We're only four days out and was curious on what the prevailing thought was. Haven't heard much since practice was closed. What does your gut tell you?
Who do you think starts at QB this week?
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A month ago I'd have said AT. Now my money is on Green. Still think there's a chance we see both QBs against Miami.
Green should be the QB. As much stock as they put in him two years ago it is time for him to do his thing. His ceiling is way higher in my opinion.
I really hope that's not the case. I dom't care who is the starter, but I do want continuity. This year has the potential to be an All-time special season amd I would hate to see that jeopardized for indecisiveness at the QB position.
I don't believe that Thomson will ever take a snap at MU as the official starter. It would shock me if he ever plays meaningful minutes as a Marshall QB.
I hope you're wrong, and that's not because I want Thomson as the starter. That's because I don't want to jeopardize the possibility of a special season.
I think this is going to be one of those head scratchers of a personnel decision where everything points in 1 direction and then Doc does a 180 and AT starts. YOU GOTTA PRACTICE.... except when it doesn't support the decision I made before the QBs practiced. Only my guess but AT was annoited and everyone slobbers over Baylor and Tenn recruiting his as well. I understand not really being excited to start a freshman but I will be very sad for a situation like Blake Froh. Tbh Blake shouldn't have played because we had Cato but it sucked to lose him. This could be much worse if a guy is outperformed in practice and still gets to ride the pine and leaves because AT has the "it" qualities that doesn't translate to production. I hope I am wrong and we go undefeated and AT and IG both throw for 3,000 yards this season and we win a UCF style championship.
I don't feel comfortable with a guy that can't practice consistently because of soreness that won't leave his throwing shoulder.
It's November and cold and maybe even rainy. We're in a shootout and he's already thrown 15-20 times. That shoulder is going to be sore and he's going to start short arming. If he couldn't go 3 weeks in practice a year after his injury how am I to expect him to hold up for an entire season when he's actually getting hit.
I'm thinking this as well. It's not that he won't ever be healthy, I just don't think the job will be there by the time he is.
The knock on Green I've heard is that he's a gamer, not a practicer. Well, practice ends Friday.
Honestly I think Blake stays if we had redshirted Eric. They always wanted to play together and if Eric had redshirted they both would have been seniors in 2015 and I can almost guarantee we repeat that season. Sure you could argue we could have lost them both, but I think it would have been a much bigger selling point.
@Chris McLaughlin was right back when we signed Blake. I said we only took him to get Eric and Chris told me I'd miss him one day. Welp. He was right.
And that is assuming he never takes a hit or sack and lands on that shoulder.
I honestly just don't understand anything about our QB situation anymore. A QB with very average stats at a lower level and the pro measurables who is struggling to practice due to a throwing shoulder injury/soreness is evidently 1000% better for the starting job than they guy who is performing well in practice and the spring game. At this point the only explanation is that AT must provide high class escorts to everyone around the football program and media daily and IG runs a dog fighting ring out of his dorm room. (/sarcasm) I give up and I can't handle the innuendo anymore.
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In a vacuum I agree. I would much rather have a guy out there that has operated a huddle and been there and done that. However there is just too much concern on his shoulder. From a talent and athleticism standpoint it's 6 in one hand and half a dozen in the other between the two.
You just KNOW that he is going to get tagged with a blind side blitz he never sees coming. It happens ever game. The QB is holding on for that one guy to hit his mark and then BOOM he gets the wood laid to him.
He isn't any better from a talent perspective. I have seen them both play. I think the staff have always wanted Green to take over at some point, but not this soon. Litton left so they brought in Thomson, sight unseen, and hoped he could push Green and hopefully win the job giving us a guy with starting experience.
The question outside of injury is just how much does experience at Wagner translate to Marshall. In all reality Wagner football is not that far removed from high school football.
I have never seen any QB race go to the guy that never saw times with the 1s during camp. Green has gotten almost all the snaps with the 1s. You need your starter to be in complete sync with his fellow starters. Our starter needs to in the same pocket as #8 out there. They need to be completing each other's sentences.
Thomson has not had enough time with the 1s to be close to in sync.
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Please do not take this as disrespect. I just don't know the basis for which you have formed such an anti-Green stance.
The fact that you would MUCH rather have a guy that hasn't played a live game in over a year, only played one healthy season, and still cannot practice on a consistent basis makes me wonder why Green is even on the team.
I mean there is not a big difference in actual talent between the two. We're not going from Pennington to Zban.
I have talked to a lot of people and none have as strong of convictions/reservations in regards to Green as you do. These are people that attend every practice and have ties to the staff.
You are the only person I know that is this apprehensive at the thought of Isaiah Green being the starter.
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Here's my uniinformed take on the QB battle at MU this year.
1. Green has been the lead candidate, and presumed starter, for the team since the day Chase Litton left.
2. Good reviews, and a change in offensive coordinator who didn't know Green, gave Alex Thompson as shot at playing at MU. Phill Simms recommendation probably weighted heavily, his size and basic skills were most likely alluring as well.
3. Because he commited to come to MU, Doc and Tim are giving him every possible chance to prove his worthiness of being "the guy" at MU; where QBs that are good get noticed.
4. Morrell is a gamer, so he's been sticking around to see what he can do at MU; probably gone after this year and will be a star somewhere else. He has skills too, very good skills, but was waylaid in developing under Legg. A good QB coach and Morrell probably plays ahead of both of Green and Thompson at MU.
5. Thompson gets playing time if he is healthy, just to continue to live up to the commitment of "fair chance" to be the guy.
Go Isiah Green, we're depending on you and your physical and mental skills to lead MU to several great years. And to Morrell, hang in there, you're day will come. For Alex Thompson, sorry (IMHO) that your health isn't going to get you back where you want to be. We've seen this scenario a few times at MU, good skils, great leadership and attitude guys, who's bodies just don't hold up.
P.S. Hope for Alex's sake, my vision is 100% incorrect.
1. Green has been the lead candidate, and presumed starter, for the team since the day Chase Litton left.
2. Good reviews, and a change in offensive coordinator who didn't know Green, gave Alex Thompson as shot at playing at MU. Phill Simms recommendation probably weighted heavily, his size and basic skills were most likely alluring as well.
3. Because he commited to come to MU, Doc and Tim are giving him every possible chance to prove his worthiness of being "the guy" at MU; where QBs that are good get noticed.
4. Morrell is a gamer, so he's been sticking around to see what he can do at MU; probably gone after this year and will be a star somewhere else. He has skills too, very good skills, but was waylaid in developing under Legg. A good QB coach and Morrell probably plays ahead of both of Green and Thompson at MU.
5. Thompson gets playing time if he is healthy, just to continue to live up to the commitment of "fair chance" to be the guy.
Go Isiah Green, we're depending on you and your physical and mental skills to lead MU to several great years. And to Morrell, hang in there, you're day will come. For Alex Thompson, sorry (IMHO) that your health isn't going to get you back where you want to be. We've seen this scenario a few times at MU, good skils, great leadership and attitude guys, who's bodies just don't hold up.
P.S. Hope for Alex's sake, my vision is 100% incorrect.
Not to be rude, but either those people clearly don't have very strong ties to the staff or anyone with knowledge of what goes on behind closed doors or they're feeding you a line of crap.
Green would still have 2-3 years as a starter if Thomson were to start this year so there would be no reason to transfer and lose a year of eligibility.
In all reality, that may be the dumbest thing ever posted on here.
Wagner is a well below average FCS team. They’d still beat the best high school football team in the country 100-0.
So then I have to wonder why Green is even being allowed to practice with the 1s more than anyone else. I mean reading between the lines of how adamant you are to not have him the starter it doesn't make any sense that he is being prepped as such. It also says that Morrell is so bad that he has no shot of actually playing here seriously.
It also tells us just how bad Thomson is injured. I'll say it again. If you are seriously in the mix to start you take equal to the majority of the snaps with the 1s. Thomson has had a fraction of what Green has had since fall camp has open and that is being generous. And that is based off your practice reports, local writers, people I've talked to that have attended practice, and my first hand viewing of practices.
It can't just be Green being a young player. People play freshman all time. We've done it with success.
We must be pretty bad off at the QB position if our hand is being forced to prep and play a guy that is of low maturity and character over our other options.
I'm talking who they play against and the venues they play in. Wagner football is not taken as serious or has the pressure on them to produce as we do here. Wagner football is not comparable to Marshall football. Sorry.
If Thomson starts and has a good year there is a chance he returns. That would take 2 years from Green starting. Plus you have to think like a 19-20 year old. He's the one getting all the reps with the 1s and then would see a guy who barely practices who just showed up a couple months ago be given the job.
it wasn't just Phil Simms that was singing Thomson's praises but also his coach at Wagner that is now a coach for the 49ers. Thomson has the NFL measurables, and from reports, the mental and physical attributes to be a very good FBS level QB and potential NFL QB.
I agree on Morrell. He has improved so much since 2016 that he could be an adequate starter for about half the teams in CUSA and the G5. We are in good shape at the QB position and the only worry is which guy will be the starter.
He will still be the starter for 2 years if that happens and that is usually the way it is in most good programs. He loses a year if he transfers to another FBS school and would then have to compete for the job there in a new system while he could wait his turn at MU and get the same numbers of years as a starter. To be honest, I would expect Thomson to declare for the draft if he has a good year as our starting QB to take advantage of the buzz around his name that was started by Simms and his former OC at Wagner that is now a coach for the 49ers.
He’s played at BYU and Boston College, both of which are far tougher and better opponents than most Conference USA and/or little Miami teams. He’s also played at Rice and UMass.
Already, that amounts to a third of a year against a better schedule than the average C-USA schedule.
Playing in front of 8000 people spread out in a stadium (FAU, FIU, etc.) isn’t much different than playing in front of 2500 people jammed onto bleachers.
He has significant experience playing in environments and against similar talent as a C-USA schedule.
For what it's worth, if you read other media outlets around CUSA they pretty much all agree that this top-secret routine is a dog and pony show and that AT will be the starter on Saturday... Dallas Morning News even went so far as to name Thomson their pick for "Newcomer of the year" and Underdog Dynasty said "With Alex Thomson at the helm, Marshall should have the second most potent passing attack in the league."
I also think that the decision has already been made and that Doc and crew are just being tight lipped for the sake of being tight lipped.
I also think that the decision has already been made and that Doc and crew are just being tight lipped for the sake of being tight lipped.
He got annihilated 70-6. Impressive stats too: 7/12 43 yards and 1 INT
Did a little better with score of only 42-10 stats: 13/25 62 yards
He may have played at a couple big schools, but I don't agree that it is going to give him all that much of an advantage at this point, especially since one was 3 years ago and the most recent being played 2 years ago.
IG's attitude is that bad? Geez, how did you stand Litton for 3 years? CL may be the most toxic player ever to put on the Herd uniform.
Probably worse. That is why I hate going on the road. It's too much like a practice atmosphere and it's been that way in the MAC and CUSA.
The biggest part is the pressure from expectations. Marshall fans demand conference titles and undefeated seasons. Lose one game and the season is a waste here. Just read the comments. While Wagner may have aspirations to win their conference they aren't expected to year and in and year out.
Marshall fans will eat their own. I've seen it happen over and over and over again.
If you go by the rumors. I always find it funny that Foster was right there with him and there is never a word said about him. Foster also fought a recruit a recruit for talking trash to him. For the record screw Baker or whatever his name was.
Litton was guilty of some stuff for sure, but I feel the narrative spun out of control just like this one is doing with Green. While mods couldn't have commented on specifics very little was done to squash the more outlandish claims. I know exactly why Litton and Foster were suspended and it not as bad as the attacks on him warrant. Again he deserves some backlash as he let his ego blow up in 2016, but the narrative should have been different.
Same here. We are getting cryptic posts that insinuate that Green is a horrible guy off the field. Whether that is what is true or not or even intended to be said, that is what is being interpreted from all caps posts and steadfast stances behind a kid that has been here a little over two months and can't throw on a consistent basis.
What I would love is if we can just forget about Litton. Just move on and leave the past in the past. He's gone. 2018 is a new season and a new era in Herd football. Gone are two of the biggest points of frustration for Marshall fans. Litton and Legg.
I’ll be worried about Green whenever the local media starts writing community service puff pieces about him, like they did with Butler and Lang before their departures.
But that is assuming next year another transfer QB doesn't come in and take the spot again. If I redshirt and practiced with the 1s during spring/fall and can't start over a transfer with limited practice time I am going to consider whether I would be the starter here ever... let alone 2 years. Like I have said before, I hope whoever starts does great and we win and everyone is happy and no one leaves the program and we all live happily ever after. I am just more cynical i guess and worry about it.
