BREAKING Derek Pitts
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You are all over the place. The only comment I have made in this thread has to do with the academic rankings provided by US News. One of your fellow eerdiots used that as defense of what a wonderful academic institution WBU is, so that's why it came into play.
I don't care what he posted. The issue here is staying relevant! Spending $50 million on athletic upgrades and improving the research function of the school will be a huge help if a shake up does take place. Also winning.
Clemson is a land grant university as well. So is Purdue, NC State, Virginia Tech, Ohio State, Univeristy of California, University of Florida, Penn State, etc. My guess is wvu has more of an open enrollment because it is in a state with stagnant or declining population and it wants to attract as man students from out of state as possible. In state it will take pretty much anybody. Schools like Clemson, NC State, etc. in growing states can be more selective even with in state students.
If you don't like US News and World Report, you can go by Forbes Magazine. Forbes has WVU at #454.
https://www.forbes.com/colleges/west-virginia-university/#305f0dd58b0a
You didn't go to WVU did you? I always encounter this with WVU people. The alumni know what they are. They are proud of their school, which is totally OK, but they know what they are, which is a middling University. Neither great nor awful. WVU fans who never attended WVU think it's academics are like Harvard and it athletics are like Alabama.
I don't think wvu will be left out during the next conference shake up. However, the upgrades are being made in order for wvu to stay relevant. They are not moving you up the pecking order.
I just think the methodology is all screwed. WVU is an open enrollment school Plan and simple and everyone knows this will never help WVU improve in these rankings
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Penn State uses the two year campus system to house there lower ACY/SAT students then off to main campus for the final two years
This discussion is about staying relevant on the athletic side.....to be honest....lol....im not sure WVU has ever been relevant on the academic side on a national scale.
The others go to wvu.
Its tweeted.
Great...Clemson. One school can't govern the ACC. They have some say, but good luck convincing Duke, UVA, VT, Miami, and Pitt to let wvu in.
Louisville was the academic equivalent of wvu...but Louisville has money. The ACC spent their headscratcher school on one thats actually worth it. Big 10 did the same with Nebraska and no AAU status.
Sorry wvu...you're ****in' out!
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"A school for the people"
This statement alone made me wonder if you have a degree of any kind...not even higher level.
By the way...which people?
The NJ people?
NY people?
NOVA people?
PA people?
Couldn't be for the WV people...wvu serves everyone but its own.
Sooo....
Your fearless leader...school president Gordon Gee, is going to be the one to lead you to the elite?
The same guy kicked out of a school with a fanbase as annoying as yours, for saying many controversial comments about certain ethnicities and religions?
Then he somehow either forgets about the people he offends by pretending to not know they exist? Doesn't abide by rules and, you know, basic professional dignity...that guy?
At this point he'd be better off being forced out before he gives a commencent without pants on and forgets the names of the wvu BoG.
wvu's income is huge...by wvu standards (which are low).
Do you honestly think wvu is anywhere near the top in spending? Hell, some schools are conservative in their spending and would drown wvu out in what they could actually do with their money.
The same goes for the hospital and research.
Congrats you're good at something like Brain injury research.
But lets compare you to UPMC and see how well you do.
Here's the problem with wvu and its fans...WV as a state, has horribly low standards. I often wonder if the education system is purposely dumbed down so people are actually in awe of wvu...until they apply to a school, literally anywhere else outside of WV.
Because of these standards, you think anything wvu does, is more amazing than it actually is.
In WV, wvu does have multiple advantages. Go anywhere outside of WV and suddenly, wvu is shit.
Thats what the others in elite conferences and schools will look at. wvu offers plenty if you're in WV...and offers nothing to anyone else.
No money. No market. No people.
Also, socially, wvu still is looked at as the school who have inbred students who get blind drunk and wear dead animals on their heads.
I will give credit to wvu for blowing the lid off of VW for cheating their emission numbers.
The staff there got some recognition...but are literally scraping money to get by and keep their program afloat.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...-wvu-diesel-volkswagen-west-virginia.amp.html
So will wvu get in anywhere in the next round?
I can't tell you your chances, but you have my sympathies
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"A school for the people"
This statement alone made me wonder if you have a degree of any kind...not even higher level.
By the way...which people?
The NJ people?
NY people?
NOVA people?
PA people?
Couldn't be for the WV people...wvu serves everyone but its own.
Sooo....
Your fearless leader...school president Gordon Gee, is going to be the one to lead you to the elite?
The same guy kicked out of a school with a fanbase as annoying as yours, for saying many controversial comments about certain ethnicities and religions?
Then he somehow either forgets about the people he offends by pretending to not know they exist? Doesn't abide by rules and, you know, basic professional dignity...that guy?
At this point he'd be better off being forced out before he gives a commencent without pants on and forgets the names of the wvu BoG.
wvu's income is huge...by wvu standards (which are low).
Do you honestly think wvu is anywhere near the top in spending? Hell, some schools are conservative in their spending and would drown wvu out in what they could actually do with their money.
The same goes for the hospital and research.
Congrats you're good at something like Brain injury research.
But lets compare you to UPMC and see how well you do.
Here's the problem with wvu and its fans...WV as a state, has horribly low standards. I often wonder if the education system is purposely dumbed down so people are actually in awe of wvu...until they apply to a school, literally anywhere else outside of WV.
Because of these standards, you think anything wvu does, is more amazing than it actually is.
In WV, wvu does have multiple advantages. Go anywhere outside of WV and suddenly, wvu is shit.
Thats what the others in elite conferences and schools will look at. wvu offers plenty if you're in WV...and offers nothing to anyone else.
No money. No market. No people.
Also, socially, wvu still is looked at as the school who have inbred students who get blind drunk and wear dead animals on their heads.
I will give credit to wvu for blowing the lid off of VW for cheating their emission numbers.
The staff there got some recognition...but are literally scraping money to get by and keep their program afloat.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...-wvu-diesel-volkswagen-west-virginia.amp.html
So will wvu get in anywhere in the next round?
I can't tell you your chances, but you have my sympathies
You realize the last two seasons because of OU's success(and only having 10 teams) the Big 12's income has been either the top or near the top of all the P5 conferences....and trust me its not even close with the ACC....WVU got lucky and fell into a league with other Land Grant Universities and income that makes the ACC schools only dream...this all shows in how WVU is spending $50 million on athletic facilities right now. The goal is to be ready when the next shake up comes. I think that the President that got kicked out of Ohio State is going a pretty good job right now of putting the University in the best possible position.
btw, do you live in the state? Almost sounds like you live out state and talking down about WV. Lots pride in for both football programs in this state.
The Big 12 isn't going anywhere as long as Texas and Oklahoma are around, and considering the revenue stream right now, there aren't leaving. All of these people who always want to predict to destruction of the Big 12 with no merit crack me up.
If the ACC needs to go to 16, the talk is giving ND thw ultimatum of either in or out and bringing in WVU because of Athletic success. There isnt much options out there
If the Big 12 split, which wouldn't be for at least 8-10 years and who knows what the college football (or ncaa in general) landscape would look like then anyway, then the other 4 Power Conferences would certainly go to 16 each. They would do that now if it was beneficial for them but level of programs, geography, etc. make it so they don't want to do that. If the Big 12 split, there would be ample teams to pick up for those other power conferences wanting to fill the voids and keep up with each other..
The PAC 12 and Big 10 would absolutely wants Oklahoma and Texas, and the Pac 12 would also want Ok State and likely TCU. The SEC would want teams like Baylor and Kansas. The Big 10 would probably end up with Texas in all honestly, and probably Iowa State. ACC would take WVU, hope for Notre Dame's commitment (unless the Big 10 poaches them) . There are currently 64 teams in the P5. If you honestly think that the remaining 4 would go after an alternative to WVU, then those conferences would be trying to sign those alternatives today, which they aren't. It's such an old argument, and holds no water. It's like a SamC argument, just a long diatribe that never has any merit.
Sam C and Rifle are related...and playing this site like a pro.
Nobody believes that you actually believe that.... so I hope for your own sake you don't. Otherwise, there's really no hope for you as a sports fan at any level.
What WOULD we do w/o the Mountaineers?? If you combine Rifle and Sam, you get:
Miseralf. Who has the Alf .gif?
Miseralf. Who has the Alf .gif?
Does anyone on this forum actually give any merit to what Sam says? Like has that ever happened? Just curious
I see this scenario taking place
ACC
BC, Cuse, Pitt, WVU, Louisville, ND, VT, UVA,
UNC, DUKE, WAKE, NC STATE, CLEMSON, GT, FSU, MIAMI
SEC
UK, UTK, VANDY, UGA, SOUTH CAROLINA, UF, BAMA, AUBURN
OL MISS, MS STATE, LSU, ARKANSAS, MISSOURI, TAMU, OU, OK STATE
PAC 12
WASH, WASH STATE, OREGON, OSU, CAL, STANFORD, UTAH, COLORADO
TEXAS, TEXAS TECH, TCU, BAYLOR, ARIZONA, ASU, USC, UCLA
BIG 10
RUTGERS, MARYLAND, PENN STATE, OHIO STATE, MICHIGAN, MICHIGAN STATE, INDIANA, PURDUE
ILLINOIS, NORTHWESTERN, WISCONSIN, MINNESOTA, IOWA, IOWA STATE, KANSAS, NEBRASKA
I am not going to pretend like I know where teams would end up, however I do think the SEC would be drooling over Kansas. They don't want another football powerhouse, rather Kansas would challenge Kentucky for basketball dominance, which would be a huge marketing talking point. It would also give Mizzou a close rival that they don't have now geographically. Outside of Texas to any conference they want to go to, I think Kansas to the SEC would be next in line. I also don't see any way that OU and Ok state are not Pac 12.
That being said, the Big 12 is extremely lucrative right now and trending upward. It's not going anywhere. Every team makes dozens of millions annually at a bare minimum, and contrary to SamC and his hot garbage out of his mouth, it is going to be long term.
The one thing I want to know if he actually believes what he writes.. or it is just comes out like diarrhea, he feels relieved, and flushes.
I'd say Kansas to Big 10 and K State to SEC. Kansas is AAU and for the basketball reason you stated, would put Kansas with Michigan State annually, whic could draw as much as Kentucky vs. Kansas.
Also, I think Kansas just fits the Big 10 geographically.
Missouri Borders Arkansas and have a long term rivalry against TAMU. Adding Oklahoma and OK State would shift Missouri to the west and the 2 Alabama schools to the East.
I wouldn’t go as far as saying they’d bring nothing to the SEC, but we can agree they’d not likely get an invite to the conference.
The SEC isn’t inviting OU AND Oklahoma State.
That is not true. You must not be aware that of WVU's 29,000 plus students, over 13,000 of them are West Virginia residents. More WV residents at WVU than the entire number of students at MU, including Marshall's out of state students...........
Sure Kansas Basketball is big but outside of Basketball what else athletically do they offer? Remember it is football that is driving realignment
That is true to some extent. But in a P4 scenario these teams all have their markets covered. It doesn't benefit the SEC to have Oklahoma City anymore than it does the entire state of Kansas. At some point basketball is a driving revenue as well as a marketable product for reasons just beyond sports. The SEC does not need Oklahoma football anymore than Oklahoma football needs the SEC. The big boys want to be good in all aspects, Football, Basketball, Academics.. hell even some baseball. Look at SEC baseball, it is actually prosperous. Kansas basketball is a huge product.
