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1. We don't have the best right side offensive line EVER.
2. Chase doesn't deserve to wear # 1. Go back to 14, pleeeeease!
3. Our defense is terrible, horrible .
4. The pundits were gracious giving us 3rd in our conference. We could be dead last.
5. Our team quit. It flat out quit. That is the most disgusting thing I can say about this team. Because no matter how bad we've been in the past we have never quit. This team is a disgrace to every other player that donned the kelly green. Quite simply you are an embarrassment and should all wear skirts to the UL game.
 
I'm kind of tired of the hate on Litton. What do you expect- for him to be Lamar Jackson? We had a good run with Pennington and Byron but we're not just going to get studs like that every year.
 
I Herd dat said:
I'm kind of tired of the hate on Litton. What do you expect- for him to be Lamar Jackson? We had a good run with Pennington and Byron but we're not just going to get studs like that every year.
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If our last solid QB was Leftwitch, I don't think people would still be expecting studs every year, considering how long ago he and Chad played.

Does Cato not get any love from you?

Chase faced adversity in the Akron game and handled it poorly. It happens. I hope he will take the experience from that game and learn/improve from it.
 
I don't hate on Chase, he's just got a lot of maturing to do. Remember Cato's sophomore year and the mid year benching? He threw a fit just like Chase slamming his helmet, got him a seat in a hurry. Chase had a bad game, and the team quit. It's okay to have a bad game, it's NOT okay to quit. When you ask to wear #1 and emulate the NFLs best QB , be ready to emulate him.

As for the defense I was shocked at how bad we were prepared.

Go back to my threads, I said this year was going to be a rough year, too many young players. Likewise I said, we had better be ready because Akron and Tommy had this game circled...they did. It's okay to lose , it's NOT okay to quit.

Maybe Doc needs to improve too, he really prepares well for the big game but doesn't have the kids ready for the smaller games at times. Ohio last year , Akron this. Yes we are the MACs Super Bowl game but we need to deliver.
 
No they see us as the program who made them change, they see us as the traitor who left them. Any chance to beat us they take. Now we are at a level that we aren't better than them any more. Whether we started that Mac revolution or not is debatable but it's there regardless. So when we do play them, we get their best game. Why we don't give them our best is beyond me.
 
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30Kelly said:
If our last solid QB was Leftwitch, I don't think people would still be expecting studs every year, considering how long ago he and Chad played.

Does Cato not get any love from you?

Chase faced adversity in the Akron game and handled it poorly. It happens. I hope he will take the experience from that game and learn/improve from it.
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Chase seems a little too cocky. It's great to be confident but cocky, no.
 
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TheGreenhouseEffect said:
Yup. Why?

1. Did we get their best game? Yes.
2. Were they sky high to beat us? Yes.
3. Did Bowden circle the game and say Marshall is the bar we need to be at? Yes.

So.......does Notre Dame get all those? Yes.

In short , MAC schools see us as P5.
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MAC schools laugh at the arrogance of our fans. They've kicked our ass lately, more often than not. They aren't scared, especially after yesterday.

The MAC is rated higher than CUSA currently.
 
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Sadly, he is not trolling anyone. I feel he doesn't represent most Marshall fans but he absolutely believes it. Ask him to tell you about the best IPF in the country.
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1. That's IAF to you eerbilly and yes it's the best in the nation.
2. We have enough scare factor in us MIFART refuses to play us. I wonder why they see us that good but MAC schools wouldn't?
 
Reality is that Akron was only rated third, at best, in MAC east division preseason rankings. Sadly, next week they play at home and don't be surprised one bit if they are beaten by Appalachian State. We are not, as some believe, anywhere close to the Notre Dame of the G5, as our overall record in a weakened CUSA has demonstrated. With the possibility of likely losses looming to Louisville, Pitt, Southern Miss, MTSU and WKU, a season 6-6 record this year should not surprise. The we can all try to convince each other that "2017 is OUR year" as we await a Bahamas Bowl clash with mighty Ball State!!!
 
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1. That's IAF to you eerbilly and yes it's the best in the nation.
2. We have enough scare factor in us MIFART refuses to play us. I wonder why they see us that good but MAC schools wouldn't?
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Marshall gave up 68 points at home to Akron. I'm not sure anyone views you as a P5 or the Notre Dame of anything.

Your Marshall brethren in this thread certainly don't think so.
 
Another fixated Spamite, gloating that his second favorite team won. Whatever. Nothing to see but a petty jealous bitter loser sad that "his" (same words as on his road card, no actual relationship) team has in 125 years of athletics acomplished nothing and is currently waiting to see if the Big 2 continue their Little 8/10 deal or sent them back down to the AAC.

Whatever. Marshall will recover, we will have a mediocre year this year, probably a quite good one next year and "your" team will never be more than it is, and your empty life will never be more than it is.
 
7-8 Wins is what I see sam. We will split wku and mt. lose at USM. Give pitt all they can handle (remember, akron went up there in 2014 and beat them), maybe win it. I'm not ready to throw the towel in on game 2 results.
 
I've seen this team lose before and always kept my optimism. This seems different. This was not an unprepared or poorly coached team, which has been the primary cause of our upset losses in the Doc era (and most all of our losses in the Doc era have been upset losses). These guys just were less skilled than Akron. They just were out-skilled. They just are not that good.

We will be 1-3 in 13 days from now, probably with a least one loss that makes the laugh reel on SportsCenter. North Texas, UNCC, and the Floridas should be wins for anybody with a pulse. ODU should be too, but ODU has better recruiting classes than Akron. That is 6-6 at best. The team I saw Saturday is not capable of providing Pitt, USM, MTSU or WKU with a meaningful competition.
 
I don't disagree with your assessment at all. It was a very different team making stupid mistakes than the one that played last week. All the turnovers and penalties to me looked like a team not prepared. Now the defense, biggest thing that stood out was our dbs, we are definitely weak out there. Heater is going to have to be creative and give those pups some help, it was obvious in game 1 and really come to a head in game 2. Offense, the oline is yet again not that great but the entire group on that side of the ball looked unprepared. Dropped balls, receivers not on the same page, oline with stupid penalties and missed assignments, Chase getting shook up and looked snake bit from that point on, everything that could have went wrong, did. Some things can be corrected to save the season but some things are going to have to be adjusted for, like the lost dbs we are forced to use this year. Is Heater going to finally do something about those damn slants.

The things with the mistakes, that was us beating us. If we don't make those mistakes and man there were too many to count, Akron doesn't have a shot. But we made them, and they pounced on the opportunities. Cut that crap out and it was a win by a few scores. The biggest question is, does this team have what it takes to rebound and learn.............
 
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USA Today comes out with its 2 Monday morning features.

In its humor column "Misery Index" we miss the index (Oklahoma, Oregon, Notre Dame, Auburn, USC, Ole Miss, NIU, Vandy, BC, Kansas) but we get in the "Too Shocked To Be Miserable" along with FSU, Iowa, Arky State, and Missouri. I suspect we will make the main index before the year is out.

In the more serious "re-rank" we take by far the largest fall, 31 spots to 83rd. Ahead of only the Floridas, UNCC, North Texas, and ODU. Which is about right. That is what this team showed me. About 83rd or so. Leaving out the 15 to 20 kidding themselves programs, just barely above the bottom level of I-A teams. 6-6 and only that because of CUSA.
 
Guess they are as shocked as we are. I am not very high on this team right now, but there is a little hope that this can be corrected. Regardless of D performance, lack of experience and/or talent, we can't make the mistakes we made on O and win games. That is what cost us more than anything and led to that crappy 34 point second quarter for them.
 
I will add that Chase is going to have to learn to lead this team. He doesn't have a dominant defense to help him this year, so he needs to get it figured out.
 
beefcake0520 said:
I don't disagree with your assessment at all. It was a very different team making stupid mistakes than the one that played last week. All the turnovers and penalties to me looked like a team not prepared. Now the defense, biggest thing that stood out was our dbs, we are definitely weak out there. Heater is going to have to be creative and give those pups some help, it was obvious in game 1 and really come to a head in game 2. Offense, the oline is yet again not that great but the entire group on that side of the ball looked unprepared. Dropped balls, receivers not on the same page, oline with stupid penalties and missed assignments, Chase getting shook up and looked snake bit from that point on, everything that could have went wrong, did. Some things can be corrected to save the season but some things are going to have to be adjusted for, like the lost dbs we are forced to use this year. Is Heater going to finally do something about those damn slants.

The things with the mistakes, that was us beating us. If we don't make those mistakes and man there were too many to count, Akron doesn't have a shot. But we made them, and they pounced on the opportunities. Cut that crap out and it was a win by a few scores. The biggest question is, does this team have what it takes to rebound and learn.............
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Good points by both beefcake and RealSamC. Let's be brutally honest, how really, really difficult is it for someone to scheme and defensively prepare for Bill Legg's "imaginative and complex" offense? Face it, Akron D Coordinator, Chuck Amato, is an experienced coach, including head coaching, at the highest levels, and has been around the block against high major teams for years. They played us two years ago up in Akron. Since then, Bowden and staff have had 2 years to further establish their offensive and defensive schemes, to recruit for said schemes, including bringing in a bunch of transfer players from Power and other G5 programs, etc. Also, Bowden has obviously used his extensive connections to not only bring in a lot of players from Ohio, but also Pennsylvania (their QB was from there), and also down south, Georgia, Florida (the Zips only have 10 less players from the Sunshine state than do we, per the rosters in Saturday's Huntington paper).

So it is pretty obvious from Saturday's game that our staff is not head and shoulders above a lot of other G5 staffs, both in terms of recruiting, but also in game preparation, ability to make in game adjustments, both in terms of schemes, play calling, personnel substitutions, etc. Clearly our staff is a long, long way from "walking on water", as many continue to believe.
 
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TheGreenhouseEffect said:
5. Quite simply you are an embarrassment and should all wear skirts to the UL game.
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But, which bathrooms would they use, and do we need to pass a law for it?

I am kidding, to be clear, lol.

I tend to think that Marshall was overlooking The Zips in that game, especially once they went up 21-7. As a fan I'd have a hard time accepting it as well. I expect Marshall to be pumped up & ready this Saturday. They keep saying on Louisville sports talk that College Gameday will be at Clemson next Saturday night, so that's another distraction for the Cards as well. This is still a young team and they have to handle all this media love without letting it adversely affect them.
 
A Cousin From Richmond said:
Sadly, he is not trolling anyone. I feel he doesn't represent most Marshall fans but he absolutely believes it. Ask him to tell you about the best IPF in the country.
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Well, by most accounts we do have the best IAF in the country, but obviously a WVU fan like your self would ever admit it.
 
A Cousin From Richmond said:
Marshall gave up 68 points at home to Akron. I'm not sure anyone views you as a P5 or the Notre Dame of anything.

Your Marshall brethren in this thread certainly don't think so.
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Umm, 65 points and 28 of those were on defensive and special teams TDs, and that likely won't ever happen again.
 
A Cousin From Richmond said:
What does that have to do with your P5 and Notre Dame claims?
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Well its easy, now that we have a good football program and a soon to be good basketball program, you guys suddenly do not want to play us unless it is in Morgantown. What's the matter, you guys afraid of losing?
 
beefcake0520 said:
7-8 Wins is what I see sam. We will split wku and mt. lose at USM. Give pitt all they can handle (remember, akron went up there in 2014 and beat them), maybe win it. I'm not ready to throw the towel in on game 2 results.
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Not so sure we lose to USM as they just lost to Troy at home. We could drop a game somewhere in conference, but I see a good chance to go at least 7-1 in conference.
 
The Real SamC said:
USA Today comes out with its 2 Monday morning features.

In its humor column "Misery Index" we miss the index (Oklahoma, Oregon, Notre Dame, Auburn, USC, Ole Miss, NIU, Vandy, BC, Kansas) but we get in the "Too Shocked To Be Miserable" along with FSU, Iowa, Arky State, and Missouri. I suspect we will make the main index before the year is out.

In the more serious "re-rank" we take by far the largest fall, 31 spots to 83rd. Ahead of only the Floridas, UNCC, North Texas, and ODU. Which is about right. That is what this team showed me. About 83rd or so. Leaving out the 15 to 20 kidding themselves programs, just barely above the bottom level of I-A teams. 6-6 and only that because of CUSA.
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Mark it down, by the time we play MT and WKU we will be a very good team thanks to the experience gain by a bunch of young players in the 2-deep and we will likely beat them both with MT a lock.
 
beefcake0520 said:
Guess they are as shocked as we are. I am not very high on this team right now, but there is a little hope that this can be corrected. Regardless of D performance, lack of experience and/or talent, we can't make the mistakes we made on O and win games. That is what cost us more than anything and led to that crappy 34 point second quarter for them.
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See the problem is that everyone see the points allow at 65 and assumes the defense gave up all those points. The reality is that while the defense did not play good, they only gave up 37 of the 65 points with offensive and special teams errors account for 28 of Akron's points.
 
oldeherd said:
Good points by both beefcake and RealSamC. Let's be brutally honest, how really, really difficult is it for someone to scheme and defensively prepare for Bill Legg's "imaginative and complex" offense? Face it, Akron D Coordinator, Chuck Amato, is an experienced coach, including head coaching, at the highest levels, and has been around the block against high major teams for years. They played us two years ago up in Akron. Since then, Bowden and staff have had 2 years to further establish their offensive and defensive schemes, to recruit for said schemes, including bringing in a bunch of transfer players from Power and other G5 programs, etc. Also, Bowden has obviously used his extensive connections to not only bring in a lot of players from Ohio, but also Pennsylvania (their QB was from there), and also down south, Georgia, Florida (the Zips only have 10 less players from the Sunshine state than do we, per the rosters in Saturday's Huntington paper).

So it is pretty obvious from Saturday's game that our staff is not head and shoulders above a lot of other G5 staffs, both in terms of recruiting, but also in game preparation, ability to make in game adjustments, both in terms of schemes, play calling, personnel substitutions, etc. Clearly our staff is a long, long way from "walking on water", as many continue to believe.
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I believe Akron has a good HC and coordinators and they seemed to know our defensive play calls all game as several times our defensive play call was countered with the perfect offensive play call in the situation.The funny thing is that despite the terrible offensive errors allowing the defensive TDs, we still managed to score 38 points and if not for a dropped TD pass late, we would have scored 45 so our offense could be pretty strong this year if we can cut down on the errors..
 
pdbailey said:
See the problem is that everyone see the points allow at 65 and assumes the defense gave up all those points. The reality is that while the defense did not play good, they only gave up 37 of the 65 points with offensive and special teams errors account for 28 of Akron's points.
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I definitely didn't, I saw the defense put in bad situations, losing enthusiasm due to mistakes on the O and special teams. Does the D need some work, sure, but they are not what cost us the game. We agree on that. I hope experience really helps them. The biggest hurdle facing this team is adversity, they didn't handle it at all last sat., they caved after the first TO. Team has a lot to learn.
 
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