The current state of the market.

[bris1112]

Level setting for transfer targets:

"Make no mistake that a good quarterback in the portal costs, you know, a million to $1.5 million to $2 million right now, just so we're all on the same page," Rhule said Wednesday while discussing the state of the program with reporters. "Let's make sure we all understand what's happening. There are some teams that have $6 [million] or $7 million players playing for them."

I'm assuming MU has employed the proper capologist/accounting firm/actuaries to ensure we get the most with our budget.

 

[RhinoD]

Rhule isn't wrong... He seems like kind of a d-bag, but he's not wrong.

There are really two transfer portals -- The portal for top level kids with P5 playing time experience, looking to make more money and get more exposure... Then there's the portal we are active in -- The portal for kids who have been disillusioned by their first school of choice and are looking to just get on the field.

 

[Marshall2004]

I get caught up in the portal watching and dream of a quick fix QB. But ultimately I think that the portal is bad for positions with a single guy on the field at one time (typically). Especially QB. High risk. Very high likelihood of alienating the current guys on the roster. I would prefer to have a really good QB coach to develop the guys whom I still have to believe are talented enough on the current roster.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

There is a Tyson Bagent type kid out there, at some level who would like the chance to start for a D1 team. He won't require that much money - some bucks and a truck may do the trick - which we can easily do. It's up to this staff to find him. Their jobs are on the line. This IS priority number 1!

 

[bris1112]

There is a Tyson Bagent type kid out there, at some level who would like the chance to start for a D1 team. He won't require that much money - some bucks and a truck may do the trick - which we can easily do. It's up to this staff to find him. Their jobs are on the line. This IS priority number 1!

I'm in no way advocating we go to the portal for a QB1.
If the fancher that was fast and running and NOT throwing bubble screens is the guy we get next year I'm all for that.

I'm pointing out there are market metrics out there and it's neat to see them.
What does a quality RT cost? I think we need to be looking OL market more than QB market.
What about a burner @ the X? Need one of those.

 

[RhinoD]

What does a quality RT cost? I think we need to be looking OL market more than QB market.

Finding 5 offensive linemen for next year is priority one... Our line this year was average at best, and we had a bunch of seniors out there.

If we should have learned anything over the past decade of football (high school, college, pro) its that you better have 7-8 offensive linemen that can play. Someone is always going to be dinged up on the line.

 

[Jartard]

Finding 5 offensive linemen for next year is priority one... Our line this year was average at best, and we had a bunch of seniors out there.

If we should have learned anything over the past decade of football (high school, college, pro) its that you better have 7-8 offensive linemen that can play. Someone is always going to be dinged up on the line.

Agreed, doesn’t matter who the QB is if our line remains this bad.

 

[Herdguy04]

There is a Tyson Bagent type kid out there, at some level who would like the chance to start for a D1 team. He won't require that much money - some bucks and a truck may do the trick - which we can easily do. It's up to this staff to find him. Their jobs are on the line. This IS priority number 1!

It's part of the reason I like Cole, he doesn't need the money.

But as I said about MU fundraising and alumni improvement, MU coaching has to be creative with how they run plays.

Yes, obviously good passing plays and run plays work, but you have to really tinker with the strengths of the players and team you have.
I remember Oregon ran that quick offense because they were undersized at some areas, and being faster and using those unique signs, made them a machine...and hardly any defenses could keep up. Playing against them was more about obfuscation than anything else.
MU could be the same way, if they wanted.

 

[BleedsGreen33]

This is what is killing the sport for me. At first I thought the NIL thing was good because it would allow players to cash in on the appearances they were already making. I did not foresee it turning into bidding wars for players and roster shopping/tampering.

You can call me a bad fan all you want, but I'm not donating one penny of my hard earned salary to some college kid that may not ever play a down and can turn right around and leave. I mean that is basically what we're all doing. Giving our money to college kids so they can have more money than we do. It's also not sustainable. This isn't like a pro sport where revenue is just being distributed to players in the form of salaries. No this is handing your money over to someone else with no promise of a return.

Then you're going to also turn around and tell me that I have to just accept the results we're being given.

 

[ru4_mu2]

This is what is killing the sport for me. At first I thought the NIL thing was good because it would allow players to cash in on the appearances they were already making. I did not foresee it turning into bidding wars for players and roster shopping/tampering.

You can call me a bad fan all you want, but I'm not donating one penny of my hard earned salary to some college kid that may not every play a down and can turn right around and leave. I mean that is basically what we're all doing. Giving our money to college kids so they can have more money than we do. It's also not sustainable. This isn't like a pro sport where revenue is just being distributed to players in the form of salaries. No this is handing your money over to someone else with promise of a return.

Then you're going to also turn around and tell me that I have to just accept the results we're being given.

Same. Contribute to the bg, but we also have a JR and FR at MU currently. They get my NIL money. Not opposed to some form of compensation, But it needs to be uniformed across the levels of college sports. I realize the kids have needs beyond scholarships, but enough is enough. 1 to 2 million is more than Brock Purdy is making this year to qb the 49er's ($875K) lol.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

How could anyone not see this getting out of hand. It was ripe for exploitation from the big schools and wealthy donors. And you can rest assured the NCAA isn't gonna police it.
Be careful what you wish for.

 

[W-S HerdFan]

How could anyone not see this getting out of hand. It was ripe for exploitation from the big schools and wealthy donors. And you can rest assured the NCAA isn't gonna police it.
Be careful what you wish for.

…….and somewhere lurking in the bowels of Huntington, 88 y.o. Marshall Reynolds is doing his best Jack Nicholson nodding smiling face & muttering “well played, my friend……well played!”

 

[RhinoD]

How could anyone not see this getting out of hand. It was ripe for exploitation from the big schools and wealthy donors. And you can rest assured the NCAA isn't gonna police it.
Be careful what you wish for.

I said a few years ago when this whole NIL mess was developing that there would come a day when college football would need a salary cap (not necessarily per player, but a cap on how much each school can spend on NIL) or else we'd have 5-10 NFL-lite teams and everyone else fighting for crumbs... And here we are.

The problem is, the neutered NCAA can't oversee that, the SEC/Big10 would never vote for a cap (because they have the most money and spend the most money) and the TV folks dont care as long as there are games to televise featuring the top 10-15 "brands."

So we should all look forward to the next 30 national champions coming from this pool of teams --

Georgia
Alabama
LSU
Florida
Clemson
Florida State
Michigan
Ohio State
Penn State
Notre Dame
Texas
Oklahoma
Texas AM
Oregon
USC

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

I said a few years ago when this whole NIL mess was developing that there would come a day when college football would need a salary cap (not necessarily per player, but a cap on how much each school can spend on NIL) or else we'd have 5-10 NFL-lite teams and everyone else fighting for crumbs... And here we are.

The problem is, the neutered NCAA can't oversee that, the SEC/Big10 would never vote for a cap (because they have the most money and spend the most money) and the TV folks dont care as long as there are games to televise featuring the top 10-15 "brands."

So we should all look forward to the next 30 national champions coming from this pool of teams --

Georgia
Alabama
LSU
Florida
Clemson
Florida State
Michigan
Ohio State
Penn State
Notre Dame
Texas
Oklahoma
Texas AM
Oregon
USC

I remember a few years ago that Charles Barkley said about 20 schools would rule major college sports eventually and the rest would be background noise. He's right. Sadly

 

[Marshall2004]

I said a few years ago when this whole NIL mess was developing that there would come a day when college football would need a salary cap (not necessarily per player, but a cap on how much each school can spend on NIL) or else we'd have 5-10 NFL-lite teams and everyone else fighting for crumbs... And here we are.

The problem is, the neutered NCAA can't oversee that, the SEC/Big10 would never vote for a cap (because they have the most money and spend the most money) and the TV folks dont care as long as there are games to televise featuring the top 10-15 "brands."

So we should all look forward to the next 30 national champions coming from this pool of teams --

Georgia
Alabama
LSU
Florida
Clemson
Florida State
Michigan
Ohio State
Penn State
Notre Dame
Texas
Oklahoma
Texas AM
Oregon
USC

I agree with the premise of the problem you are pointing out, but add Nebraska and Miami to your list and the last 30+ champions come from that same pool of teams. I actually fear the pool going forward is even smaller. Like 8 teams.

 

[YouHerdMe]

I said a few years ago when this whole NIL mess was developing that there would come a day when college football would need a salary cap (not necessarily per player, but a cap on how much each school can spend on NIL) or else we'd have 5-10 NFL-lite teams and everyone else fighting for crumbs... And here we are.

The problem is, the neutered NCAA can't oversee that, the SEC/Big10 would never vote for a cap (because they have the most money and spend the most money) and the TV folks dont care as long as there are games to televise featuring the top 10-15 "brands."

So we should all look forward to the next 30 national champions coming from this pool of teams --

Georgia
Alabama
LSU
Florida
Clemson
Florida State
Michigan
Ohio State
Penn State
Notre Dame
Texas
Oklahoma
Texas AM
Oregon
USC

Haven't those teams dominated the last 20 years already? Not trying to sound like a jerk. Genuine question. I just don't know if the NIL will be that big of a factor. Big money donors sure and I do believe NIL will play something of a factor in it but not THE factor. Look at A&M. They went out and bought a whole team with 10s of millions dollars from donors and what happened? Jimbo is out now. I believe Miami had similar issues last year. My wife is a South Carolina alumni and my in laws pull for Clemson. I lived in Charleston SC for a few years and have heard from donors how much money those teams bring in for NIL. What has that got them? Clemson seems to be in decline and while Beamer is a step up from Muschamp, the Gamecocks seem to be stuck. I do agree with you though. There needs to be a cap. Pay a player if your company is gonna use his name or apperance on an ad or something but thats it. I just believe it's always gonna come down to the coaching and who you can get. It takes a unique someone to harness all that talent and ego towards wins already. How much more will be required once players are payed millions? I could be completely wrong though. Who knows in todays sports world.

 

[Rock98Dog]

I said a few years ago when this whole NIL mess was developing that there would come a day when college football would need a salary cap (not necessarily per player, but a cap on how much each school can spend on NIL) or else we'd have 5-10 NFL-lite teams and everyone else fighting for crumbs... And here we are.

The problem is, the neutered NCAA can't oversee that, the SEC/Big10 would never vote for a cap (because they have the most money and spend the most money) and the TV folks dont care as long as there are games to televise featuring the top 10-15 "brands."

So we should all look forward to the next 30 national champions coming from this pool of teams --

Georgia
Alabama
LSU
Florida
Clemson
Florida State
Michigan
Ohio State
Penn State
Notre Dame
Texas
Oklahoma
Texas AM
Oregon
USC

Bad news my friend, that’s the only teams that won national championships before NIL and before realignment, and before big TV money, and before face masks on helmets.

The system has changed in the last 20 years, but those changes don’t really affect the outcome. Those schools always had the money and the brand power to get the top players. The only difference is they now have to pay them legally instead of under the table.

 

[Rock98Dog]

Alabama
Notre Dame
USC
Ohio State
Texas

I’m 58 years old. Those were the champions from 1965 to 1969, the first 5 years I was alive. Nothing changes.

 

[ohio herd]

good list, but I would add Tennessee , Penn State and Washington.

 

[BleedsGreen33]

I said a few years ago when this whole NIL mess was developing that there would come a day when college football would need a salary cap (not necessarily per player, but a cap on how much each school can spend on NIL) or else we'd have 5-10 NFL-lite teams and everyone else fighting for crumbs... And here we are.

The problem is, the neutered NCAA can't oversee that, the SEC/Big10 would never vote for a cap (because they have the most money and spend the most money) and the TV folks dont care as long as there are games to televise featuring the top 10-15 "brands."

So we should all look forward to the next 30 national champions coming from this pool of teams --

Georgia
Alabama
LSU
Florida
Clemson
Florida State
Michigan
Ohio State
Penn State
Notre Dame
Texas
Oklahoma
Texas AM
Oregon
USC

While you are 100% correct the last part didn't change. The National Championship has pretty much always went between the same teams. That's why we have the bowl system instead of an actual playoff. The top 8-10 schools are really the only ones that ever get to play for it and we call get these bowl games where we get to call ourselves the Bad Boy Mower Champions because we beat USF.

What really needs to happen is that the free transfer should only be available to a player before the completion of their sophomore season. That gives young players a mulligan if they later discover they made the wrong choice. Allowing Juniors and Seniors to leave like this just causes all sort of issues.

In reality Marshall doesn't need to have that much money to get the players we were already getting, but we're not going to be able to hold on to them. That $1M+ price tag that Rhule is referencing is only for the top schools and those are QBs we were never getting anyways.

Still like I said above I just can't justify giving my money away. Helping out with scholarships is one thing. Just handing my hard earned salary away to some random kid so he can be millionaire is nonsense. I have no problem with them going out a doing commercials or being paid for the events they've always had a part in, but this crap is nuts.

It's all going to collapse pretty soon though. 80% of the schools involved in the FBS can't do this. Coastal just ended their NIL collective.

Personally I am rooting for the entire thing to implode. It's been a long time coming.

 

[BleedsGreen33]

I remember a few years ago that Charles Barkley said about 20 schools would rule major college sports eventually and the rest would be background noise. He's right. Sadly

It's always been true. Like in my post above. Go look at the national championships that actually matter. the AP, BCS, and CFB Playoff. It's always been the same handful of schools. It's a protect system that only allows certain schools to enter. We are the only level of football that tells half it's participants that they are not allowed to play for the national championship. FBS football is a scam. Even when some "outsider" school sneaks in they go and change the rules for later seasons.

 

[BleedsGreen33]

good list, but I would add Tennessee , Penn State and Washington.

They're outliers though. The vast majority go to the same schools over and over again and everyone just plays along because they're afraid they'll lose the crumbs that fall off the big boy table. It's why the G5 won't grow a pair. It's why the mid tier P5s just do whatever the top tier tell them too.