This what what happens when the clowns run a circus…
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It’s an interesting point by Herdman. Since we know this reporter is lousy he may be suspected of working with foreign assets etc and they put out info to see if he’d leak it to the wrong folks.
what if you leak something that is false on purpose. It is like a curveball pitch. A decoy.
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It would be an interesting point if the exact strike detailed in the chat had not been carried out. Which it was, so I’m not sure what point there could possibly be.
Possible but in this case it sounds like the timeline matches the actual attack. Plus, if that were the case, they would have been better served not talking trash about Europe and of course avoiding this scandal all together. I mean, really, do you want to create a massive, worldwide scandal just to see if a reporter leaks information?
I still wonder if someone hacked this chat and added this guy. Of course that would make an even bigger scandal so I'm sure they wouldn't want that out there.
It’s getting to, and probably really past, the point where there is no reason to engage with you. You probably feel the same about me. One of us is so untethered from reality that it’s impossible for us to find common ground.
Thing is, I’m pretty sure it’s not me. Because I’m not here asking how someone could “know for a fact” that chats that we have screenshots of, that have been avowed by the people on them, are real.
You’re not approaching anything rationally anymore. You are fully, completely bought in on Trump. When something like this happens, when something this humiliating happens, there’s only two things to do. One is to say nothing and just hold the L. No point in engaging, your side is wrong. I’ve done that plenty of times. The other is to show some backbone and call out your own side. I’ve done that sometimes too.
You’re getting into bizarro world conspiracy thinking. If the chat wasn’t real they’d be disavowing them. They’re real. They really contain the real details on a real military operation that really happened. It doesn’t get more real. If you’re denying reality there is no way to engage with you.
what if you leak something that is false on purpose. It is like a curveball pitch. A decoy.
plausible
I thought they already knew that it was Waltz?
Edit: the funny question is who did they think they were adding that got left out
C'mon man. That's not what happened here.
Let's just admit that this was a F up. It doesn't mean these are bad people. H*ll, I feel better about them after seeing their messages. But that doesn't change this isn't a major, major screw-up.
He says Waltz sent him the request.
Waltz says it was one of his staffers using his account.
How do we know someone wasn't able to infiltrate the app, pose as Waltz, and send an invite? The CSI, Pentagon, and NSA have all said it's not secure enough for sensitive information and that Russia has been attempting to access sensitive accounts through phishing.
What nth dimensional chess is it for Trump to say it was either a screw up or a “bad signal” (whatever that is) when it was actually a totally intentional covert double op.
The details of the attack in. Message werent specific so we don’t know
Yes, it did. But did it happen the way the text messages read? D-day happened also, but Patton's Army was used as decoy/
We feed false shit to the press all the time about military operations.
Even Trump has said it was a mistake (or a “bad signal.”)
Why are you clinging to this? Why can’t you say that a mistake was made?
That's not entirely true. When you broaden the messaging thread, they were discussing the Houthis which immediately narrows the geography. So in context, those messages spelled out the target, the location, the dates, and the times.
I mean let's be smart here. If someone says this afternoon we are going to bomp Mountaineer fans on their campus with warplanes and rockets coming from boats in the river, at these exact times, that gives Mountaineer fans time to hide their couches and hide in their holes before the attack begins. If they have ant-aircraft capabilities, that gives them an opportunity to at least attempt a defense.
The comments on Hegseth's tweet are a goldmine of entertainment!
Just like we thought. Libs grasping. Regardless, Walz and his staffer need to face some consequences.
Using liberal logic: I would also suggest Goldberg needs investigated. Someone without security clearance sitting quietly, not reporting he was receiving "war plans" (haha) to the appropriate govt officials is also quite nefarious. He cant be trusted.
This isn't a TMZ Obama/Anniston gossip story. There are certain things you should report to appropriate officials. Regardless of your political ideology, military/national security issues should be in that category. Then again, maybe he's been on calls with Dems in the past and participated in the strategy of how these types of military actions will be spun (Afghanistan withdrawal) and knew there was no real security information but could spin it in the manner in which he did.
Apparently, this guy has a reputation of being a true snake in the grass. A real poor character individual. He reinforced that belief.
Because it is very plausible. It is done. There are different reasons it is done.
There is no strategic war plan in the messages.
except that's not what happened at all. The strike happened as detailed in the chat. You've lost your ability to think critically when it comes to trump
You and the administration are splitting hairs and quite frankly, it's embarrassing. No one in America took the term "war plans" to imply that Hegseth sent PDFs of detailed war plans. We took it as exactly what we are seeing - classified details of plans to attack the Houthis with, tactics, weapons, and timing. To act like that isn't classified and highly sensitive is a slap in the face to the citizens of this nation.
This group sent classified messages over a non-secure, 3rd party text messaging app that they were warned by the NSA, CIA, and the Pentagon was not secure and were told not to use for classified information. There has to be accountability which means resignations. Otherwise, the hypocrisy is mindboggling.
If you don't believe I am right, go to any Fox News story on this topic and read the comments. People who are relentlessly pro-Trump are ripping this administration to shreds over this.
It really is a shame that you consistently resort to personal attacks and can’t actually talk about the topic at hand.
Yes you did.
There has been zero proof of any classified info being sent. that so far has been part of the narrative.
I never said there was no mistake made. But, the left and media tried to make this out to be something like Benedict Arnold.
I also said it is plausible this was a misdirection campaign. Which is fairly common. Might not be. On the table.
You don’t consider plans to bomb another nation two hours before it happens as sharing classified information?
It wasn't classified. I have seen nothing that is classified. You don't know the timeline of the operation. Or how it went down. You are getting press releases. Talking points. The real world works differently.
You guys are in search of a major scandal that doesn't exist. It is getting to the point a Dem congressman asked if the Sec of Defense was drunk.
So, this is getting to the point they are not even serious.
It's literally the screen shots of the conversation. Open your eyes. I'm not saying it's a huge scandal, it's not as big as dems and media are making but it's not a nothing burger your are claiming. But you are either being intentionally obtuse or you are willfully ignorant
It is a **** up. But, not the scandal they are making it out to be.
If this was an enlisted soldier and they had texted details on a military attack two hours before it happened, on an app they were told not to use for that type of information, they would be court-martialed and it wouldn't even be a debate.
What do you think those enlisted men are saying right now?
Not excusing it but is that enlisted man discussing the op with people like the national security advisor and vice president? You know thats not the same thing you are just clutching pearls because trump. That doesn't mean it's not a fvck up, it is, but come on that's a straw man and you know it.
I've discussed medical issues with coaches and other athletic trainers over text message. Does that mean I violated hipaa laws?
