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I have always thought Doc plays for kids from high schools that he will recruit from in the future.I won't do a whole missive, but the short summary of the issue is that we had five HBs on the roster last year, and only two of them touched the ball the last 8-9 games of the season. We had TEs and WRs get more carries than our HBs, so either:
1) They are all so bad at ball security or blocking that they are effectively useless in the offense
2) We are so gun shy about letting underclassmen touch the ball that we hold them in arrested development until we are either forced to throw them into the fire with no experience in the middle of a game, or they transfer out from lack of playing time before they ever see the field
Based on the number of HBs in the recruiting class, I'd guess maybe #1 is a pretty strong candidate for Reality. However, knowing Brendan Knox's freshman year was wasted using him on special teams until Tyler King goes down, only to find out he's the best football player on the whole team, I have to wonder what the coaching staff wasn't seeing.
I have my doubts about our ability to evaluate talent sometimes, both in terms of recruiting players who can't physically play (Korn, Thomson), and in not letting players lower on the depth chart get live reps to see what they can do.
One thing I know for sure: Brendan Knox won't stay intact long enough to play pro ball if we keep giving him the rock 30+ times a game.
You're right. If Knox is used as much in 2020 as he was in 2019, he won't be around in 2021. He'll either be on IR or he'll transfer.I won't do a whole missive, but the short summary of the issue is that we had five HBs on the roster last year, and only two of them touched the ball the last 8-9 games of the season. We had TEs and WRs get more carries than our HBs, so either:
1) They are all so bad at ball security or blocking that they are effectively useless in the offense
2) We are so gun shy about letting underclassmen touch the ball that we hold them in arrested development until we are either forced to throw them into the fire with no experience in the middle of a game, or they transfer out from lack of playing time before they ever see the field
Based on the number of HBs in the recruiting class, I'd guess maybe #1 is a pretty strong candidate for Reality. However, knowing Brendan Knox's freshman year was wasted using him on special teams until Tyler King goes down, only to find out he's the best football player on the whole team, I have to wonder what the coaching staff wasn't seeing.
I have my doubts about our ability to evaluate talent sometimes, both in terms of recruiting players who can't physically play (Korn, Thomson), and in not letting players lower on the depth chart get live reps to see what they can do.
One thing I know for sure: Brendan Knox won't stay intact long enough to play pro ball if we keep giving him the rock 30+ times a game.
2) We are so gun shy about letting underclassmen touch the ball that we hold them in arrested development until we are either forced to throw them into the fire with no experience in the middle of a game, or they transfer out from lack of playing time before they ever see the field
Kind of like an NFL running back's average tenure in the league is 3- 4 years. The wear and tear on the body does take its toll. Knox may say yeah give me the rock, but sooner or later his body will tell him othetwise.I don't understand this theory; his physical abilities should be judged game by game, not set at some predetermined number. It seems he wants the ball and handles playing late in games very well. Is there some knowledge that says 25 to 30 carries a game is too much for him; or just some kind of pre-judged standard?
Is there some knowledge that says 25 to 30 carries a game is too much for him; or just some kind of pre-judged standard?
Agree.To be honest, I'm basing my belief on anecdotal evidence I've seen over the course of my life. Ricky Williams was getting 25 carries a game for the Dolphins when he said "this is too much" and decided he'd rather roam the mountains of Tibet, smoking weed with alpacas. Noel Devine was one of the most talented players I'd even seen on the collegiate level, but after two years of Bill Stewart giving him 25 carries and 10 catches a game, he was burnt toast on Draft Day and never played a down in the League (and even fell so far as to be a CFL backup).
There's also the situation surrounding Devon Johnson, whose story makes this issue a little more serious than "will he or won't he get rich playing pro ball." You can't assume the staff is going to volunteer to bench a valuable player, nor can you assume that player will always make the correct decision with regard to their own health versus a desire to be on the field.
Bradshaw avg around 20 carries a game his final two seasons here.
Winner. Load up with running backs and hope you have a good like and win with with a less than average qb. Try to hide the weakness.When the staff can't develop a QB, you put all of your marbles in running backs and O-line. There isn't a need to recruit receivers or quarterbacks if the still have given up on being able to produce a signal-caller.
So Doc has 6 running backs currently on the roster and he is brining in another 5? Why in the world does he need 11 running backs? the other problem I see on the roster is he is graduating 7 olineman so you would think he would go heavy at that position. SMH on some of thisI won't do a whole missive, but the short summary of the issue is that we had five HBs on the roster last year, and only two of them touched the ball the last 8-9 games of the season. We had TEs and WRs get more carries than our HBs, so either:
1) They are all so bad at ball security or blocking that they are effectively useless in the offense
2) We are so gun shy about letting underclassmen touch the ball that we hold them in arrested development until we are either forced to throw them into the fire with no experience in the middle of a game, or they transfer out from lack of playing time before they ever see the field
Based on the number of HBs in the recruiting class, I'd guess maybe #1 is a pretty strong candidate for Reality. However, knowing Brendan Knox's freshman year was wasted using him on special teams until Tyler King goes down, only to find out he's the best football player on the whole team, I have to wonder what the coaching staff wasn't seeing.
I have my doubts about our ability to evaluate talent sometimes, both in terms of recruiting players who can't physically play (Korn, Thomson), and in not letting players lower on the depth chart get live reps to see what they can do.
One thing I know for sure: Brendan Knox won't stay intact long enough to play pro ball if we keep giving him the rock 30+ times a game.
and wont offer the kid from Tyler County because guess what? He has to many running back commits. lolSo Doc has 6 running backs currently on the roster and he is brining in another 5? Why in the world does he need 11 running backs? the other problem I see on the roster is he is graduating 7 olineman so you would think he would go heavy at that position. SMH on some of this
Couple things:So Doc has 6 running backs currently on the roster and he is brining in another 5? Why in the world does he need 11 running backs? the other problem I see on the roster is he is graduating 7 olineman so you would think he would go heavy at that position. SMH on some of this
Who is that?and wont offer the kid from Tyler County because guess what? He has to many running back commits. lol
When the staff can't develop a QB, you put all of your marbles in running backs and O-line. There isn't a need to recruit receivers or quarterbacks if the still have given up on being able to produce a signal-caller.
Who is that?
your scholarship chart has 6 kids playing running back.Couple things:
Right now the roster has 4 scholarship running backs - not 6 like you claim. A 5th may join the team in the fall if he becomes eligible.
Only two of the RBs listed on the 2020 commit list will actually play RB at Marshall. Neither of those RBs are projected to contribute until 2021 at the earliest. Read between the lines there.
Marshall will return seven offensive lineman currently on scholarship in 2021. Add in James Magee and Ethan Driskell, two former PWOs scheduled to go on scholarship, and that number jumps to 9. Add in 3 or 4 high school recruits and a JUCO in the 2021 class and Marshall is back to that safe number of 14 offensive lineman on scholarship.
It did, yes.your scholarship chart has 6 kids playing running back.
still a lot of kids playing running backyour scholarship chart has 6 kids playing running back.
Nope. Five on scholarship is completely normal.still a lot of kids playing running back
plus the new kids coming inNope. Five on scholarship is completely normal.
Read my previous post. Those kids will not be a factor in 2020. Rahsul Faison would be the 5th RB. He was part of the 2019 class as a non qualifier.plus the new kids coming in
Right now the roster has 4 scholarship running backs - not 6 like you claim. A 5th may join the team in the fall if he becomes eligible.
I understand that but its the number of spots for running backsRead my previous post. Those kids will not be a factor in 2020. Rahsul Faison would be the 5th RB. He was part of the 2019 class as a non qualifier.
No you don’t understand. I’ve done all I can here.I understand that but its the number of spots for running backs
No , I get it, he over recruits a position because certain kids are not panning out and most of the recent group is made up of props (which are at risk in terms of academics or attitudes and passes over a good kid with good grades and would bleed on the field to play D1 football). I hope JJ is not getting the ole bait and switch because he wants to playing RB.No you don’t understand. I’ve done all I can here.
The Rucker kid sounds just like a certain QB from the Eastern Panhandle. Great kid, Great grades, and just produces on the field. This is what is meant when Doc does not take attitudes into consideration. A kid roles up with a great attitude, plays with a huge heart, has a ton of desire, and produces at the high school level and Doc would rather take a chance on athletic potential (and has some kind of off field issues).No , I get it, he over recruits a position because certain kids are not panning out and most of the recent group is made up of props (which are at risk in terms of academics or attitudes and passes over a good kid with good grades and would bleed on the field to play D1 football). I hope JJ is not getting the ole bait and switch because he wants to playing RB.
Bingo! We don't recruit the Chad Pennington's any longer. The kids just like what you said. Kids with great heart and attitudes with athletic potential. Doc has built a roster around kids with high athletic talent but without the other skills like ability to self motivate, be able to over come adversity, and play with discipline(but then again a quality QB covers up a lot of these problems).The Rucker kid sounds just like a certain QB from the Eastern Panhandle. Great kid, Great grades, and just produces on the field. This is what is meant when Doc does not take attitudes into consideration. A kid roles up with a great attitude, plays with a huge heart, has a ton of desire, and produces at the high school level and Doc would rather take a chance on athletic potential (and has some kind of off field issues).
Let's be honest. Chad was not a 4 or 5* when he got here. 1st year he was 3rd team and got thrown into the fray due to injuries. But by hard work and determination he became a qb and a leader that I wish we had every year. Same thing with BL.Bingo! We don't recruit the Chad Pennington's any longer. The kids just like what you said. Kids with great heart and attitudes with athletic potential. Doc has built a roster around kids with high athletic talent but without the other skills like ability to self motivate, be able to over come adversity, and play with discipline(but then again a quality QB covers up a lot of these problems).
You are making an ass out of yourself with your assumption. We aren't taking NQs with attitude problems, and most of our NQ recruits in the past have had test score problems that caused them to not be eligible, but were decent students. I have never even heard of this recruit you speak of so I could care less. The kid is also stupid to turn down a scholarship offer to play at ODU to walk on at WVU. ODU has RB problems and could use a few, while he will never sniff the field except to play special teams at WVU if he isn't cut first.No , I get it, he over recruits a position because certain kids are not panning out and most of the recent group is made up of props (which are at risk in terms of academics or attitudes and passes over a good kid with good grades and would bleed on the field to play D1 football). I hope JJ is not getting the ole bait and switch because he wants to playing RB.
Here we go again, the annual "Doc doesn't recruit enough players from the Panhandle" thread.The Rucker kid sounds just like a certain QB from the Eastern Panhandle. Great kid, Great grades, and just produces on the field. This is what is meant when Doc does not take attitudes into consideration. A kid roles up with a great attitude, plays with a huge heart, has a ton of desire, and produces at the high school level and Doc would rather take a chance on athletic potential (and has some kind of off field issues).
Like I said, your comments make you look like an ass.Bingo! We don't recruit the Chad Pennington's any longer. The kids just like what you said. Kids with great heart and attitudes with athletic potential. Doc has built a roster around kids with high athletic talent but without the other skills like ability to self motivate, be able to over come adversity, and play with discipline(but then again a quality QB covers up a lot of these problems).
Nope this one is from Tyler County. That is not even close to the EP. You do realize that correct?Here we go again, the annual "Doc doesn't recruit enough players from the Panhandle" thread.
and wont offer the kid from Tyler County because guess what? He has to many running back commits. lol