Ever since the Akron loss, I've been wondering if this season is similar to 2012. Cato's sophomore year, Litton's sophomore year. Defensive coordinator implodes both years. In both cases, we win the St. Petersburg Bowl with a freshman QB the prior year. However, after this game, I will be surprised if we go 5-7 like that year. This team may be worse than 2010. This may be our worst team since 2008. At least then C-USA had better teams. If MU doesn't fire Legg and/or Heater, I'm definitely decreasing my Big Green donation. People in this area don't have enough money to waste on this crap.
Worst season in the Holliday era..
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Heater doesnt need fired, he just doesnt have anything to work with. When your boss decimates half of your projected starters, its hard to overcome that. Also, our d tackles have not panned out as anticipated.
1983 decreasing your donation does not help the program. It's obvious changes need to be made but that can only happen if fans don't quit on this program. And notice I said program not team. This team is trash...This coaching staff is trash...I am sick of watching it like everyone else. But I am also a realist. Doc is going nowhere. He has one year to turn it around. Lets hope that happens...
But when I could spend my money on the City Mission or the Red Cross or something that helps society, it's hard to justify spending it on a game that is no longer fun to watch. I would bet that I give a greater proportion of my disposable income to Marshall football than most do, and I'm getting no return on investment. If MU football were a company, its stock would be nosediving.
This team might not win but one more game. They are that bad.
Your money your right to do what you want. I guess the question now is what changes need to be made cause I do not believe that changing a coordinator will do a thing for this program...starts at the top. But how long does it take for that to change? Sorry but it's not getting better...
I feel bad for Heater. He's a very good defensive coach, but you can't do much if the head coach constantly boots your players, as already mentioned. You also can't help it if your head coach constantly recruits players that never show up.
Doc keeps taking way too many chances in recruiting and it seems like that number is increasing. Nearly 40% of the players that signed LOIs in 2014 and 2015 are already gone. That means we are already missing 40% of our players that should be redshirt freshmen and straight up red shirts this year. So don't think we are just going through a young phase. Unless we go heavy JUCO, we will also be young in 2018 and 2019. Your best players are guys that have been in your system 3-4-5 years and under Doc's tenure only a little over 50% have made it to that 4th or 5th year.
Doc keeps taking way too many chances in recruiting and it seems like that number is increasing. Nearly 40% of the players that signed LOIs in 2014 and 2015 are already gone. That means we are already missing 40% of our players that should be redshirt freshmen and straight up red shirts this year. So don't think we are just going through a young phase. Unless we go heavy JUCO, we will also be young in 2018 and 2019. Your best players are guys that have been in your system 3-4-5 years and under Doc's tenure only a little over 50% have made it to that 4th or 5th year.
I already cut back on my support after being insulted by a certain prominent program person for asking a polite question. But I promised to restore my support if they just win. Doesn't look like that's going to happen. Good idea. Insult the supporters and then lose bad.
We have been "fortunate" to have any winning seasons with Doc running this program. His lack of "coaching knowledge" has finally caught up to him and now we are seeing the true man. He was way over his head when he took this job and nothing has changed.....he is not a coach. Hamrick made a deplorable decision when he hired this guy. I don't care if they win out, HE IS NOT A HEAD COACH! This will end the same way it did for Snyder.....the fans will demand it and the money will stop flowing. We are in a small market, in a low income area, an area decimated by unemployment, no state funding comparable to USPAM. People just won't and can't spend money on a "product" that's this bad. It's very sad.
Doc is in no real trouble, but this season is over. UNT is a far worse team than any remaining on the schedule except UNCC. As it gets colder, and the 70 games in HD on TV get better, very little reason to notice or care about the team. I would estimate 22K actual next week, and that only because its Homecoming. We should lose 2 to 4 K after that each week.
The team is not very good. But more than that it has stopped listening or trying. That often leads to people getting injured and to incidents at 2:30 AM.
The team is not very good. But more than that it has stopped listening or trying. That often leads to people getting injured and to incidents at 2:30 AM.
I'm so disgusted that I can't sleep, so I might as well add my two cent's worth. Sooner or later, every football program reaches a plateau. We're there! Kinda reminds one of Don Nehlen's waning years...
It's 3 a.m.here in Kenova and our boys are back. I just heard their jet hit reverse thrust at Tri-State Airport. At least they've landed safely.
This team is an enigma. Every year, I have faithfully went to the national signing day party. Walking out of the one this February, I remember thinking how much better the talent was than when Doc first got here. Obviously, we are in a serious retooling year.
One and four will be hard to overcome. Even if we do make a miraculous recovery and go to a bowl, it will now be a minor one against a lower Sun Belt or MAC team and I've already made up my mind to stay home this time
We have the nicest Indoor Practice Facility -- particularly when considering a school at at this level -- in the country. I proudly show it off to visitors from out of town; the Louisville people couldn't believe it! It's only been completed a year, but it should be of great benefit for future recruiting that must play toe-to-toe with the great schedules that Mike H has put together.
I like Doc, and I think he has able assistants and coordinators. But they all are too conservative -- you play to win! Either their system is too complex or our kids are not very smart. Probably a combination of both...maybe they'll absorb it in time. And if I ever see another Bill Legg bubble screen called, it will be too soon for me.
We were told that this year would be something special: Best O-line ever; improved talent in the linebackers; strength & conditioning gains by leaps & bounds, etc., etc. So far, we certainly haven't seen it.
No enthusiasm or chemistry whatsoever. If you were at Pitt in person, you could see from the opening kickoff that our kids were still asleep on the bus.
Dating back to Travon Van and the kid who fumbled away the WVU game at the goal line (he should never have been put in that situation), there has been, with few exceptions, constant turmoil in the backfield. Devon Johnson was the only bright spot and he only played that position two years. Pittman is a captain one game, doesn't see a play the next. Hyleck Foster -- billed as the next Tommy Shuler -- is not utilized in the slot underneath. Let's hope that Davis and Anderson will show some consistency in time.
The secondary -- another great projection -- has been deplorable. Through five games, they have minimal interceptions. Poor ole No. 3 couldn't cover my grandmother. And she passed away in 1960. Play the ball, son! You can't tell me he can step in for a departed Tyquan Lang.
Now, I'm for Doc's discipline -- you've got to have it. You can't condone criminal behavior and it is necessary to mold leaders and develop fine young men. But you can't run off two four-stars in the defensive backfield, a four-star wide receiver and numerous others and expect to remain competitive. Everything -- injuries, whatever -- is camouflagued in a veil of secrecy.
And I don't blame Doc for being thin at quarterback. The two that bolted wanted to play, and you can't fault him or them for that. I even see where Cole Garvin stepped in and had a great game. Shame on those of you who criticized young Garet Morrell, who was thrown into an impossible situation against the then No. 3 team in the country.
But Litton has turned into a head case. He looks and acts like him on the surface, but a Jim McMahon he's not. Very disappointed in his generalship: maybe he should go back to wearing #14. I know he helped bring in Clark, but he needs to look to the other receivers as well. And where's the slants across the middle? We are very easy to scout.
In the game last night, I constantly saw him being coached up on the sidelines by Mirabel. I thought he was the offensive line coach? Yes, it's time we invested in a quarterback specialist. Are you listening Chad Pennington? That might just be the shot in the arm the program needs!
It's 3 a.m.here in Kenova and our boys are back. I just heard their jet hit reverse thrust at Tri-State Airport. At least they've landed safely.
This team is an enigma. Every year, I have faithfully went to the national signing day party. Walking out of the one this February, I remember thinking how much better the talent was than when Doc first got here. Obviously, we are in a serious retooling year.
One and four will be hard to overcome. Even if we do make a miraculous recovery and go to a bowl, it will now be a minor one against a lower Sun Belt or MAC team and I've already made up my mind to stay home this time
We have the nicest Indoor Practice Facility -- particularly when considering a school at at this level -- in the country. I proudly show it off to visitors from out of town; the Louisville people couldn't believe it! It's only been completed a year, but it should be of great benefit for future recruiting that must play toe-to-toe with the great schedules that Mike H has put together.
I like Doc, and I think he has able assistants and coordinators. But they all are too conservative -- you play to win! Either their system is too complex or our kids are not very smart. Probably a combination of both...maybe they'll absorb it in time. And if I ever see another Bill Legg bubble screen called, it will be too soon for me.
We were told that this year would be something special: Best O-line ever; improved talent in the linebackers; strength & conditioning gains by leaps & bounds, etc., etc. So far, we certainly haven't seen it.
No enthusiasm or chemistry whatsoever. If you were at Pitt in person, you could see from the opening kickoff that our kids were still asleep on the bus.
Dating back to Travon Van and the kid who fumbled away the WVU game at the goal line (he should never have been put in that situation), there has been, with few exceptions, constant turmoil in the backfield. Devon Johnson was the only bright spot and he only played that position two years. Pittman is a captain one game, doesn't see a play the next. Hyleck Foster -- billed as the next Tommy Shuler -- is not utilized in the slot underneath. Let's hope that Davis and Anderson will show some consistency in time.
The secondary -- another great projection -- has been deplorable. Through five games, they have minimal interceptions. Poor ole No. 3 couldn't cover my grandmother. And she passed away in 1960. Play the ball, son! You can't tell me he can step in for a departed Tyquan Lang.
Now, I'm for Doc's discipline -- you've got to have it. You can't condone criminal behavior and it is necessary to mold leaders and develop fine young men. But you can't run off two four-stars in the defensive backfield, a four-star wide receiver and numerous others and expect to remain competitive. Everything -- injuries, whatever -- is camouflagued in a veil of secrecy.
And I don't blame Doc for being thin at quarterback. The two that bolted wanted to play, and you can't fault him or them for that. I even see where Cole Garvin stepped in and had a great game. Shame on those of you who criticized young Garet Morrell, who was thrown into an impossible situation against the then No. 3 team in the country.
But Litton has turned into a head case. He looks and acts like him on the surface, but a Jim McMahon he's not. Very disappointed in his generalship: maybe he should go back to wearing #14. I know he helped bring in Clark, but he needs to look to the other receivers as well. And where's the slants across the middle? We are very easy to scout.
In the game last night, I constantly saw him being coached up on the sidelines by Mirabel. I thought he was the offensive line coach? Yes, it's time we invested in a quarterback specialist. Are you listening Chad Pennington? That might just be the shot in the arm the program needs!
