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I don’t see how you can call it a “bad” season at 8-3. Underachieving? I guess that’s negative!
8-3 is a very “respectable” record. Be great if it were in another conference. In any case the Herd gets a game in December yet to be determined.
I’d say it’s a solid season if you look at record alone.
If you look at the way we theoretically got to 8-3 ... well, that’s where all the negativity comes rolling out.
If you look at the way we theoretically got to 8-3 ... well, that’s where all the negativity comes rolling out.
Awesome we can Celebrate another participation trophy!!!!!
I'd say underachieving as well because anything less than playing in the CUSA Championship Game is a disappointment.
If we do finish 8-3, I think we finish 4th overall in CUSA behind UAB, MTSU and LT. I do wonder which bowl we will get with that finish. I'm guessing we'll play in either St. Petersburg or Boca. I don't think we'll make back-to-back trips to New Mexico and I don't think finishing 4th would require us to travel to the Bahamas.
If we do finish 8-3, I think we finish 4th overall in CUSA behind UAB, MTSU and LT. I do wonder which bowl we will get with that finish. I'm guessing we'll play in either St. Petersburg or Boca. I don't think we'll make back-to-back trips to New Mexico and I don't think finishing 4th would require us to travel to the Bahamas.
Eventually we are going to have to take our turn in the Bahamas.
As for the original question, 8-3 a lot of years would be a fine result but this year it looked like CUSA east was ripe for the picking and we failed to win it. That's the disappointing aspect.
As for the original question, 8-3 a lot of years would be a fine result but this year it looked like CUSA east was ripe for the picking and we failed to win it. That's the disappointing aspect.
If we end up 8-3 the only "good" team we will have beaten is FIU. This was a very down year in CUSA east. If we lose to FIU then we went the whole year without beating anyone you could consider to be a good team. I know that playing in CUSA doesn't give you a lot of opportunities to play good teams, but you should win at least half those games.
Unless the Bahamas Bowl ends up moving to another city. If we can keep putting it off, that could happen. We know that the bowl only exists for ESPN programming needs but how long are they going to justify the cost of that game when they can move it somewhere that is cheaper? Or perhaps more importantly, how long will C-USA help the teams offset the expenses of traveling to Nassau? In a season or two C-USA could find another bowl game to affiliate with and drop this one.
It would be nice if it moved to Myrtle Beach or Charleston, SC
Forget the overall record. Finishing 3rd or 4th in the worst football conference in the country should
A. Never be considered a good season for us
B. Be supremely disappointing in a year where we returned 18 starters from an 8 win team.
A. Never be considered a good season for us
B. Be supremely disappointing in a year where we returned 18 starters from an 8 win team.
I find it amazing that the most winning team in our league didn't even have a football team 2 years ago.
Yep, they are ahead of us who was the winningest team in the decade of the 90's. Teams used us as a model.
I was watching UCF yesterday and thought back how once upon a time we were more successful than them. Look at them now. National recognition and packed stadium.
Yep, they are ahead of us who was the winningest team in the decade of the 90's. Teams used us as a model.
I was watching UCF yesterday and thought back how once upon a time we were more successful than them. Look at them now. National recognition and packed stadium.
I understand but when we were in the same league it was that way too. They just have grown their program and we haven't, FIU has nearly 50k too and they don't compare to UCF or us for that matter
Its interesting because there's a good chance MTSU is 7-5 going into the championship game.
Would fans want 10 wins a season and a close 2nd finish in the season or 5 losses and a conference title?
I couldn't imagine fans saying 7-5 and a conference championship is a good thing or even wanting to spin it positively considering how critical they can be if the team doesn't even "look" good during games.
A conference championship and debating whether or not our season was a success after losing 5 games three of which were to SEC opponents sounds pretty damn good to me right now compared to how things are around here.
Its subjective...MTSU hasn't had a chance like this before...and even at 5 losses, they'd take a conference title and ignore the former.
For MU though, MU lost 1 game while winning a CUSA title and many fans complained about how it didn't count because, "Marshall won in a terrible conference."
So, you can get one or the other and with MU fans...2 losses or 3 in a season feels like 6.
With fan interest in attending home games this bad, I say we take our medicine and go to the Bahamas this year. That way we can say we had our turn should we deserve something better in years to come.
Even if we go 8-3, we will have beaten one winning team by my count (FIU).
Even if we go 8-3, we will have beaten one winning team by my count (FIU).
My hat's off to folks who looked at a team with no returning starting QB and predicted a conference championship. You know way more about football than I do, I think.
I got chastised for being a 'bad fan' on another forum, for predicting a 7-5 mark in the . . . get this, THE PRESEASON PREDICTION THREAD. To this day, I thank the good Lord above for having that hurricane run a path through Columbia, SC, thus saving my prediction from possibly playing true. It's bad fans like me that ruin the GD fun for the good fans.
I don't get it really. Why do we continue to rip a team that started with no experienced quarterback that played perhaps the best MU game in two years this past Saturday? And why do we continue to rip a conference we've been in for a decade, and probably will be for at least another?
One thing I hope I've instilled in my family is to support each other regardless of tough times. Whether or not we like it, C-USA is a family of schools, teams, students and administrators. They advertise together, appear together, and appeal together. As fans, we become a part of that too.
We have high expectations, which is fantastic and appropriate for us. But at same time I hope we start judging by what we can be expected to accomplish ourselves instead of what others accomplish for themselves. As fans we tend to ignore the battle in favor of only focusing on the results. The battle is real, and we don't have dumb people fighting it. If we do, we have a president who will correct that in the right way at the right time.
We should be undefeated, if we were I'm betting folks would be bitching about it because the conference is weak and NSCU is having an off year, after all they just got beat by WF at home...
One thing I hope I've instilled in my family is to support each other regardless of tough times. Whether or not we like it, C-USA is a family of schools, teams, students and administrators. They advertise together, appear together, and appeal together. As fans, we become a part of that too.
We have high expectations, which is fantastic and appropriate for us. But at same time I hope we start judging by what we can be expected to accomplish ourselves instead of what others accomplish for themselves. As fans we tend to ignore the battle in favor of only focusing on the results. The battle is real, and we don't have dumb people fighting it. If we do, we have a president who will correct that in the right way at the right time.
We should be undefeated, if we were I'm betting folks would be bitching about it because the conference is weak and NSCU is having an off year, after all they just got beat by WF at home...
I've been watching Herd football for 20 years (and college football for another 15) and there is nothing about this season that has surprised me, and very little that has upset me.
Brenden Knox not getting a single carry until last Saturday, despite being possibly the most complete back we had on the roster...that's annoying. We had Keion Davis and Anthony Anderson out there playing hurt, risking permanent injury, while maybe the best HB we had was working special teams. And don't even get me started on Tyler King getting hurt on carry #21 of a game that had been over for a quarter at that point...
Nevermind, I am upset. Burn it all down.
Brenden Knox not getting a single carry until last Saturday, despite being possibly the most complete back we had on the roster...that's annoying. We had Keion Davis and Anthony Anderson out there playing hurt, risking permanent injury, while maybe the best HB we had was working special teams. And don't even get me started on Tyler King getting hurt on carry #21 of a game that had been over for a quarter at that point...
Nevermind, I am upset. Burn it all down.
True, but 18 returning starters should have accounted for something more than it has.
True, but those 18 returning starters went 7-5 during last year's regular season. I've never been one to buy into the legitimacy of having a bunch of starters back, especially when said starters were returning from a near .500 squad. Wonder how it would have all played out, had Litton returned? Like him or not, having to replace a veteran QB with a redshirt freshman is normally not the best possible solution.
Comparing CUSA to a family is silly... It's more like a rag-tag island of misfit toys on which we are stuck. There's no connection between schools other than the CUSA label, no connection between the fans, etc. There are few (almost no) rivalries leaguewide and the schools in the league have varying levels of administrative and fan support with some having very little of either. Perhaps most importantly, there is absolutely zero excitement for football in CUSA. None. And that is why people have stopped caring about how their individual program is performing (MU fans included as seen in the dwindling attendance).
I want us to beat everyone in the league by 50, and while Im rational enough to know that is not going to happen, I certainly don't root for any of our opponents ever – Unless they happen to be playing Little Miami or UCF. In 10 years I haven't watched a CUSA football game that didn't include Marshall. Because why would you, the football is generally awful and you have to search 93 websites to find a game because the TV deal also blows.
To stick with the family analogy though, there's no sense in acting like CUSA is the Walton's and everything is perfect when in reality it's headed for divorce, dad's got a drinking problem, one kids in prison, the other's knocked up and even the dog is trying to runaway... The league sucks as whole and we still can't win it. That is disappointing.
No stadium big enough (theoretically) to play the game other than the CCU stadium (seats 9200) or the MB Pelicans stadium (seats 6600). Then again, the CCU stadium might be big enough. They play a Thanksgiving made for tv hoops tourney at CCU each year now in a gym that seats 3300.
I believe Coastal's Stadium has been expanded and holds close to 15K with plans to move it closer to 20K in the near future.
Yeah the expansion is very new. I think it's tied back to them getting in the SB.
You have to have at minimum, a stadium that can seat 15,000 fans. NCAA dictates that you must sell, or have in attendance, an average of 15,000 fans within a two year span, in order to maintain P5/G5 eligibility. If they were to ever remove the word 'sell' from the by-law, then many teams would lose eligibility. As for Coastal Carolina, it appears they're doing a fabulous job with their athletic teams and facilities.
If somebody starts a Myrtle Beach Bowl, I say we own that thing like WVU used to own the Meineke Car Care Bowl. Do that shhh every year, regardless of records.
6-6, matching up against a Sun Belt team? Book it.
13-0 and in the Top 4 for the playoffs? Sorry Dr. Pepper, keep your trophy, we're headed to Conway.
The Alabama Theater has no off-season, baby!! (I don't actually know if that's true)
6-6, matching up against a Sun Belt team? Book it.
13-0 and in the Top 4 for the playoffs? Sorry Dr. Pepper, keep your trophy, we're headed to Conway.
The Alabama Theater has no off-season, baby!! (I don't actually know if that's true)
Well, if we would have played South Carolina we would have another loss right now.
A blind one legged high school coach could sleep walk through 6 or 7 wins with our schedule.
What have we really accomplished?
Reality is it is another hidden BS 2nd,3rd, or 4th place finish in our division in one of the worst conferences in American.
Mediocre.
A blind one legged high school coach could sleep walk through 6 or 7 wins with our schedule.
What have we really accomplished?
Reality is it is another hidden BS 2nd,3rd, or 4th place finish in our division in one of the worst conferences in American.
Mediocre.
Well...during Cato's senior year, Marshall was very much alive in the talk of the G5...featured on ESPN, ranked in the CFP rankings, SI did a whole feature on Cato as well...
Then wku took over and not much from them because wku is full of a bunch of pricks.
Then who dominated talks of the offeason last year, besides ucf and their pretend national title?
FAU and Lane Kiffin.
If it holds out, who is going to be a talk of the G5 in the offseason?
UAB...just a few years ago, they didn't have a program and now are the best in their division.
Your perspective may ring true for many facets of what you said, it doesn't seem to resonate with the national media and talks.
Considering the amount of stories CUSA has generated over the course of a few years, from Marshall and Cato to the coaching hires of FAU and FIU...to what seems to be the rebirth of UAB football.
Its publicity and a story that people can talk about...and like the whole MACtion debate, any publicity is good publicity, right?
FAU has failed to do its part in maintaining itself this season, but neither Marshall nor the league can hardly be blamed for that.
I do agree that CUSA football can be boring but how much of it is actually boring vs. ones perceptions of it being boring.
ODU and wku's ending was something as well as ODU's comeback win over North Texas.
If it were the SEC, it would be talked about for months...but since its CUSA, its spoken about for a week.
Thing is, the scenarios would not be different, just the label, and thats the thing people fall for.
It's not one of the worst conferences. Based on the product on the field, it is THE worst conference in America this year. Sagarin has the Sun Belt significantly ahead of C-USA this season.
Yeah, but if it were played in Charleston doesn’t The Citadel’s stadium hold over 20000?
Its just over 11,500.
It used to be 21,000 but an entire end was demolished. The BoD plans to expand a few thousand by 2019.
Interesting fact, Marshall vs. Citadel is still the highest attended game ever for them at 23,025.
Because its easier to point the finger and blame someone for not being perfect than accepting that perfection is simply unattainable.
Many programs see Alabama and Clemson and believe their team could do the same...then become discouraged when they lose a game or two.
A hard reality for everyone to face is there will only be 3 or 4 teams a season with unbeaten records but for some reason MU fans miss that memo.
They also complain about how bad the conference is yet, when the conference improves (wku, FAU, UAB, MTSU) they complain that Marshall sucks and Doc is terrible and we need change.
So which is it? Dominating a bad conference or having some competition?
My only disagreement is about family. It has been evident by other programs and conferences, that family means nothing and money means everything.
Rivalries are dead, locations in conferences are shifted, and yet all that matters is money.
