As much as I wanted a change from Doc has anything other than all the initial hoopla and excitement of hiring a new coach made a y difference just yet? I know first year and give him time but are we seeing anything really new?
Doc and Huff
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I think there’s a lot to like with Huff. He has some Doc recruits in some key spots. Let’s give him time
In my opinion if you got down 2 scores with doc you can almost always forget about a comeback.. With Huff I mostly feel like a comeback is possible.
The quarterback is severely hampering our offense. He’s a product of Doc.
There can be lots of improvement all over the field. But this loss is not all on the qb. O line and dline were manhandled. Our best player in the secondary is a move up from fcs. I understand qb gets all the glory and hate. Plenty of blame to go around imo
UAB was simply the better team tonight. All around. Period.
at this point we will be lucky to end up 7-5. 6-6 seems a real possibility. The only thing I have seen thus far that Huff is better at is the guys play till the end it seems. Next 2 weeks will tell me plenty. Huff is our guy s I support him as I did Doc.
I don’t care if Huff becomes a total bust I will never be sad that the BOG made the move to move on from Doc.
Current coach:
Charles Huff.
Take the history to a nostalgia board.
6-4. 5-4 in I-A. Teams we have beaten are 2-7, 5-5 (0-1 in I-A), 4-6 (3-6 in I-A), 4-6 (3-6 in I-A), 1-9 (0-9 in I-A), and 5-5 (4-5 in I-A). We have lost to every team with a pulse.
All of the ho-ha over the last month as we (barely) defeated soul-less, life-less, nothings about "improvement" and "gelling" and "coming together" and "maturing" are just so much ho-ha. We caught a team with a pulse for the first time in five weeks, and we did exactly what we do to every team with a pulse. Lose, and lose badly, in an embarrassing fashion.
Do we have a shot the next two wees? Yep. Neither team is very good either. Just don't delude yourself into thinking what happens shows anything other than the opponent's quality.
Charles Huff.
Take the history to a nostalgia board.
6-4. 5-4 in I-A. Teams we have beaten are 2-7, 5-5 (0-1 in I-A), 4-6 (3-6 in I-A), 4-6 (3-6 in I-A), 1-9 (0-9 in I-A), and 5-5 (4-5 in I-A). We have lost to every team with a pulse.
All of the ho-ha over the last month as we (barely) defeated soul-less, life-less, nothings about "improvement" and "gelling" and "coming together" and "maturing" are just so much ho-ha. We caught a team with a pulse for the first time in five weeks, and we did exactly what we do to every team with a pulse. Lose, and lose badly, in an embarrassing fashion.
Do we have a shot the next two wees? Yep. Neither team is very good either. Just don't delude yourself into thinking what happens shows anything other than the opponent's quality.
the guy is 10 games into his first season… let’s chill
5590 don’t let Sam bother you. He’s the biggest hypocrite we have on this or the other big Marshall board.
He spent the last 5 years telling us we are just lucky to have a team and that CUSA is this great league that really only cares about football.
But fast forward to 2021 after his hero’s contract wasn’t renewed suddenly CUSA sucks and Huff is terrible. It’s all just a big cry baby fest by Sam because his favorite coach wasn’t renewed for a 12th season.
Plenty chilled. Not hysterically calling for firings, Dissing the conference (the conference is solid, some of the teams are bad, those are the ones we beat). Not thinking we are just supposed to win.
Others do that.
Right now, we are 85% of the way to knowing what this year is about. We are most likely to go 8-4, beating no one of significance. 6-6 would indicate some leadership problems, 7-5 less so. We have looked unprepared and unemotional. The QB leads the nation in interceptions. The live gate has collapsed. (IMHO, this is because of what great football fans the people in Huntington are, they know the difference between hype and ignorant conclusions drawn from meaningless wins, and actual improvement and growth).
The best thing for the team to do is, unlike last year, play with some pride down the stretch and get a record that will look good on paper, and enjoy the pre-Christmas bowl game. If they repeat what they did last years, then chilling may not be in order in a fairly short time frame.
Others do that.
Right now, we are 85% of the way to knowing what this year is about. We are most likely to go 8-4, beating no one of significance. 6-6 would indicate some leadership problems, 7-5 less so. We have looked unprepared and unemotional. The QB leads the nation in interceptions. The live gate has collapsed. (IMHO, this is because of what great football fans the people in Huntington are, they know the difference between hype and ignorant conclusions drawn from meaningless wins, and actual improvement and growth).
The best thing for the team to do is, unlike last year, play with some pride down the stretch and get a record that will look good on paper, and enjoy the pre-Christmas bowl game. If they repeat what they did last years, then chilling may not be in order in a fairly short time frame.
Putting personalities aside, this team is no better than last year's or the one before that. Last year's defense was impressive, while this year's is so-so. Really miss Brad Lambert. I agree that Huff needs some time to build his team with his own recruits. But fans will get impatient if we do not see a lot of improvement next year. Huff is a big improvement over Doc in likability and community involvement. Lot of growing pains in becoming a head coach for the first time. Wish him great success here and a great future beyond MU. Also agree that he will need to evaluate critically his staff at the end of the year and perhaps make a change or two.
Agree. Doc allowed a bad situation to fester and it was showing on the fiel.
Doc left the QB cupboard really bare. We are feeling that now. Our starter isn’t a D1 talent, and our backup is worse. Huff is making the best of it this year. You can say we don’t play with emotion all you want; but the defense played well today and the game was there for the taking. Doc did a lot of damage, it’s going to take time to undo that damage.
I don’t think our record would be better or worse with Doc this year, but I know his recruiting had fallen off a cliff and at least Huff will try to be aggressive and is less hard headed. For example, Huff realized the breakneck pace was hurting us and backed of it quickly.
My expectations for next year will be a lot higher next year when Huff has had the opportunity to review 2021 and look to the transfer portal to upgrade areas where we need help based on that review.
My expectations for next year will be a lot higher next year when Huff has had the opportunity to review 2021 and look to the transfer portal to upgrade areas where we need help based on that review.
We don't have the horses. UAB was bigger ans more talented. They had better lines. We have some serious recruiting needs. We need a qb to push Wells . We need receivers.
The past month or so, Cramsey's play calling is just as boring and conservative as it was with Doc. But I guess some of that is out of necessity, trying to limit Well's mistakes. I'd just like to see them throw the ball beyond 20 yards more than 3-4 times a game.
I remember when Sammy claimed Lane Kiffin would do nothing in Conference USA. We know how that ended up. His predictions in this thread will be no different. Sammy is a loser.
The problem for Huff is that he pretty much hasn't had many guys on the field that he brought in. He has a transfer in McCoy who is good and you can point to someone here and there but this is still Doc's guys from last year minus some guys who transfered out or graduated. He hasn't been able to shape it yet.
I would like to see a JUCO (or two) or maybe an impact transfer next year that can give this group the shot in the arm it needs while waiting on his first real group of guys (2022 commits) to develop. He isn't going to get this current group of players over the hump without doing that. Development alone of the current group isn't going to take us to the next level without an injection of talent in some key spots.
Let's hope Huff can reach out to some Alabama players who need to see some playing time elsewhere.
I would like to see a JUCO (or two) or maybe an impact transfer next year that can give this group the shot in the arm it needs while waiting on his first real group of guys (2022 commits) to develop. He isn't going to get this current group of players over the hump without doing that. Development alone of the current group isn't going to take us to the next level without an injection of talent in some key spots.
Let's hope Huff can reach out to some Alabama players who need to see some playing time elsewhere.
...ain' that the truth! We love the low percentage big ball on third and three!
First of all this is not a rebuild. We have enough talent to compete now as well as last year. What we don't have is overwhelming talent.We don't have enough talented Jimmie's and Joe's to crush other teams by sheer talent we need some X's and O's to takes us over the top. Last year we played in the title game. We returned most of our players. Most sports mags had us at the top of the EAST. Transitions are always tough so I will give Coach a pass. Like others before him I will throw my support to him. I guess I am saying that his recruits are not going to overnight make us a better program. So far he is attracting similar players as far a star ratings go. Like he said his job is to close the gap so we can win titles not finish second. Next year will IMO show us if he can do that. If he can't then we just replaced Doc with another younger version. Either way I will still support the Herd.
Most publications had us around 8-4 and top in the East. If we win the next two we will be 8-4 and best in the East.
I think what has tainted this year was letting ECU come back and the disaster at Middle. We really should be 8-2 right now, but clock management cost us one and everybody turning over the ball in the rain cost us the other.
The two “real” losses were to teams that are just a little better than us this year. We played very well against App, but they made plays down the stretch. We really played decently against UAB, I would say good defensively, but we were just outmanned up front.
We didn’t lose a lot of players from last year, but we lost some key ones. McClain Sapp was under appreciated, Neal has failed to make up enough of the Beckett loss and having Madden transfer really caused some issues on the line. Brock Thompson not coming back was also a hit as I believe he would have been our #1 WR.
Willie has had a good year by his standards, but him being an every down WR after not even being able to get in the field much in his previous 4 years is telling. Gammage is decent, but he’s not a #1 and had limited experience. Some of the other guys may develop, but they’re all still raw. Gaines is the only guy catching passes that was a starter last year and as good as Ali is, he’s still a freshman.
I do believe better times are ahead and the team next year will look much better. I believe we beat Charlotte but get beat by WKU in a shootout and finish 2nd in the East. Looks like FAU has given up.
I think what has tainted this year was letting ECU come back and the disaster at Middle. We really should be 8-2 right now, but clock management cost us one and everybody turning over the ball in the rain cost us the other.
The two “real” losses were to teams that are just a little better than us this year. We played very well against App, but they made plays down the stretch. We really played decently against UAB, I would say good defensively, but we were just outmanned up front.
We didn’t lose a lot of players from last year, but we lost some key ones. McClain Sapp was under appreciated, Neal has failed to make up enough of the Beckett loss and having Madden transfer really caused some issues on the line. Brock Thompson not coming back was also a hit as I believe he would have been our #1 WR.
Willie has had a good year by his standards, but him being an every down WR after not even being able to get in the field much in his previous 4 years is telling. Gammage is decent, but he’s not a #1 and had limited experience. Some of the other guys may develop, but they’re all still raw. Gaines is the only guy catching passes that was a starter last year and as good as Ali is, he’s still a freshman.
I do believe better times are ahead and the team next year will look much better. I believe we beat Charlotte but get beat by WKU in a shootout and finish 2nd in the East. Looks like FAU has given up.
I agree. I had us at 9-3 best 8-4 probably. We lost 2 games we should have won. We need to shore up the OL for next year and find a top notch DB in the portel. We will be solid next year. Hopefully Huff can find a way to get us to a title game
LOL cupboard really bare?
Most of the team that was in the top 25 last season is back this season.
Not sure making the CUSA title game is damaging at all.
I guess being in the top 10 for passing in all D1, isn't D1 talent, is it?
It must suck for some to think a coach MU got rid of, and everyone was so happy to have moved on, is suddenly re-emerging in discussions because they can't figure out why the new guy can't win here.
Its not even been a full season and threads like this happen.
Be fair and give him more than 10 games to determine how good he's doing.
A 3000 yard passer after 10 games is not D1 talent? Depth at the position is an issue. QB talent was not the issue when we blew a 17 pt lead against ECU.
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To be fair, the Top 25 ranking was when only 1/2 of the D1 teams were playing football, or just started.
I wonder why Doc was/is never considered for some HC jobs? HMMM?
We play for mediocrity.
BTW, the over-under for the team on the sports books was 8 1/2. Which means we underperformed. And we aren’t going to be 8-4 and aren’t going to win the east.
Shoulda, coulda, woulda.
Reality:
Navy is 2-7. It is the worst of the service academies. It looks to lose out.
NC Central is a I-AA HBCU. It is 5-5 against its similar foes.
ODU is 4-6, 3-6 vs. I-A. It is going nowhere.
UNT is 4-6, 3-6 vs. I-A. It is going nowhere.
FIU is 1-9, 0-9 vs, I-A, and will finish 1-11. It has fired its coach, who said, on his way out, that it had 10 year old uniforms and was buying pads and helmets second hand. It has stopped releasing live gate figures, because NO ONE goes to its games.
FAU is 5-5, 4-5 vs. I-A. It is the best team we have beaten. That fact says a lot about a lot.
That’s it. Every team with a pulse. MEDIOCRE 6-4 ECU; Solid, but unspectacular 8-2 Appy; BAD 5-5 MTSU; and MEDIOCRE 7-3 UAB, which is scheduled to play nationally ranked UTSA this weekend, all did the same thing. Grabbed this team by the throat and took names.
Pretending that we were anything besides dominated by the teams that beat us, which is to say, every team that we have played that has any business playing football at this level, is delusion.
Is an “unreal loss” something like a “moral victory”?
But, OK, lets go with that. So this team has lost to two mediocre G5 teams; and then blown two games to BAD teams we should have beaten, making those losses “unreal”. Losing to teams you should beat comes down to heart, preparation, guff, motivation, and/or coaching.
a 3,000 yard passer who leads the nation in interceptions and is terrible in “crunch” time? Yeah… he could play as one of the FCS+ schools that c-USA will be left with but if we want to hold ourselves to a higher standard here… he’s not the answer.
also you are right about the ECU game. He wasn’t the problem. But he certainly wasn’t the answer. Trying to clock the ball on 4th down… throwing a terrible interception on the last drive to seal it (where have we seen that before?). Again, he’s average and not good enough to win us games when we have to.
I agree that we need to give Huff more time. The reason I said the Cupboard was bare is because we have a QB who leads the nation in interceptions, and most would agree he’s probably the best QB we have on the roster. Our depth at that position is extremely thin, and at the top it’s just not good. It’s average at best.
so, yeah Doc left the QB position in a week spot because of his poor recruiting in the second half of his tenure.
He has not been consistent in crunch time, but he did lead us back against ODU. So he has shown he can lead us back, but not on a consistent basis. Not all the interceptions are on him. He does not have the best set of receivers to work with.
We were in every game and in a position to win except MTSU. You're the loser sammy.
I don't like the interceptions but the guy is only a sophomore. I think he can get those down his junior year. I like Wells. I respect someone who played ball facing WV high school teams and made the big leap to the level of competition he faces now. It's not like he was in Florida getting prepared for college football taking on all star teams each week. I think he has come pretty far in a short period of time. I don't think he redshirted. He still has room to grow.
Well is listed as a RS-Freshman. By the time he's a Junior, I doubt he's still at MU if the 3 qb's coming in match their potential.
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