Time to take a look at Huff!
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That’s a damn good point. Who doesn’t hire anyone they have worked with that they know shares their vision? He was in a position to elevate good young coaches he had experience with, did none want to follow?
Why? He wasn’t even here. At time Huff was hired we had an AD who was worried about get buildings built not his resume
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I am not sure that was Mike or him trusting the City to do their part. Then Covid hit and all of a sudden JJ had plenty of money to throw around.
Everyone else struck out looking.
I don't think we ever had real intentions of building a stadium, just BS. Thankfully it's getting done now.
So the fundraising, ground breaking, the property bought, and the involvement of the mayor/city as well as the media reporting on it, drawings and sketches of the final product, etc., was all a big lie?
Yeah...you're a fool.
I'm speaking about the past, years of promises. But if you want to talk about the first go around when MH and Stevie Williams did the grandstanding, that was a ****ed up process from the get go. Bad bid process, worse site oversight. How the hell did MH/project manager not realize there may be underground water lines, utilities, how we would have to pay for re-routing a street, etc. How the bid process was 8 mil. over budget. Laughable management of the process. Better now?
I'm not sold on Spears for the simple fact that we've had two clean breaks from Dan and he extended him both times.
I think Clint sucks as a play caller, but I also recognize what he does. We have a "QB" that is extremely limited as a passer. I mean we could call better plays, but when your QB can see or throw past 10 yards and the defense knows that there's very little he can do.
Again that is the staff's fault for not recruiting QBs better.
Sadly this entire team is going to beed overhauled.
Just going off of various rumors over the last three years, I believe that he can't find anyone wanting to work for him.
Either he's unlikable behind closed doors as a couple rumors suggest or anyone worth a darn knows he won't be successful and aren't willing to leave their current job and hitch their wagon to him.
Big Jim?? Justice?? Lol he doesn’t have any money. Heck they just repo’d his helicopter!!
If your QB can’t throw, why not develop some additional plays he can execute. Instead of 10 quick wide screens how about a TE screen? Why not some middle screens to Ali? Why not more lead back or 2 TE sets? Why have 4-5 WRs when the defense is putting 8 in the box anyway?
That’s why I think Trickett sucks, he is sticking to a system that we have no chance with. He should have adapted a long time ago. You don’t go 3 games of nothing working and keep doing the same thing.
That’s why I think Trickett sucks, he is sticking to a system that we have no chance with. He should have adapted a long time ago. You don’t go 3 games of nothing working and keep doing the same thing.
Big Jim repurposed C**** 19 money to build the baseball field (which, BTW, is a legal thing to do under this crazy system). CS had nothing to do with it.
There was a ton of mismanagement in other areas. The BoG also kept wanting to change the location of the field to where it currently is.
Hamrick got it going further than anyone in the 30+ years ahead of him.
Same with other facilities you take for granted.
I'll give someone credit where it is evident they earned it. You won't.
It's the staff's fault for not playing other QB's.
I think pretty much any other program could make this offense/team work more coherently than what we are seeing.
They'd start with a QB change.
You are correct. However I do think that our QB situation is six in one hand and half a dozen in the other. Huff has neglected the QB so much that we probably don't have another viable option. @Josh Stowers has stated on here time and time again and I have talked to others that have seen practice and they say the same thing. None of those behind Cam are at this point any better than Cam.
We don't have a Blake Frohnapfel on this roster right now.
Now part of that may be that they just don't have the experience and the staff is just going with the guy that knows the plays and has seen action.
QB recruiting under Huff has been one of the worst efforts I have ever seen. Mark Snyder was better at recruiting and coaching QBs than Huff is. Sounds outlandish, but it's true.
I've given Mike tons of credit in the past for facilities and scheduling, his strong points throughout his career. How do I take them for granted, that's an odd statement. My name is on a brick in front of the IPF and will be on a brick at the baseball stadium. I don't think that reflects a person who takes facilities for granted.
So why continue to post his failures over his accomplishments?
Always the last to act is the most noted.
You're probably right, but I'll add, Cam is the best QB for the system he is in.
The offense is basically a quick -3 yd slant, handoff to Ali (who basically does everything himself at this point), or Cam runs for his life.
That is what's driving people mad, that there hasn't been efforts to change the offense itself.
It would certainly take an overhaul, but the supposed recruiting prowess of our HC, would take care of it.
People seem to think Pennington would be better, and he likely would, if the offense were different.
Then again, it's possible Huff is trying to keep Pennington from getting killed because he knows he can't run as fast and the OL can't block, and frankly, is more aware of this than we speculate.
Why defend him? He had shortcomings. I am not in the group that think he and Doc walked on water. Huff doesn't, Spears - the jury is still out. I don't agree with a lot of things posted, but I don't get snarky either.
I agree, he wasn't the greatest. Doc wasn't the greatest ever either.
Considering what we are going through in football, and the supposed mediocrity years of Doc, MU athletics was at some of it's most active and prominent.
That's something overlooked.
Yes, we had some great years. We all appreciate that. Heck, I graduated in 85, at the time, we were just getting our legs in football, basketball was rolling with Huck. We also had an outstanding mens swimming program. Marshall is like most schools who have limited resources and means - we go through years of being good in a sport or two and not so good in others. Doc gave us consistency which was sorely needed, he just got too complacent and comfy after 2014 and lost the fire. I hoped that Huff would improve the program and move us forward, that obviously hasn't happened. Basketball is what it is. They are solid most years. I am a bog soccer guy and enjoy what Grassie has done and is doing. The guy gets it. Hoping we whip UK's butt tonight.
I do wonder if this is the system we want to run or if it's what we have to run because of Cam's limitations as a passer.
The latter most likely. If I remember correctly, when Huff first came on board, he mentioned wanting to use the air raid offense. He most likely was hopeful in that style of play before he saw what he had on the team.
Colombia had a decent arm.
I just don't think Trickett knew how to put together said Air Raid Offense.
Doc Holliday had some decent years, but how quickly we forget his record improved dramatically AFTER the conference USA realignment. Had the original CUSA remained, his record would definitely have been different.
Even then, much of Holliday's success was attributed to the talent we had in comparison to our conference peers.
Even then, much of Holliday's success was attributed to the talent we had in comparison to our conference peers.
You can't say definitively how a team would do with virtually no experience seeing it.
Doc got MU bowl eligible in his 2nd year at MU. Minus Houston (who was on fire at the time) and Tulsa, the CUSA losses weren't absolute blowouts...AKA competitive.
Hell, MU finished 2nd in the east behind Southern Miss, a team they beat that year.
As for his success due to talent...
So basically, he won because he recruited better players than everyone else?
He actually did what he was supposed to do and recruit?
Wow, that's like...the problem we're having now.
No, our problem now is we have a shitty recruiter for a head coach who also happens to be a shitty coach.
Holliday was a solid recruiter, but a shitty coach.
We spent countless seasons in CUSA being the premier team in terms of talent, but Doc squandered that with his bonehead coaching decisions. CUSA was near the bottom of I-A and yet Doc could only be counted on delivering a bowl eligible season and then do well in bowl games.
The number of conference championships or even the number of years we actually made it to the conference championship in the weakest conference in I-A was proof he was never the total package.
If you're one of those who thinks we should have never fired Doc then we have nothing more to discuss. Marshall clearly swung and missed with Huff in its attempt to find a head coach, but I don't regret seeing us fire Holliday.
"Wow, if only we had that kind of assurance and consistency..."
-90% of college programs in America
Not something anyone with a brain who's a fan of a P5 program would pass up. They certainly wouldn't call it "mediocrity."
I'm neither for nor against his firing at this point. Personally, MU should not have renewed his contract and let him finish out, I think he had a year left? Considering what he did.
"Mediocrity" is starting to actually mean something now, seeing what MU is displaying on the field.
One thing about him, he definitely didn't seem to have other interests in mind, and put more effort into trying to win than the current guy.
MU did what the fans on here wanted them to do, and they're getting what they asked for.
So we now aspire to be like OU? Win 7-8 games a year, go bowling, no league titles - rinse and repeat? Sure, that's a solid program but nothing anyone thinks about or hears about. It was time for a change, and yes, we swung and missed badly. At least we swung for the fences. Next batter up, better be the man; and the pressure is on Spears and the BOG to get the right man. Note - dig deeper and look who his connections are and who he would bring on staff.
Well, if we can't be Boise or Alabama, sure. Would love to win 8+ games a season, make a bowl, and repeat.
I think people don't realize that with MU, the economics of college sports, the landscape of the game, etc, it's much more difficult to remain dominant, even in a bad conference.
But MU can remain consistent, which helps them stay relevant.
Consistency also equates to remaining competitive, even in losses and final standings.
Several G5 programs had 2-3 years of domination and have nosedived into irrelevancy.
Wholeheartedly agree on the next guy to have some form of connections to competent staffers/coaches.
Speaking of, where has Boise been?
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Good question regarding Boise. You peaked my curiosity. They are currently 4-5 and looks like they will finish 6-6, their last game is against a solid Air Force team. Tough year for them. Cincy has fallen hard as well, lost 7 in a row. It happens to us all I guess.
Looking around the NCAA football season, ohio state and Alabama really seem to be the remains of dynasty programs. Clemson is still sort of part of it, as is Florida State.
Once the good cheaters were out on a level where cheating is legal, it has become a more level playing field.
Doc Holliday seasons for many are going to be almost as coveted as championships...even at the P5 level.
The focus of evil in the sports world, ESPN, always want the "little engine that could" story line to remain in one place. Its most recent favorite was Boise State.
In reality, the story line has moved, and will continue to move (until ESPN kills the special nature of college football with its idiot playoffs) around the country. It spent a few years in Huntington, in fact, along with Toledo, Oxford, Orlando, and many other places.
Boise State has, like everyone else, fallen back to earth, despite the ESPN hype machine. Today the story is living somewhere in Virginia. Either Harrisonburg, which is what ESPN wants, or Lynchburg, which ESPN will never mention.
Fire Charles Huff.
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