coal field areas.
No. The bankrupting of the USSR was still along military lines.
Still vague, as power is mostly private industry. I am wondering how we are going to have the capacity to power all these damn cars. I agree with the incentive part, but shouldn't the real incentive be to take care of your shit? Everyone, voters and pols, need to grow the fvck up and pay for what needs to be done.
It's a hard and long fight. Terrain, distances, etc. You know I go to Kansas a lot, I am amazed at the shit internet so many people have out there; even the cell signal is garbage and it's all flat land, build some damn towers (farming is getting to be high tech, GPS and tracking crops/water online). On the flip side, last trip out there I was in a town of 2k that had fiber! I'd love to know how that happened.
I don't trust you and please expand. Here are some pertinent facts as to where the military dollars go. A good chunk of this goes to protecting other countries. Again not very efficient but better than other places the federal government throws money at.
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Budget Basics: National Defense
The United States spends more on defense than any other member of the G7.
www.pgpf.org
Spending on Contracts Drives Growth in Federal Defense Dollars to States
The U.S. government spends defense dollars in every state through purchases of military equipment, wages for service members and civilians, pension payments, health care services, and grants to states. In fiscal year 2018 the federal government spent a total of $579 billion on defense in the states.
The best economy for everyone involved is when the private sector is booming. The best I have ever seen for most people.qaa 2019 and first part of 2020..
I made a lot of money mid 2000s even through the crash of 2008 to 2010 or so from military sales. But thar was so limited and frankly temporary. It is much better when thr private sector is rolling and not govt spending. It helps many more people. I sell little to the military now because the wars have drawn down.
I made a lot of money mid 2000s even through the crash of 2008 to 2010 or so from military sales. But thar was so limited and frankly temporary. It is much better when thr private sector is rolling and not govt spending. It helps many more people. I sell little to the military now because the wars have drawn down.
No shit. That is why i said when the private sector is booming it is better for everyone . Moron.
....and the worst the economy has been in your "adulthood" was in 2020....under your stupid lying orange Jesus.
You pointed out pay roll for the military and the paid taxes and household expenditures. That's the obvious. No different than any other gov job. That's not a black hole.
The black hole? Look at all the left over equipment we leave behind when we withdrawal from Afg and Iraq. Calculate the 40 combined years we trained and equipped the ANA and ANP (fvck them completely), the Iraqi army, their CTS, only to see them turn in the arms we supplied them to the taliban/IN as soon as we leave.
It's reminiscent of the photos we've all seen of the Vietnam withdrawal. Those Helos being tossed overboard into the south China sea. It's like that, times 3 trillion.
I can "expand" much further. Like 100s of dirt bikes we bought the ISF, but didn't trust them enough to hand them over, so they stayed chained together on top of a row of conex's until they were eventually destroyed. This was at RPC, the man built hillside Saddam erected his Baghdad palace complex on. Army SF, CAG, and Navy SOF HQ'd and housed multiple ODAs/teams at RPC. It was also the base for Iraqi SF training. I lived there for a combined few years, it's not like I'm pulling this info from Twitter or some asshole SEAL book.
I would call those things "black holes." When I say "trust me", that's exactly what you should do. I have the receipts.
And like I said, how much or little you made is not an indication of the economy. MORON.
You've changed the narrative from a "black hole" to "black holes". I agree with your statement of "black holes" as I alluded to a good chunk of our military budget goes to protecting foreign countries, in many instances allies one day and enemies the next. As you were there you can attest to that very fact.
Aren't the examples of waste and abandonment you provided more indicative of poor political positions and decisions rather than an indictment of military spending in general?
I don't trust anyone until they give me good reason. You've given good reasons.
You have no idea how frustrating this is. It's a large part of us never having a foothold.
You can take this point to a strategic level, but I'll give a man on ground example... We talk to an everyman villager in Afg, he hates the taliban so he tells us where they are holing up for the night. We give him 5 bucks and he's happy.
Later that day the Taliban he just sold out asks about Americans. The villager sells the US out for another $5.
The villager doesn't care, his life will never change. He, like most in that shit hole, is so poor he can't think past his next meal. He's not choosing sides, he's just trying to feed his family. But his actions are the very reason the US, with our insanely superior military, is chasing our tails against an army that wears dresses and rides malnurished ponies.
You can't win over the minds of people who are that poor. There is no national pride, only villages controlled by warlords. Their loyalty is to the 5 mile radius around their home, they literally can't think past that.
A national army can't be built from that, nor can an alliance.
I have a better idea than you think about how frustrating, and dangerous, that it is but even then I am sure it pales in what it is like to actually experience it. Hunger is a powerful weapon and as you pointed out you can't really blame the poor villager. In many of these instances the ruling class lives in opulence while their nation starves. I know Afghanistan is different in that regard.
A frustration of mine is the political posturing by politicians and the brass and how our policies can change overnight, with or without an election. Say what you might about Donald Trump but I do appreciate the fact that military deaths had decreased under his presidency.
A year without combat deaths: This Memorial Day, military fatalities overseas were the fewest since 9/11
18 service members have died in non-combat incidents overseas since last Memorial Day—the lowest number in more than two decades.
www.militarytimes.com
George Washington words about avoiding foreign entanglements are as true today as they were then, yet we still can't figure that out as a nation.
One of my biggest frustrations with politics are those who "loathe" the military but don't seem to hesitate to send it into Harm's Way. One of the darkest days I can remember was seeing our fallen serviceman being dragged through the streets of Mogadishu as the politicians denied requests for armor while later using those same requested vehicles against our own citizens.
Thanks for your input and response as well as your service. Much appreciated.
