Took some of my end-of-year bonus and bought these four beauties today at lunch...
It pays to be Presbyterian...
It pays to be Presbyterian...
Boozin' Preacher Strikes Again
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Elijah Craig is my go-to as well, but bought the Buffalo Trace based primarily on your former avatar.
I drink Elijah Craig mainly for the irony. The bourbon named for a Baptist preacher much to the dismay of the "alcohol is of de debil" baptist crowd.
Hey Keep not to hijack your thread but why is it that some christian denominations believe drinking is bad?
The temperance movement of the 19th Century had a profound effect on how many churches view alcohol, a view that is very American-centric and not at all held by practically anyone prior to that and thankfully this view is going away.
Will do.
I might open that first. I don't drink near enough to have more than one bottle open at a time (even though well-cared for whisky will last a while).
I'm more of a beer guy myself, but living in KY, I have tried more than a few of the Commonwealth's bourbon offerings. Buffalo Trace is very good. I am also a fan of Knob Creek.
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Same, and I find I enjoy it more when I stick with one for a bottle instead of jumping around. Helps me get more familiar with the flavors I guess. I usually have two open at a time though, one bourbon or scotch for drinking and one rye for mixing. That combo usually lasts me a couple months before I have to buy another.
I do recommend Four Roses by the way. I'd probably get it before I'd buy Makers 46 again and that's a pretty big compliment from me.
Grossly misinterpreted verses that show an inability to do basic bible exegesis.
A view which also makes Timothy a "drunkard" and Paul an "enabler" as well as giving Dr. Welch a time-machine to intervene at the Wedding at Cana is a reading of the Greek to be mocked and eyerolled.
Here is a pic of the Dewar's and the Buffalo Trace. The Dewar's came with two free glasses (one pictured) which is nice.
BC, does your wife cover her head when she prays?
Jesus made water into wine, so the party could continue, and took the trouble to make the good stuff after everyone was already wasted. While the Bible speaks against overindulgence of alcohol, that one always made me wonder exactly what was going on.
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Jesus made water into wine, so the party could continue, and took the trouble to make the good stuff after everyone was already wasted. While the Bible speaks against overindulgence of alcohol, that one always made me wonder exactly what was going on.
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Trace and Craig are bargains at that price range. Those are my two go-to's as well.
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(The funny thing is that I do believe 1 Cor 11 teaches that women should cover in worship, and that the following section on the Lord's Supper further proves that not only does the Bible not condemn the use of alcohol (just its immoderate use), but it prescribes its use in the Lord's Supper, which our church uses real wine).
Not within our church, hence the joke about it paying to be Presbyterian (but I don't exactly get lit and run around our front yard nekkid), but as BC exemplifies there is still a lot of bigotry in these parts surrounding alcohol.
It is interesting that the only three religious groups who hate booze are Mormons, Muslims, and Southern Baptists.
Well you know why you always take two Southern Baptists with you fishing?
If you only take one he'll drink all your beer.
If you only take one he'll drink all your beer.
Arguing with you about Christianity serves no purpose because you believe Jesus to be a liar. Jesus said He was the only way to heaven and you say God hand selected you for heaven before you were even born, rendering Jesus and the entire New Testament pointless. So why would you pay attention to anything the Bible says about alcohol? In essence, you warp Christianity to suit you so you can live however you want. Then, your only defense is to say that I don't understand the Bible in some manner in which you supposedly do. You're basically a Quaker version of Joel Osteen.
When we were getting married the preacher had us come in for questioning. He asked me if I had ever had sex before.
I answered, "do you mean with her or someone else?"
Well, GK said things were a little slow around here. I think this just took care of it.
Get the popcorn out.
Tell me BC.
Would you mind actually dealing with the text and the arguments rather than make ad hominem retorts and making red herrings (our differing understandings of regeneration, yours Pelagian, mine Augustinian)?
Why did Jesus make wine at Cana and serve wine to His disciples in the Upper Room?
I know it is hard coming to grips with the fact that your position re: alcohol has no reference in the history of the Christian faith, either East or West, let alone in the Biblical record (again was Paul violating the Law of God by calling upon Timothy to have some wine for his stomach, or was that not "real wine", just grape juice, which didn't exist in those days?) until the liberal social gospelers got a hold of the Temperance movement in the 19th Century.
Elijah Craig (the aforementioned) was a baptist minister in Kentucky and was instrumental in starting the bourbon tradition. Was he just "twisting Scripture" so that he could live however he wanted?
Would you mind actually dealing with the text and the arguments rather than make ad hominem retorts and making red herrings (our differing understandings of regeneration, yours Pelagian, mine Augustinian)?
Why did Jesus make wine at Cana and serve wine to His disciples in the Upper Room?
I know it is hard coming to grips with the fact that your position re: alcohol has no reference in the history of the Christian faith, either East or West, let alone in the Biblical record (again was Paul violating the Law of God by calling upon Timothy to have some wine for his stomach, or was that not "real wine", just grape juice, which didn't exist in those days?) until the liberal social gospelers got a hold of the Temperance movement in the 19th Century.
Elijah Craig (the aforementioned) was a baptist minister in Kentucky and was instrumental in starting the bourbon tradition. Was he just "twisting Scripture" so that he could live however he wanted?
For the benefit of the group gathered here BC would you like to tell us where the Greek word "οἶνος", which (or one of its cognates) appears 36 times in the New Testament, means something other than wine which contains alcohol.
In Psalm 104:14-16 David writes, " He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth; And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart."
Is the psalmist being metaphorical? Or is just Old Testament so we can just kind of ignore it and basically become Marcionites?
In Psalm 104:14-16 David writes, " He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth; And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart."
Is the psalmist being metaphorical? Or is just Old Testament so we can just kind of ignore it and basically become Marcionites?
Keep, I readily admit that the Bible is, at best, somewhat confusing on the subject of alcohol. It has been a source of turmoil for me for a long time. Luckily, I have no desire to drink and have never even tasted the first drop of alcohol in my entire life. That has nothing to do with my faith, and is solely a result of me simply being turned off by alcohol.
Even if one takes the position that you can drink but not get drunk, I have a hard time believing that those same people (most likely including yourself) don't get drunk.
Further, as a preacher, you are specifically forbidden to drink alcohol. Titus 1:7 and 1 Timothy 3:3 says not to be given to wine. You ignore that as conveniently as you ignore John 3:16.
Those are two positions that I simply cannot understand how you can take as a preacher.
This post was edited on 12/29 10:40 PM by big_country90
Even if one takes the position that you can drink but not get drunk, I have a hard time believing that those same people (most likely including yourself) don't get drunk.
Further, as a preacher, you are specifically forbidden to drink alcohol. Titus 1:7 and 1 Timothy 3:3 says not to be given to wine. You ignore that as conveniently as you ignore John 3:16.
Those are two positions that I simply cannot understand how you can take as a preacher.
This post was edited on 12/29 10:40 PM by big_country90
Again notice what is being said there. 1 Tim 3:3 and 1 Tim 3:8 do not disagree with one another.
The Greek phrase "μη παροινον" used in 1 Tim 3:3 only has two occurrences in the New Testament. The word itself means "drunkard". The word wine (the aforementioned οινος) does not appear here. It is specifically referring to a man that is "given to wine" or is owned by it. Its only other appearance is in a similar context in Titus 1:7.
1 Timothy 3:3, "μη παροινον μη πληκτην μη αισχροκερδη αλλ επιεικη αμαχον αφιλαργυρον"
1 Timothy 3:3, "Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;"
This post was edited on 12/29 10:53 PM by wvkeeper(HN)
The Greek phrase "μη παροινον" used in 1 Tim 3:3 only has two occurrences in the New Testament. The word itself means "drunkard". The word wine (the aforementioned οινος) does not appear here. It is specifically referring to a man that is "given to wine" or is owned by it. Its only other appearance is in a similar context in Titus 1:7.
1 Timothy 3:3, "μη παροινον μη πληκτην μη αισχροκερδη αλλ επιεικη αμαχον αφιλαργυρον"
1 Timothy 3:3, "Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;"
This post was edited on 12/29 10:53 PM by wvkeeper(HN)
I would never argue the Bible with someone who actually spent a large portion of their life dedicated to learning it, not just from self study, but through formal education. Likewise, I don't argue weather with Raoul or science with GK. You have to know the arenas in which you are best suited for battle.
Our pastor has his masters from Temple Baptist and his Doctor of Ministry from Dallas Theological. I'm not afraid to ask questions, and follow up questions, but at the end of the day he's just too well versed, no pun intended, for me to think I have any better interpretation of scripture. Keep, he would argue with you that, while wine of biblical times certainly contained alcohol, the level was significantly less than today's version do to differences in how it was made. He would agree that drinking is not a sin, or a violation of scripture, if not done in excess. However, he would also point out that if you don't drink you don't have to worry where the point of excess actually occurs.
Our pastor has his masters from Temple Baptist and his Doctor of Ministry from Dallas Theological. I'm not afraid to ask questions, and follow up questions, but at the end of the day he's just too well versed, no pun intended, for me to think I have any better interpretation of scripture. Keep, he would argue with you that, while wine of biblical times certainly contained alcohol, the level was significantly less than today's version do to differences in how it was made. He would agree that drinking is not a sin, or a violation of scripture, if not done in excess. However, he would also point out that if you don't drink you don't have to worry where the point of excess actually occurs.
