Do You Leftists Really Agree with This?

[big_country90]

This caravan of illegals is marching toward our border, and are nearly 5,000 strong now. And you know this is being organized and funded by some leftist group. Are we supposed to simply let them in? This is why we need tougher immigration laws as well as a border wall. These people are laughing at our lack of border enforcement and rubbing it in our face.

So...how many of you agree with this?


https://apnews.com/b709e05ec83c49e6876ff612141ae942

 

[Chevy1]

I know there are those who believe anyone not kissing Trump's ass must be a "leftist"....

I'm no leftist. We need to control our borders. It's not rocket science.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

And you know this is being organized and funded by some leftist group.

Do you have a serious reference for that?

 

[GK4Herd]

Does anyone have a link that shows that this is not a grass root movement and that it is backed by some liberal group? I’ve seen the accusations, but can’t find any names being mentioned. I could honestly see it both ways. Neither would surprise me.

If it’s a grass root movement, I can’t blame people for trying to find a better opportunity for their family. If it’s a calculated move by some organization sympathetic to the immigrants, it’s a pretty good stunt if they arrive just prior to Election Day. Trump’s promise for a military response against a group that includes a large amount of women and children could be looked upon unfavorably. Any separation of children from parents has already proved unpopular. But it will also energize the Trump base as well.

The Mexican people have been extremely supportive of the Hondurans as they march across their country, donating food, money, and clothing. What this presidency is doing is further driving a wedge into the widening gap in this country as well as across the world.

It will be interesting when they reach the border.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

This is why we need tougher immigration laws as well as a border wall.

Is tougher the word you mean or are "smarter" and "better enforced" more accurate?

 

[Bankerreturns]

For the reasons you mention, timing, arriving right at election time, and the fact that there isn't a real "humanitarian" way to handle it without harming the national interests of the U.S. is what makes me believe it is funded from somewhere.

Also, it's logistics. It takes a lot of food, water and other supplies to march thousands of people thousands of miles. Think if this was a military operation. How much planning goes in to moving that number of troops over that distance by land? In the old days it required seizing farms and livestock and commandeering supplies. Even now, with MREs and air support, it's a huge undertaking. I can't believe that Mexicans, living in small, poor towns along the route have enough excess goods to take care of this caravan. Money and supplies are coming from somewhere.

My thought is that it might backfire. I hope it gets to be 10,000 or more strong. Those size of crowds start making even moderates and the lightly liberal nervous because it looks more like an invasion than immigration.

 

[ohio herd]

I saw a video a couple of days ago that is behind this. I would post it but can't find it now. From an article on Politico


Trump appeared to be referring to a video that Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), a frequent ally, posted on Twitter on Wednesday that supposedly depicted migrants in Honduras “giving cash” to migrants in the Central American country as they set of for the U.S. Going even further, Gaetz called for an investigation to examine whether “US-backed NGOs” or the financier George Soros, a frequent subject of conservative conspiracy theories, were behind the alleged payments. Trump himself tweeted out the video on Thursday.

Regardless of what was actually being passed out in the video, where men are shown handing something to women waiting in line, there was evidence that the video was actually shot in Guatemala, not Honduras.

In an apparent correction of the location, Gaetz tweeted on Thursday: “Because a Honduran government official sent me this video, I believed it came from Honduras.” It is not known when the video was shot.

Look, None of us may know who is behind this but you can bet someone is helping them and it's not the GOP

 

[GK4Herd]

For the reasons you mention, timing, arriving right at election time, and the fact that there isn't a real "humanitarian" way to handle it without harming the national interests of the U.S. is what makes me believe it is funded from somewhere.

Also, it's logistics. It takes a lot of food, water and other supplies to march thousands of people thousands of miles. Think if this was a military operation. How much planning goes in to moving that number of troops over that distance by land? In the old days it required seizing farms and livestock and commandeering supplies. Even now, with MREs and air support, it's a huge undertaking. I can't believe that Mexicans, living in small, poor towns along the route have enough excess goods to take care of this caravan. Money and supplies are coming from somewhere.

My thought is that it might backfire. I hope it gets to be 10,000 or more strong. Those size of crowds start making even moderates and the lightly liberal nervous because it looks more like an invasion than immigration.

The face of the invasion...

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

For the reasons you mention, timing, arriving right at election time, and the fact that there isn't a real "humanitarian" way to handle it without harming the national interests of the U.S. is what makes me believe it is funded from somewhere.

Also, it's logistics. It takes a lot of food, water and other supplies to march thousands of people thousands of miles. Think if this was a military operation. How much planning goes in to moving that number of troops over that distance by land? In the old days it required seizing farms and livestock and commandeering supplies. Even now, with MREs and air support, it's a huge undertaking. I can't believe that Mexicans, living in small, poor towns along the route have enough excess goods to take care of this caravan. Money and supplies are coming from somewhere.

My thought is that it might backfire. I hope it gets to be 10,000 or more strong. Those size of crowds start making even moderates and the lightly liberal nervous because it looks more like an invasion than immigration.

If this were a military operation, the 3000 troops would be well fed, have plenty of water, and be traveling with thousands of tons of equipment.

It doesn't take much for impoverished people used to not having shit to get by. And considering our history of being dicks in Central America and Trump having said what he has about the folks down there I am sure the locals along the way are eager to help out.

Oh, and these are not Mexicans.

 

[i am herdman]

More shit we can pay for. Democrats get them on the dole and hope for the votes. Chicken in every pot!

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

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I hate when I can't tell if that is one of the rapists or one of the drug dealers.

 

[murox]

I hate when I can't tell if that is one of the rapists or one of the drug dealers.

Neither, just another non-contributing future democrat supported by taxpayers. It's a good thing we have unlimited resources here. Let's take in every refugee in the world so they can bring their shithole culture with them and we can have democrat rule until the country collapses.

 

[GK4Herd]

Neither, just another non-contributing future democrat supported by taxpayers. It's a good thing we have unlimited resources here. Let's take in every refugee in the world so they can bring their shithole culture with them and we can have democrat rule until the country collapses.

Imagine that...a Rox post with the word shithole.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Neither, just another non-contributing future democrat supported by taxpayers. It's a good thing we have unlimited resources here. Let's take in every refugee in the world so they can bring their shithole culture with them and we can have democrat rule until the country collapses.

It would be interesting to look at the per capita income of an illegal in the U.S. after they have been here as adults for ten years compared to the average Williamson High graduate.

 

[Bankerreturns]

So it's all babies in the caravan. Good to know.

 

[i am herdman]

It would be interesting to look at the per capita income of an illegal in the U.S. after they have been here as adults for ten years compared to the average Williamson High graduate.

If they are illegal they have no skin in the game. Paying taxes? Paying into SSI? And, so on? What is the cost on our school systems? Cost of medical care?

 

[i am herdman]

So it's all babies in the caravan. Good to know.

Sure and that makes it right. Come on in. Borders don't mean anything. We will take care of you?

 

[murox]

It would be interesting to look at the per capita income of an illegal in the U.S. after they have been here as adults for ten years compared to the average Williamson High graduate.

You can't be serious . . .

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

If they are illegal they have no skin in the game. Paying taxes? Paying into SSI? And, so on? What is the cost on our school systems? Cost of medical care?

There are tons of illegals who pay taxes of all kinds. Our economy gets billions in tax dollars from illegals.

You can't be serious . . .

Entirely . . . well, outside of your billions of course.

Your high school had more than 2/3 of its students coming from low-income households. Statistics show that kids from low-income households tend to graduate college at a much lower rate. Statistics show that those who don't graduate college have far inferior incomes.

My guess is that illegals who have been here as adults for at least ten years don't have the huge disparity in income that the average Williamson High student had ten years after graduating.

 

[murox]

There are tons of illegals who pay taxes of all kinds. Our economy gets billions in tax dollars from illegals.




Entirely . . . well, outside of your billions of course.

Your high school had more than 2/3 of its students coming from low-income households. Statistics show that kids from low-income households tend to graduate college at a much lower rate. Statistics show that those who don't graduate college have far inferior incomes.

My guess is that illegals who have been here as adults for at least ten years don't have the huge disparity in income that the average Williamson High student had ten years after graduating.

Where is your demographic data coming from for Williamson High School grads, or are you just making shit up as you usually do? I'm guessing nearly half my graduating class graduated from college.

 

[Bankerreturns]

Yes, and rifle would rather support Illegal immigrants than the poor of Appalchia.

 

[big_country90]

Yes, and rifle would rather support Illegal immigrants than the poor of Appalchia.

That’s because they might actually vote republican. West Virginians don’t count as actual poor people, just like black conservatives aren’t really black, Hispanic conservatives aren’t really Hispanic, and female conservatives aren’t really female.

 

[big_country90]

More shit we can pay for. Democrats get them on the dole and hope for the votes. Chicken in every pot!

This is pathetic. I hope Trump sends the military and closes our border. This has got to stop. We simply can’t keep taking people in by the thousands like this.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Where is your demographic data coming from for Williamson High School grads, or are you just making shit up as you usually do? I'm guessing nearly half my graduating class graduated from college.

I didn't say "grads" pertaining to that, but rather, "students."

- 57% in the last year of the school were eligible for free lunch with an additional 9% being eligible for reduced lunch. Add those together, and you get 66%. Both of those count as low-income households:

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/williamson-high-school-profile



- 70% (with a high margin of error) of children below 18 live in poverty:

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/16000US5487508-williamson-wv/



- 47% of Williamson residents live in poverty:

http://www.city-data.com/poverty/poverty-Williamson-West-Virginia.html



- 39% poverty rate of Williamson:

https://datausa.io/profile/geo/williamson-wv/

I'm guessing nearly half my graduating class graduated from college.

It shouldn't be hard to ask both of them if they graduated.

But, hey, one of those links also shows that the last year of the school had a math and reading proficiency rate significantly below the average rate in West Virginia, one of the worst producing states in education (and just about every other category). So if your school is below the average in a state with poor education, it's hard to imagine that nearly half of your class graduated from college.

or are you just making shit up as you usually do?

I've shut down every single one of your accusations against except the Grammy nominated one. Keep hiding though, coward.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

This is pathetic. I hope Trump sends the military and closes our border. This has got to stop. We simply can’t keep taking people in by the thousands like this.

Whoa, you really are starting to believe that Jesus is a fraud. Way to take a stand against what he said to do.

 

[murox]

I didn't say "grads" pertaining to that, but rather, "students."

- 57% in the last year of the school were eligible for free lunch with an additional 9% being eligible for reduced lunch. Add those together, and you get 66%. Both of those count as low-income households:

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/williamson-high-school-profile



- 70% (with a high margin of error) of children below 18 live in poverty:

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/16000US5487508-williamson-wv/



- 47% of Williamson residents live in poverty:

http://www.city-data.com/poverty/poverty-Williamson-West-Virginia.html



- 39% poverty rate of Williamson:

https://datausa.io/profile/geo/williamson-wv/





It shouldn't be hard to ask both of them if they graduated.

But, hey, one of those links also shows that the last year of the school had a math and reading proficiency rate significantly below the average rate in West Virginia, one of the worst producing states in education (and just about every other category). So if your school is below the average in a state with poor education, it's hard to imagine that nearly half of your class graduated from college.




I've shut down every single one of your accusations against except the Grammy nominated one. Keep hiding though, coward.

Ask the board if ANYONE believes any of your claims. Just find one person who believes you.

Also, williamson high school hasn’t existed in more than a decade. Using current demographics for williamson isn’t relevant. When I grew up there 20 years ago it was a much different town than it is now thanks to an effective war on its primary industry, which trickled down to every industry in the town.

I think my graduating class was around 75-80 people.

 

[mlblack16.]

If this were a military operation, the 3000 troops would be well fed, have plenty of water, and be traveling with thousands of tons of equipment.

It doesn't take much for impoverished people used to not having shit to get by. And considering our history of being dicks in Central America and Trump having said what he has about the folks down there I am sure the locals along the way are eager to help out.

Oh, and these are not Mexicans.

No way bro. That's too many people going on too far of a trip. Imagine the stockpile of rations needed in the example to supply troops. These people wouldn't have such luxuries as small, compact and yet complete meals like MRE's. It's not like they're traveling with livestock, which is how nomads can reach long destinations.

If they were traveling a 2-3 day journey, I'd say your description of how they go about doing it and surviving is accurate. But this is just too many people, and the journey is far too great. Someone is supporting them.

 

[i am herdman]

There are tons of illegals who pay taxes of all kinds. Our economy gets billions in tax dollars from illegals.




Entirely . . . well, outside of your billions of course.

Your high school had more than 2/3 of its students coming from low-income households. Statistics show that kids from low-income households tend to graduate college at a much lower rate. Statistics show that those who don't graduate college have far inferior incomes.

My guess is that illegals who have been here as adults for at least ten years don't have the huge disparity in income that the average Williamson High student had ten years after graduating.

and it costs us $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[mlblack16.]

I hate when I can't tell if that is one of the rapists or one of the drug dealers.

They're the ones hiding behind the baby, so that bleeding hearts like you will feel sorry enough to let them in.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Also, williamson high school hasn’t existed in more than a decade.

It closed in June 2011. That is seven years ago. A decade is a ten year period. Is @Bankerreturns your math tutor or are you just fabricating more things again?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williamson_High_School_(West_Virginia)

When I grew up there 20 years ago it was a much different town than it is now thanks to an effective war on its primary industry, which trickled down to every industry in the town.

The 2/3 number was from 7-8 years ago. When did this war start that it had such an immediate impact to have such drastic poverty numbers? Obama was able to pass so much legislation in his first 24 months to impact a town that much that fast?

Ask the board if ANYONE believes any of your claims. Just find one person who believes you.
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Why do you refuse to take this one-by-one? Start with #1. You claimed that I don't have "a single credit in the entire music industry." Do you still stand by that even after what I have presented?

 

[i am herdman]

Whoa, you really are starting to believe that Jesus is a fraud. Way to take a stand against what he said to do.

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. The border belongs the USA. The USA has a right to protect the border. If you want to feed them and clothe them, go ahead and have it. But, that doesn't mean we have to give up our border.

Either we have a country or we do not.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

They're the ones hiding behind the baby, so that bleeding hearts like you will feel sorry enough to let them in.

Ohhh! It's a trojan horse! I understand now! I bet all of those babies are kidnapped or bought from drug addicted mothers. Hell, I bet those babies aren't even real. These poor immigrants were able to pay thousands for lifelike replicas to trick the bleeding heart libs into wanting to help.

 

[i am herdman]

Ohhh! It's a trojan horse! I understand now! I bet all of those babies are kidnapped or bought from drug addicted mothers. Hell, I bet those babies aren't even real. These poor immigrants were able to pay thousands for lifelike replicas to trick the bleeding heart libs into wanting to help.

Are 4,000 babies crawling that far? Impressive. Why don't you feed your neighbor's kids?

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Are 4,000 babies crawling that far? Impressive. Why don't you feed your neighbor's kids?

She's 90-something. She doesn't have children other than the grandchildren (or great) who visit her. I did bring her a case of water when this neighborhood lost electricity though and it was 90+ degrees. Does that count?

 

[big_country90]

Ohhh! It's a trojan horse! I understand now! I bet all of those babies are kidnapped or bought from drug addicted mothers. Hell, I bet those babies aren't even real. These poor immigrants were able to pay thousands for lifelike replicas to trick the bleeding heart libs into wanting to help.

It has been verified on multiple occasions that border crossers are taking children and passing them off as their own when they aren't. So, yeah, it's happening. But you don't really are about the well being of those kids, just like you don't care for unborn children. You only care about gaining more democrat voters.

 

[Bankerreturns]

7 years is a decade like 16 is "nearly half" of 38. Also, it was closed in 2011, so the 2010-11 school year. This is the 2018-19 school year, so the 8th class, not 7th, since closing. That would make 8 years the correct answer.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

It has been verified on multiple occasions that border crossers are taking children and passing them off as their own when they aren't. So, yeah, it's happening. But you don't really are about the well being of those kids,

You only care about gaining more democrat voters.

I can't speak for what Democratic politicians and strategy makers think, but I have never - not a single time - thought about how to get more Democratic voters, especially when it comes to illegals coming over as babies. That's not even a distant thought about doing the right thing.

just like you don't care for unborn children.
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Answer this question honestly.

You're in a medical facility. A raging fire starts. You have a limited time to get out before dying. You only have time to do one of these two things:

1) Grab the four year old boy at one end of the room
2) Grab the small cooler that is labeled with "100 viable human embryos" at the other end of the room

Which one do you choose?

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

7 years is a decade like 16 is "nearly half" of 38.

What are you referring to?

Also, it was closed in 2011, so the 2010-11 school year. This is the 2018-19 school year, so the 8th class, not 7th, since closing. That would make 8 years the correct answer.

Christ, not only is this illogical, but it is changing what was said.

Murox said "decade." A decade is measured in years, not classes. Further, I said "years," not classes." A year is measured in days/weeks/months, not classes.

The correct answer, as I said, is 7 years. If you want to change Murox's comment to "classes" instead of his use of "decade" which pertains to years, then fine, but that doesn't make my comment any less right than what the discussion was.

Stop trying so hard . . . and, remember, avoid numbers as much as you can.

 

[the spectre]

It is possible to feel sorry for these people but also realize they have no rights to enter the US illegally.

 

[Bankerreturns]

So if the choices are your mom and a 4 year old and you choose your mom, I can say that the lives of children aren't really that important to you?