Doc and Huff

[greengeezer]

We adults should be discussing the problems and how to get it fixed.

I spit my Grape Nuts all over the table when I read this. Since you aren’t the coach, and I doubt you give thousands to the Marshall athletic programs, you aren’t going to fix anything.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

There are 130 teams. 61st is pretty close to 65, which is half of 130. So we are 4 steps above the median.

If that isn’t celebrating mediocrity, I don’t know what is. We Are Average. We Play For Mediocrity.

Made a horrid coaching hire. AAC moderate success does not translate into the True Majors. Won’t be good until they fire Frost and get somebody in there with a plan.

WE ARE… better than a dysfunctional team with an idiot coach that was last good before our players were born.

Lost to Kentucky. Which, fun fact, has a football team. But has every chance of winning out and going to the Birmingham Bowl.

WE ARE ….better than a team coached by Dan Mullen.

Which has, correctly, already fired its idiot coach. Another idiot hire of an AAC moderate success coach, which just doesn’t work.

But, what, exactly has VPI ever done. Our Spamite friends have this envy of VPI, but, really, its just like USPAM. Never actually won a darn thing.

WE ARE…better than an obscure engineering school in the middle of nowhere Appalachia in a state that hates all its citizens who live more than 20 miles from DC.

WE ARE…better than a team that has never won honestly in its existance

You really want to go there. The man is a drunk. He needs prayer and help.

Texas has admitted that the failed Big 2, Little 8 scheme didn’t work. It is going to take a good while to flush out the residue of that and get SEC level players in there.

WE ARE…better than the most dysfunctional major program there is.

Ran off a good coach. Hired, stop me if you have heard this before, a moderate successful AAC coach. It just doesn’t translate. FSU is in REAL TROUBLE. May not be back.

WE ARE…better than another team that was good before our players were born.

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The real point? Even a purely mediocre team (which would be 65th, which we are now 4 slots better than) is always going to have 10 to 15 “blue blood” teams that, in that one year, are having a bad season.

So what?

In 10 years, maybe Alabama and Notre Dame and Oklahoma will be having a bad year and we can still be mediocre at 61st and you can post “well look we are better than Alabama, Notre Dame and Oklahoma and they were good way back in 21”.

I don’t celebrate mediocrity.

But it wasn’t too long ago we expected too much. Now we are fine with being mediocre? Flip and flop much?

 

[ohio herd]

Our starting quarterback. Who has thrown for over 3,000 yards this year. Accounted for 20 touchdowns, thrown 12 int's. And who is 13 and 7 in his career is NOT D1 talent?

Hmm

Gotcha

Aaron I agree, for goodness sake why do people act like Grant is bush-league. He has over 3,000 yards passing. Half of the interceptions are not his fault. I personally think he is the best overall since Cato and is solid.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

Yeah, we were expecting too much when Doc was here. Lol!!!!

I think you kind of were and didn't see what you were getting in reality.

Doc wasn't perfect nor even a particularly good coach at times, but he was good enough to keep Marshall in contention pretty much most years and the program relevant.

Did Snyder keep MU competitive in the 5 years they were in CUSA 2.0? Nope. MU was already out of contention by week 4.
I dare say, that was probably a part of why MU never moved up the first time...lack of being competitive (definition being broad).

Doc didn't have many losing seasons, what, 3 in 10 years?
Doesn't matter what level you're at, thats consistency, does it matter? I think it does matter as most of you who kept saying, "1 title in 11 years!!!"
If titles truly mattered like some of you foolishly believed, only 6 programs should've moved away from CUSA, instead you have all but 3 gone.
UTSA, ODU, and Charlotte have never even been in the title game.

Yes, various reasons exist for this and some are blessed with location, money, a big TV market, and actually winning titles.

Marshall though? Marshall has no major TV market, not much money, "1 title in CUSA maaaan!!", and a good location.

I think a major selling point for MU (besides location) was their ability to be consistently competitive and the Sun Belt wanted that. If MU was really as "mediocre" as everyone said, then someone else would've joined over MU and there were candidates they could have taken.

Doc was good enough to get MU into a position to better itself, and it would've been a gamble to see him go or to fire him so soon after 2014 (see USM, WKU, UAB, and Rice after they won their titles) and remain competitive.

I think that's one major positive of his tenure here and one that'll be ignored because "conference titles."

While I wasn't too happy at how Doc was let go and when, it was time to move on and I'm glad Huff has MU continuing to move in a good direction.

Oh, and the two programs with the most conference team titles, are still stuck in CUSA...one of them has more football titles than we do.
Think it's still "all about winning conference titles"??

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

When all hope is gone, the only emotion that remains is relief.

The progression of delusion starts with the idea that we can be ranked, proceeds to undefeated in conference, then “in control of our own destiny” (which is the stage we are at now), then to “we can still win if this and that the the third happen”, to acceptance.


So only 5-5 (a I-AA: us; and THREE OF THE BOTTOM TEN, 1-9 UConn; 1-9 Southern Miss; 1-9 FIU) MTSU actually blew us out. The rest were “moral victories”. Got it.

You have literally said this before!!!

But hey, switching from one belief to the opposite is a moral victory for you.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

I think you kind of were and didn't see what you were getting in reality.

Doc wasn't perfect nor even a particularly good coach at times, but he was good enough to keep Marshall in contention pretty much most years and the program relevant.

Did Snyder keep MU competitive in the 5 years they were in CUSA 2.0? Nope. MU was already out of contention by week 4.
I dare say, that was probably a part of why MU never moved up the first time...lack of being competitive (definition being broad).

Doc didn't have many losing seasons, what, 3 in 10 years?
Doesn't matter what level you're at, thats consistency, does it matter? I think it does matter as most of you who kept saying, "1 title in 11 years!!!"
If titles truly mattered like some of you foolishly believed, only 6 programs should've moved away from CUSA, instead you have all but 3 gone.
UTSA, ODU, and Charlotte have never even been in the title game.

Yes, various reasons exist for this and some are blessed with location, money, a big TV market, and actually winning titles.

Marshall though? Marshall has no major TV market, not much money, "1 title in CUSA maaaan!!", and a good location.

I think a major selling point for MU (besides location) was their ability to be consistently competitive and the Sun Belt wanted that. If MU was really as "mediocre" as everyone said, then someone else would've joined over MU and there were candidates they could have taken.

Doc was good enough to get MU into a position to better itself, and it would've been a gamble to see him go or to fire him so soon after 2014 (see USM, WKU, UAB, and Rice after they won their titles) and remain competitive.

I think that's one major positive of his tenure here and one that'll be ignored because "conference titles."

While I wasn't too happy at how Doc was let go and when, it was time to move on and I'm glad Huff has MU continuing to move in a good direction.

Oh, and the two programs with the most conference team titles, are still stuck in CUSA...one of them has more football titles than we do.
Think it's still "all about winning conference titles"??

Conference titles is a measuring stick, whether you feel it's valid or not. Any dolt can come here and win 6-7-8 games a year for the most part. It's taking that extra step to separate us as a premier program in the league. Snyder didn't succeed because he played in a more difficult CUSA and played brutal OOC schedules. Granted, Snides wasn't ready to be an HC but good ole KO took the carrot the Gibsons dangled in front of him and made the hire.

My big beef with Doc was - 1. He lost control of the team by all accounts. It seemed to be a yearly deal. 2. He always lost 1-2 games that were a brain fart. One title in 11 years in the worst D1 league in college football is not good enough. If people are happy with that, their standards aren't very high.
I don't think we should win every game and win the league every year, but we need to be more successful than we have been. Will Huff be that guy, obviously the losses to ECU and MT make one wonder. But it is his first year, so he'll get a pass on that.
I'm curious to see how we play at Charlotte. They've had our number for some reason.

 

[The Real SamC]

Any dolt can come here and win 6-7-8 games a year for the most part.

Mark Snyder could not.

Snyder didn't succeed because he played in a more difficult CUSA and played brutal OOC schedules.

Snyder didn’t succeed because he was a very poor football coach.

Granted, Snides wasn't ready to be an HC

“Ready” implies that some day he will be. MS was, is, and always will be a journeyman assistant. He should never be put in charge of a football team ever again.

but good ole KO took the carrot the Gibsons dangled in front of him and made the hire.

KO is Satan’s Vile Servant. Did more damage to this university than any human who ever lived.

But do not pretend that his only crime was hiring this unqualified moron. Nor in how he lied to us all about the IPF and how he ran off BP. MS should have been fired. After each season. And we held on to this loser for FIVE LONG YEARS. When it was apparent he was unqualified after about five minutes.

I don't think we should win every game and win the league every year, but we need to be more successful than we have been. Will Huff be that guy, obviously the losses to ECU and MT make one wonder.

Ya think?

But it is his first year, so he'll get a pass on that.

Get back to me on when exactly being manhandled by #95, a team that has beaten us, a I-AA and 3 of the Bottom 10, all 1-9 currently, no longer gets a “pass”.

I'm curious to see how we play at Charlotte. They've had our number for some reason.

UNCC is another horrid dysfunctional program. Las Vegas makes us spot 14 1/2. Then the talk of “improvement” and such can resume.

Still ya never know. IIRC we were spotting MTSU 21.

 

[sluggo72]

Ftr

But do not pretend that his only crime was hiring this unqualified moron. Nor in how he lied to us all about the IPF and how he ran off BP. MS should have been fired. After each season. And we held on to this loser for FIVE LONG YEARS
Kayo didn’t run off BP. BP did that himself
MS wasn’t Kayo choice. He was Verna Gibson choice.

 

[muthed]

There are 130 teams. 61st is pretty close to 65, which is half of 130. So we are 4 steps above the median.

If that isn’t celebrating mediocrity, I don’t know what is. We Are Average. We Play For Mediocrity.

Made a horrid coaching hire. AAC moderate success does not translate into the True Majors. Won’t be good until they fire Frost and get somebody in there with a plan.

WE ARE… better than a dysfunctional team with an idiot coach that was last good before our players were born.

Lost to Kentucky. Which, fun fact, has a football team. But has every chance of winning out and going to the Birmingham Bowl.

WE ARE ….better than a team coached by Dan Mullen.

Which has, correctly, already fired its idiot coach. Another idiot hire of an AAC moderate success coach, which just doesn’t work.

But, what, exactly has VPI ever done. Our Spamite friends have this envy of VPI, but, really, its just like USPAM. Never actually won a darn thing.

WE ARE…better than an obscure engineering school in the middle of nowhere Appalachia in a state that hates all its citizens who live more than 20 miles from DC.

WE ARE…better than a team that has never won honestly in its existance

You really want to go there. The man is a drunk. He needs prayer and help.

Texas has admitted that the failed Big 2, Little 8 scheme didn’t work. It is going to take a good while to flush out the residue of that and get SEC level players in there.

WE ARE…better than the most dysfunctional major program there is.

Ran off a good coach. Hired, stop me if you have heard this before, a moderate successful AAC coach. It just doesn’t translate. FSU is in REAL TROUBLE. May not be back.

WE ARE…better than another team that was good before our players were born.

—

The real point? Even a purely mediocre team (which would be 65th, which we are now 4 slots better than) is always going to have 10 to 15 “blue blood” teams that, in that one year, are having a bad season.

So what?

In 10 years, maybe Alabama and Notre Dame and Oklahoma will be having a bad year and we can still be mediocre at 61st and you can post “well look we are better than Alabama, Notre Dame and Oklahoma and they were good way back in 21”.

I don’t celebrate mediocrity.

You celebrated mediocrity when you were in Doc's hip pocket.

 

[MUMAN3419]

I thought we would end this year at 7-5. Not even close to the same team as last year. Our defense lost 3 of its best players and it shows. Our O-line lost 2 pro prospects, one in nfl now and the other an AA that will be in the nfl. Add that and Our last 3 years of recruiting and you have a mediocre team. Im hoping Huff is the guy, but no way to judge that until year 4-5 imo.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

You celebrated mediocrity when you were in Doc's hip pocket.

Yes, we demanded too much. Now we celebrate mediocrity - according to Sam. My how the tune changes when your(Sams) buddy gets canned. Doc averaged 7 wins a year. Was 5-7, 6-6, 5-7 his first three regular seasons.

 

[19MU88]

Mark Snyder could not.

Snyder didn’t succeed because he was a very poor football coach.

“Ready” implies that some day he will be. MS was, is, and always will be a journeyman assistant. He should never be put in charge of a football team ever again.

Mark Snyder could have if he coached against the post 2012 schedules like the dolt you supported did.

 

[redsfan5590]

I don’t celebrate mediocrity.

Then you of all people should be ecstatic that we didn’t renew Doc’s contract.

 

[redsfan5590]

Our starting quarterback. Who has thrown for over 3,000 yards this year. Accounted for 20 touchdowns, thrown 12 int's. And who is 13 and 7 in his career is NOT D1 talent?

Hmm

Gotcha

Maybe I should’ve said he isn’t a “good” D1 QB. And he’s not.