Worse the Second Time
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I was talking to a former D1 player(and current D2 coach) and he said people in the industry are trying to figure out what Dan is really doing( because of Dan being high profile lots of people watching). Dan says he is building from the ground up but yet brings in a one and done player in Kelly. He knows he has a young team, not going to any tourney yet plays at Tennessee and at Maryland for strength of schedule.
I get building but look at his pieces. Take the football team for example. Doc's first three seasons were rough but you could see what he was building. You could see it in the players he was recruiting and the ceiling they had.
Dan's players on the other had aren't going to compete for championahips year in and year out. Maybe the next class gets better but what's out there now just ins't that good.
I get it if the offense was clunky and the players weren't gelling. That comes with chemistry and growth.
What good players do not do is shoot 38% from the field and 25% from three.
We need a Canty type talent at PG. One that has a better attitude but that talent. A Damier Pitts type would be great. There is no one like that on this roster.
As much as I used to dislike Benedict Donald, I have become privy to some information that shed light on his departure, and we can thank our current AD for the demise of the basketball program. DJ wasn't a very good floor coach, but he brought in serious talent, and created some excitement that the basketball program hadn't seen since the Slay/Vanhoose years.
Hamrick is doing a good job building facilities, but his coaching hires in basketball have been worse than god-awful. And it becomes even more painful when actual good candidates WANTED the job and were refused serious consideration.
Dantoni is an absolute joke of a basketball coach. He is barely qualified to coach HHS, and probably not qualified to coach Huntington Prep.
Hamrick is doing a good job building facilities, but his coaching hires in basketball have been worse than god-awful. And it becomes even more painful when actual good candidates WANTED the job and were refused serious consideration.
Dantoni is an absolute joke of a basketball coach. He is barely qualified to coach HHS, and probably not qualified to coach Huntington Prep.
Dan over scheduled this team and he even admits so in the paper yesterday. I think like anyone that has never coached on this level its OJT and we are seeing some of that as we speak. I say give Dan another year.
Name one.
This is not a good job. We get alumni trying to bring back bygone eras (DD, White) guys looking to make a short term splash and get a good job (Donovan, Jones, Altman) and retread losers career guys looking to try again (Jirsa, Herrion).
If the job came open next March, the same types would apply. This is not a good job and has been a good job for 30 years.
it's not matter of opinion, you stated that he'll shoot 30 times a game like he did in high school and at vmi, he never suited up for vmi. why would anyone else read your drivel if you don't even know that?
Maybe that's why they are building a new one.
Hell, I'd love to get to the point we sign 3-4 guys per class every year and that actually stay intact. We haven't had that in what seems like decades. Too much attrition and turnover in the coach and players.
The next hire should be a successful D2 guy who wants a nice pay increase and wants to make a name for himself at the D1 level. jmo.
The next hire should be a successful D2 guy who wants a nice pay increase and wants to make a name for himself at the D1 level. jmo.
Again, I have some family connections with the D'Antoni's but if we were going to roll the dice, I would have preferred Crutchfield from West Liberty. He has similar X's & O's and has done a great job recruiting talent to WL. Bonifant would be the best player on our team by a large margin.
Dan (And even Mike) are so detached from the college recruiting game, that he just hasn't been able to get the talent he needs.
As the saying goes, "It's more about the Jimmy's and the Joe's than the X's and O's".
Dan (And even Mike) are so detached from the college recruiting game, that he just hasn't been able to get the talent he needs.
As the saying goes, "It's more about the Jimmy's and the Joe's than the X's and O's".
Cline is the lead recruiter with Riggot. Both have many, many years of college recruiting experience. They find the players, the head coach just seals the deal.
How's that working out for us?
Clearly Dan has had significant input......ie: The WV kids.
Just glad someone else said it so I didnt have to.
I think we truly missed out by not pursuing Crutchfield more.
Who, at the time was an assistant at Louisville.
It is easy to pick which stocks will go up in 2013 in 2015.
I'm not saying DD was a great hire (he wasn't), but if a guy who was an assistant at a probation bound team is your alternative, it just proves my point. This is not a good job. The best we can hope for is a smart guy who will be on the next plane out of here after one or two good seasons. Unless we want to spend the money to make things right.
I like them too, as people. They seem like great kids.
However, this current roster will never compete for a CUSA Championship.
Funny, I heard from someone close to B''ball that Cline didn't do much of anything. Maybe its because is always recruiting.
I support DD and what he is trying to do right now. I know things are BAD right now, but I think there could be some light down in the tunnel somewhere.
I'm not sure why you are hating on the WV kids. I think its awesome that we have these guys on the team. You haven't even given these guys a chance yet.
Browning- He is playing out of position and has only played what, 6 games in his Marshall career.
Elmore- Hasn't played a single second yet.
Kilgore- FR walk on with potential.
Frampton- FR with potential. Not sure if hes walk on or scholly.
Burks- FR who has been playing good ball last few games. Has shown a lot of potential and so far seems to look like a good get for us.
So please tell me why you are hating on the WV kids? None of them have been here long enough to say anything about. Possibly Browning, but even though he is a JR this is still his first year in D1. Still not fair as he is playing out of position and doing the best he can.
As for young guys that are currently playing, and I think are showing enough promise that we can build off of them going into the future:
Burks- FR
Penava- FR
Dozic- FR
Those 3 will be enough to build a decent team with imo. All 3 are FR and showing lots of potential. With a season under their belts and a full off season, I think they will be pretty tough next year.
I'm not sure why you are hating on the WV kids. I think its awesome that we have these guys on the team. You haven't even given these guys a chance yet.
Browning- He is playing out of position and has only played what, 6 games in his Marshall career.
Elmore- Hasn't played a single second yet.
Kilgore- FR walk on with potential.
Frampton- FR with potential. Not sure if hes walk on or scholly.
Burks- FR who has been playing good ball last few games. Has shown a lot of potential and so far seems to look like a good get for us.
So please tell me why you are hating on the WV kids? None of them have been here long enough to say anything about. Possibly Browning, but even though he is a JR this is still his first year in D1. Still not fair as he is playing out of position and doing the best he can.
As for young guys that are currently playing, and I think are showing enough promise that we can build off of them going into the future:
Burks- FR
Penava- FR
Dozic- FR
Those 3 will be enough to build a decent team with imo. All 3 are FR and showing lots of potential. With a season under their belts and a full off season, I think they will be pretty tough next year.
"Hate" is not the right word. Any kid who is given and accepts the great honor of wearing the Green and White is deserving of nothing but love and respect. Especially a West Virginian, because wearing the Green and White is the highest honor a West Virginian can be given in sports.
Now I have to say a bad word. Actually two, and I appoligize.
Chuck Landon, (sorry, I promise no more bad words) back when he was a serious reporter with the Daily Mail used to do a column every year about all the kids who got scholarships in Division I from WV, football and basketball. In basketball, it was generally four to eight a year. The one or two kids you would know about already, maybe a kid got into a military academy, a couple of kids go to place clearly below the MU/WVU level of the day (whatever that was at the time), and maybe a random kid who got into some random place.
That was it.
More importantly, that still is. That is how much talent WV produces in a year.
We are trying to play Marshall's schedule with Concord's team.
You are right. Both Burks and Stevie played great last night other than turnovers. They both had too many of them,
not saying they are great and team D needs to get better but I like their off capability. And the general consensus is that Elmore is at least just as good. Players that can score 18-20 for us would suit up some just about anywhere other than the juggernaut BB schools.
I've always said Bob Bolen would do wonders here. He built a program from the ground up and won at now defunct Mountain State University. They were an NAIA powerhouse when the school folded for issues unrelated to him and bball. He's now assistant coach at ETSU. Huggins wanted him to be his assistant for years but couldn't pay him what he was already making. Marshall has missed the boat on him twice now. And he's a Beckley native.
You're right herdit we should NEVER give this guy a look. But let's hang o to a Marshall guy who NEVER coached a college game before.
Bob Bolen is in his third season with ETSU athletics, having joined the Buccaneers as an assistant basketball coach in June of 2013.
Prior to coming to Johnson City, Bolen spent 19 seasons as a highly successful Athletic Director and head coach at Mountain State University in Beckley, W.Va. During that time span, Bolen’s teams combined for an impressive 487-123 record and his squads consistently ranked as some of the country’s most offensively dynamic teams at the NAIA level.
Bolen arrived at Mountain State University in 1993 to rebuild an athletic program which had been terminated in 1977. Under his guidance, the Cougars rose to the top of the NAIA in basketball.
In 2004, MSU became National Champions with a 74-70 victory over California's Concordia University in the NAIA tournament. Bolen was named the 2004 NAIA National Coach of the Year, 2004 Basketball Times National Coach of the Year, and 2004 West Virginia AP College Coach of the Year. He was also named the 2010 NABC National Coach of the year.
Bolen also accumulated the best record of any college coach in the United States over the from 2003 to 2012, with a record of 308-42 (an 88 percent winning percentage). In all, Bolen's Cougars won 487 games in 18 seasons, averaging over 27 wins a year. MSU had the best record, 38-1, of any college team in the country during the 2003-04 campaign.
Bolen, who graduated from Bluefield State College (‘86) and later earned a master’s in communications from West Virginia University (’93), is married to the former Lisa Toler. They have 3 children; Katie (17), Jaysen (14), and Andrew (12).
Bob Bolen is in his third season with ETSU athletics, having joined the Buccaneers as an assistant basketball coach in June of 2013.
Prior to coming to Johnson City, Bolen spent 19 seasons as a highly successful Athletic Director and head coach at Mountain State University in Beckley, W.Va. During that time span, Bolen’s teams combined for an impressive 487-123 record and his squads consistently ranked as some of the country’s most offensively dynamic teams at the NAIA level.
Bolen arrived at Mountain State University in 1993 to rebuild an athletic program which had been terminated in 1977. Under his guidance, the Cougars rose to the top of the NAIA in basketball.
In 2004, MSU became National Champions with a 74-70 victory over California's Concordia University in the NAIA tournament. Bolen was named the 2004 NAIA National Coach of the Year, 2004 Basketball Times National Coach of the Year, and 2004 West Virginia AP College Coach of the Year. He was also named the 2010 NABC National Coach of the year.
Bolen also accumulated the best record of any college coach in the United States over the from 2003 to 2012, with a record of 308-42 (an 88 percent winning percentage). In all, Bolen's Cougars won 487 games in 18 seasons, averaging over 27 wins a year. MSU had the best record, 38-1, of any college team in the country during the 2003-04 campaign.
Bolen, who graduated from Bluefield State College (‘86) and later earned a master’s in communications from West Virginia University (’93), is married to the former Lisa Toler. They have 3 children; Katie (17), Jaysen (14), and Andrew (12).
Twitter still shows him at ETSU but it appears you're correct he was let go. However, his resume is impressive enough to look at him when Dan is fired
i said nothing of danny.
and bolen was very successful, but of course it is much easier to be successful when you basically had no rules or no oversight. no degree or act/sat, but willing to get a ged? you could play at mountain state. felonies? you could play at mountain state.
hell, mountain state was barely a university.
Actually he's at ETSU still he's in a more of an Athletic Dept role as the coordinator of external operations.
And you dismissing his success based on MSU's education status and athlete type is funny. Have you been around Marshall long?
And you dismissing his success based on MSU's education status and athlete type is funny. Have you been around Marshall long?
i've been around marshall for decades. marshall's academics aren't great, but they still blew mountain state's out of the water. ncaa guidelines vs naia guidelines are night and day as well.
again, to play for bob bolen at mountain state, you could've enrolled with no degree, a plethora of felonies, had played 4 years at the ncaa/juco level (like paul wright, i think that's his name), etc. there was absolutely no oversight at mountain state regarding student athletes and their academics, or regular students for that matter, which is why it's no longer around. bolen took full advantage of that, which is why he had so much success, he was able to bring kids to mountain state that most schools wouldn't dream of touching. he wouldn't have those same advantages at marshall.
our job isn't great, but would could do significantly better than bob bolen.
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