CNN fact-checker says Tampon Tim's claim on Trump economy 'not true,' says manufacturing jobs rose under him
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Yeah, really just demoralized me so much that I’ve changed my mind about voting blue this election and will now circle in the bubble for Trump.
Now, let me get back to calling all of you names the way I have this entire thread.
Well yeah, you didn't fool anyone about being "objective"... Heck, you can't even acknowledge the effect Covid-19 had on manufacturing output and related job losses...
I fully acknowledge that Covid was a factor. I even credited Trump for his gains. It’s just that you missed that by not reading the entire thread. That’s why I didn’t respond to the bulk of your posts because we had already addressed your points.
Of course Covid hurt manufacturing jobs, but so did the real estate collapse. So my contention is you can’t ignore the real estate collapse when calculating job losses and gains under Obama but then turn around and consider Covid under Trump.
Trump did have some nice job growth pre-Covid but manufacturing jobs had also already started to drop before March of 2020. Additionally, Obama made impressive gains from 2010-2016 and although 2024 isn’t as dramatic, Biden has demonstrated decent manufacturing job growth to date. One argument was that Biden’s grown related only to Covid but that isn’t necessarily true because manufacturing jobs under Biden have exceeded the highest point pre-Covid under Trump.
And for what it’s worth, I am 100% an independent and have history of voting for both parties but just so we’re clear I will vote straight blue until the Republican Party regains some dignity and moves on from Trump. I’m not anti Republican but I’m damn sure anti Trump.
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I didn't miss that. You said Trump didn't have manufacturing gains over his presidency. That is false. He had gains during the pre-Covid period of his presidency.
At no time did anyone do that. You are the one saying the housing bubble affected Obama's presidency while being dismissive of Covid's effect on Trump's presidency.
Obama's gains included the recovery from the government created housing bubble but still were still down 300k from the start of his presidency. There is no debating that no matter how you spin it.
Opening up the economy along with pent-up demand brought increased many of those manufacturing jobs. It's not as simple as you are making it.
I believe there were 4 - 5 million fewer US made vehicles during Covid. This brought pent-up demand and increasing manufacturing jobs in both assembly plants and ancillary suppliers over the last 2-3 years. High inflation, interest rates, etc. are going to have an effect on continuing demand and manufacturing jobs. I've already posted US new vehicle inventories are alarmingly high.
Well so much for your "objectivity" you claimed to bring to this thread when in fact you just admitted you are 100% against Trump and intend to vote 100% blue.
Interesting you said both parties don't have our best interests at hand but now you are voting exclusively for one of those two parties.
Interesting that the one person that has proven himself to think independently of party lines you are 100% against.
Interesting that you say illegal immigration is a significant problem yet you are voting 100% for the party that is failing to address it and it actively working to increase the number of illegal immigrants.
Interesting that you say the Republican Party lacks dignity but you are voting 100% for the party that routinely calls their political opponents deplorables, fascists, racists, Nazi's, anti-democracy, etc...
Me being objective doesn’t mean I support Trump. Integrity matter. Ha has none.
Until the Republican Party grows a set and moves on from Trump, I’ll continue to vote blue.
And as long as you are supporting Trump, stop with the whining about name calling. You’ve normalized him and his supporters, being vile and immature, while expecting the opposition to be perfect. It’s a double standard. The man stands in front of a microphone calling people names daily and has for years.
Okay? What does me being a white guy have to do with anything?You're a White Guy For Harris and just outed yourself 🤣
That's the magic question but Isn't everything on your side about race???
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Dude, you're not objective you're deranged.
The Republicans finally find a candidate with a set and you've lost your mind to TDS...
Whining??? You've got to be kidding me. Your side has shouted down conservatives speakers and universities for as long as I can remember and now that you're getting a little dose of your own medicine you can't handle it.
Dignity???
Objective??? 🤣🤣🤣
Dude, you're not objective you're deranged.
The Republicans finally find a candidate with a set and you've lost your mind to TDS...
Whining??? You've got to be kidding me. Your side has shouted down conservatives speakers and universities for as long as I can remember and now that you're getting a little dose of your own medicine you can't handle it.
Dignity???
Objective??? 🤣🤣🤣
Well that took a turn. Have a good night.
The only turn it took was calling you out on your "objectivity" as you dismiss the issues and focus only on Trump's personality.
BTW speaking of vile and immature personalities...
Ex-Kamala Harris staffers have bad memories of a toxic culture in her past offices and are texting each other about it
Ex-aides to Kamala Harris say she's often led offices with low morale. They see similarities in news reports about internal VP staff dysfunction.
www.businessinsider.com
Here is a question you deplorables never seem to be able to answer.The only turn it took was calling you out on your "objectivity" as you dismiss the issues and focus only on Trump's personality.
BTW speaking of vile and immature personalities...
Ex-Kamala Harris staffers have bad memories of a toxic culture in her past offices and are texting each other about it
Ex-aides to Kamala Harris say she's often led offices with low morale. They see similarities in news reports about internal VP staff dysfunction.
How come when the media says anything negative about trump, the cries of "MSM," "fake news," etc. start? But then when that same MSM calls out a Dem for lies or reports negatively on them, those same sources suddenly become legitimate enough to trust?
Have you noticed when people say they're "objective" the conversation usually turns to Trump's personality? But Trump....
Interesting that he pointed out George W. Bush's manufacturing job losses with no mention of NAFTA courtesy of Bill Clinton and then the World Trade Organization...
And if Obama was as confident as @herdftblfan is of his manufacturing job record why did he say this?
Finished it for you.
It's pretty sad that there are so many voters who would rather our country suffer than choose policy over hate.
Having zero faith in Trump’s honesty and ability to implement isn’t hate. I believe the man throws out as much sh*t as possible in hopes of grabbing votes while having no structured plans or intent of implementing one. Hell, we’re still waiting on his healthcare plan.
I also think character matters because it’s reflected in your decision making.
Anytime someone points out Trump’s countless flaws, the default response is the media is out to get him, the courts were used against him, the entire world hates him, etc. Virtually his entire cabinet from his first terms says he’s unfit yet his you claim that they are all wrong and only Trump is right. In fact, you believe anyone and everyone that doesn’t support him is a liar and an idiot.
Even Republicans that you once adored and supported are attacked if they speak out against Trump. Quite frankly it’s bizarre.
Trump and his administration did a far better job than the current administration, when it comes to policy.
There's no question.
I'm an Independent and I don't "adore" anyone in government. I vote policies, period. What's best for our country, not what's best for our adversaries and illegal foreign nationals.
I'm tired of "America-and-its-citizens-last" policies, lawlessness and "weak-on-crime" policies.
Are you sure you frequent this board as much as you claim? We're the ones that are repeatedly being called liars and idiots...
Virtually all??? Yeah, you're real objective... You keep repeating media lies so that seems to suggest you are lying...
Even Rachel Maddow doesn't buy the NBC lie you are trying to sell here...
Half of Trump’s former Cabinet secretaries haven’t backed his 2024 bid
During Donald Trump’s term, 42 people served in his Cabinet. Nearly half of them haven’t endorsed his 2024 candidacy. There’s no precedent for this.
www.msnbc.com
Adored??? Like Liz Cheney??? You really are objective...
Last thing I'm going to say about this - you've wasted a lot of your time and ours as well trying to "objectively" convince yourself, and us, that CNN is wrong about Trump's pre-Covid manufacturing gains.
Let me repeat that - you are trying to disprove what CNN said when they accurately fact checked Tim Waltz that went against his, and your, narrative. Wow... Just wow...
Sounds like Tim Waltz tells bigger lies than Trump...
I support, and respect your right to have that opinion regardless of whether I agree with you.
So you are claiming that the Trump supporters on this board don’t reciprocate and participate in the name calling? If so, that’s willful ignorance. Scroll through this thread alone.Are you sure you frequent this board as much as you claim? We're the ones that are repeatedly being called liars and idiots...
Virtually all??? Yeah, you're real objective... You keep repeating media lies so that seems to suggest you are lying...
Even Rachel Maddow doesn't buy the NBC lie you are trying to sell here...
Half of Trump’s former Cabinet secretaries haven’t backed his 2024 bid
During Donald Trump’s term, 42 people served in his Cabinet. Nearly half of them haven’t endorsed his 2024 candidacy. There’s no precedent for this.
Adored??? Like Liz Cheney??? You really are objective...
Last thing I'm going to say about this - you've wasted a lot of your time and ours as well trying to "objectively" convince yourself, and us, that CNN is wrong about Trump's pre-Covid manufacturing gains.
Let me repeat that - you are trying to disprove what CNN said when they accurately fact checked Tim Waltz that went against his, and your, narrative. Wow... Just wow...
Sounds like Tim Waltz tells bigger lies than Trump...
For every article you post claiming “half”, there’s another saying “90%” but even if it’s half, I wouldn’t be bragging. The list of cabinet members refusing to endorse him is long and unprecedented.
Now you are whining about me wasting your time? Stop replying and keep scrolling. It’s a message board and it’s America.
You seem hung up on my objectivity but I assume if I came here, drank the Kool-Aid, and followed the herd, you’d be good with me posting?
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How delusional can you be? trump is the one who has a huge number of his own staff speaking out against him . . . people who worked with him, who he repeatedly promised were the "best and brightest." trump is the one with dozens of top economists speaking out about the dangers of his 7th grade class president promises. trump is the one with dozens of admirals and generals speaking out against him. trump is the one with multiple juries convicting him. Yet with every single one of those incidents, you claim he is right and all of the others are being dishonest for some random reason.
On the other hand, what do Harris defenders say about people speaking out against her? That they're uneducated? Data suggests that. That they're ethically bankrupt?
Your side, overwhelmingly, has far more criticism (deserved) for trump's actions and words, yet you claim all of those people are lying and trying to serve their best interest. Harris doesn't have a high number of her/Biden's administration sending out warnings about the danger she is. She doesn't have dozens of top economists saying he ideas are a serious danger.
Have I called you a name in this thread other than saying your not as objective as you think you are? Have I been called any names in this thread? That's not reciprocity in my dictionary...
Well half would be objective. Virtually all is not objective as you say you are. Thanks for proving my point.
It's America but yet you just told me what to do? How objective of you...
No. You are the one hung up on your objectivity. I just like pointing out that you're not as objective as you think you are.
Objectively speaking it's really Flavor Aid.
You can post whatever you want. Just be better prepared to back up what you post and don't whine when someone exposes your biases...
I think our exchange has run its course. We’ve reached the point of unproductive and I feel like I’m talking to David Koresh.
And now the name-calling begins... Bless your heart...
