MU's Case for AAC
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While Landon is just a hater and has no inside info on any subject, simple logic says that he might just be right in this case. ODU is in the Tidewater DMA, #42 with 717K TV homes (H-C is currently #70, 431K, but loses three or four spots every decade and over a third of that is in KY or OH) and borders the Richmond DMA (#55, 565K). Tidewater is the third largest DMA (after Austin and Hartford) to no have a team in any of the four major pro sports).
So in Arseco-spin, ODU = the Tidewater. The fact that 98.5% of people there could not care less about ODU is, of course, not relevant, just as the similar facts about all the other IN, but not SIGNIFICANT IN big market AAC schools are not relevant in Arseco-spin. In fact, in Arseco-spin, ODU = Virginia, the 16th largest state, with a growth rate near the top (WV is #38 and the only state to have lost population in this decade) just as ECU = North Carolina in Arseco-spin, the fact that 99.9% of people in Virginia could not care less about ODU being as irrelevant as the same fact vis NC and ECU.
We don't fit. We fit in CUSA right now, and, when the MAC and the Big 12 collapse in a few years, hopefully we will be able to assemble an even better fit from among the reshuffle that will happen because of that. As for right now, ASU is an upgrade in every way from ODU, both in terms of MU's selfish interest (better geography, history together, similar mission school) and in terms of CUSA over-all.
If that is not for you, then MU sports is not for you. Find something else.
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Not happening. The only way for the Herd to get attention by the AAC is to win championships, be in the conversation for the Access Bowl perennially and get to the post season in basketball on a consistent basis which is tough in a one bid league. Although Marshall can make some good arguments for membership, so can others.
Doubt that happens. ODU hasn't produced in a lesser conference with the money they currently have and I don't think moving up is going to improve that.
How many titles has anyone else won in C-USA since everyone else left?
I'm talking about the teams with a remote chance of being invited.
I wonder if its the same segment that constantly bashes MU being in C-USA, says we play nobody, and we have no money from TV and hate our current situation.
That group literally crying for MU to leave, now, is starting to say,
"Welllllll...I mean, MU really isn't fit to move up and leave C-USA..."
This is the problem with the fanbase that I'm talking about. You have 2 choices:
1. Believe MU doesn't have what it takes, should stay in CUSA, and isn't going to move up because they have nothing, or not enough to offer.
That would mean STOP BITCHING ABOUT BEING UNHAPPY WHERE MU CURRENTLY IS. Stop complaining about FB games, lack of TV money, and lesser known conference opponents.
2. Believe MU can move up, should move up, and can compete as they are richly undeserving of their current status.
That would mean you'd have to quit looking at the glass half empty. There is no way MU could compete if the fanbase isn't committed to believing it can be successful.
My god just pick one...
I must say, I do like the coverage MU gets around here. Much of it has to do with MU winning too.
I think the AAC stays put at 11 teams for this season. Its too close to really do proper research in what the AAC wants.
I feel this season is going to be an audition for next year and possible invites.
Landon cited their budget and geography as principal reasons OD makes sense. He listed their budget at 44 million.
Nobody over the age of 11 contemplated the AAC adding a team in football for this season. You realize schedules have been done, there are contractual issues, television issues, etc., right?
Well, yeah. That is the POINT of the Big Lie that is the AAC. Not one of those programs has any traction at all, even in their home towns. Some not even on their own campus. There is only so much air in any room, and all AAC members live in rooms where the True Major state programs and, in most case, major pro teams, suck up all but a tiny fraction of one percent of it.
When you think of what an AACer's role in its home market is, say what UCF sports means in Orlando or UC sports means in Cincy, or SMU means in Dallas, think of what WV State sports means here, only even less so.
Much of it does have to do with MU winning, but most of it has to do with the clear playing field we compete against for attention. The Reds and all other local-ish pro teams are too far away and this market is too small now to afford any real coverage. The TV just reads the scores , the newspapers just run the AP.
Then comes college. Again, UK and OSU are too far away. The TV just depends on recycling other station's or school produced material. Leaving WVU. With all respect, you have to be a 12 year old boy, or have the mentality of one, to actually take WVU seriously. No thinking adult really believes that WVU out recruited True Majors for five-star athletes with chances at major awards, or that it is ever actually going to win anything of significance.
Which is our biggest advantage. Our conference mates live in the giant shadow of True Majors like LSU, Alabama, Florida, Florida State, Auburn, Texas, Texas A&M and such like. We have WVU, 200 miles away and permanently mediocre.
Hate to say this, but I personally would be shocked if we even received an invite to join the AAC.
Wow, with all your drama it sounds like it is time for Marshall to move down(or mabye up) to FCS and try to win that thing again.
They didn't invite us when ot was originated. I see little reason why they would now.
I truly hope I am wrong. I would love those trips to Memphis again and the hoops games with Wichita State, Houston and the Tigers
He needs to know beefcake is keeping a watchful eye out for any unflattering, negative comments.
The biggest issue, AAC does not allow props! This is a gamechanger
With all our props and all that it brings to the table we have one conference championship in a decade and a half. It must not be that big of an advantage.
I realize I made the mistake of not seeking the proper dates for UConn leaving. That wouldn't stop people from readYing themselves regardless. Its still unknOwn jUst what the AAC is going to wAnt fRom thE next team up. DOes MU have a shot? Who Knows.
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You keep saying the same thing as if you're trying to convince yourself its true. UCF being in Orlando absolutely carries the Central Florida market and is building a national fan base. They have the largest enrollment in the nation and are pumping out more alumni's than any school. This translates to viewership, the key thing ESPN is after. Whereas, CUSA's contract went from $1mm to $200k. The reason? Programs in CUSA don't generate enough viewers.
You say that Aresco's spin is that large market programs that don't carry their market. Then why did the AAC go from 2 million to ~7-8 million in annual pay? There is a marked difference in viewership between the AAC and CUSA.
Of course UCF is in a state with multiple P5 teams, but they've carved out a space in the state by being 100% committed to Athletics by making smart hires, upgrading facilities and being extremely proactive in finding big money donors. Most of the teams in the AAC share that same philosophy. Even doormat Tulane is trying to step up their game.
If Marshall wants a shot, they need to completely revamp their view on athletics.
Well hell, ODU is so damn awesome, shocked they haven’t been invited to the SEC. Hell, they’ve dominated CUSA. That massive redone football stadium and its 22K seats should impress the hell out of Saban.
I would bet the three have already done their homework and approached the AAC.
HerdZilla22 in Charlotte
You should contact ESPN right away and tell them AAC is based on Aresco spin. Somehow that spin landed 7 million a year vs Cusa 200,000 a year. ESPN needs to know asap you are the smartest guy in the room.
Oh and Aresco has said very few programs will be reviewed for membership. No one is buying odu brings any real market to tsble and no way they are even am option for AAc . Byu and Army seem to be top dogs on the Aac wish list.
Wrong again, Samantha. As I always point out, instead of making a general statement, you try to argue exacts and specifics to make yourself appear to be an expert on a topic. However, many times, your attempts at specifics backfire since they are wrong.
Tidewater is behind Austin, Hartford, Birmingham, Greenville, Harrisburg, and West Palm Beach of DMA regions without a big four professional team.
That makes them seventh, not third, Samantha.
https://mediatracks.com/resources/nielsen-dma-rankings-2019/
I reached out to both WV senators along with Mike and Dr. Gilbert.
I have heard back form most of them either e-mail or phone call and all said pretty much what I expected. That they are going to do what they feel is best for Marshall University and its student athletes.
ESPN is one of the main purveyors of Arseco's idiocy. It knows how much it paid the AAC. And the HUGE GULF between that and the actual Power Five.
But keep believing all this spin. I get it. Marshall sports are not for you. Find something else.
Actually, Samantha, Marshall sports is not for you.
You keep putting that label on anyone who is realistic about Marshall's place in FBS. You're the one who throws a temper tantrum and refuses to accept that the AAC is superior than C-USA in every important measure: facilities, broadcast earnings, results on the field, draft picks, attendance, brand relevance, national rankings, bowl ties, enrollment, budgets, salaries, etc.
Your claim about the DMA in this thread was already shown to be bogus, and now your labeling of Marshall not being for everyone else has shown to be bogus as you are the one who refuses to accept reality about Marshall's position in FBS. The others on this board can all accept Marshall's position in college football. It is you who repeatedly hides from reality.
Yes, the league we ARE IN, the league which we FIT, and which provide QUALITY games for those whose primary reason to attend Marshall games is to see MARSHALL, not the other team.
In a few years, when the MAC and Big 12 colapse, and set off another great reshuffle, our task is to see an EVEN BETTER set of teams, probably a more geographically logical remix of the the current CUSA, Sun Belt, and MAC, with a few refugees from the AAC money pit.
We all know that the CUSA haters, in an alternative reality, would be hating on the AAC, pining for, probably, the Big 12. They are the same crew who hated on the previous version of CUSA, the MAC, the SoCon and so on. Because Marshall sports are just not for them. Wal-Mart USPAMism is there for them.
Meanwhile we stay well clear of a league that a school with dozens of advantages over us lost its a** in. A mistake that we, in our position, cannot afford.
I can see why the Big 12 might be reshuffled in the future, but how the hell do you figure that the MAC will collapse?
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