fyi Charles Huff..

[sluggo72]

Charles Huff has been superb this season at Marshall, has the Herd atop the Sun Belt Conference Eastern Division standings and should be undefeated in league play if not for a late letdown against Georgia Southern. The Herd have won six of their last seven and control their destiny to play for the Sun Belt Conference crown.

from Football Scoop.com

 

[Rock98Dog]

I’m just going to point out something, take it however you want.

There are currently 7 teams over .500 and 7 teams that are .500 or worse in the conference. We are 0-1 against the first group and 5-0 against the second group.

We missed the best 4 teams in the west and have so far only played one of the other 3 top teams in the east.

If we lose the next 2 we will be 0-3 against teams with a winning conference record and 5-0 against the bad teams. That means we are the most average team in the conference.

If we beat ODU and lose to JMU it means we are the 5th or 6th best team this year.

To me, being between the 5th and 8th best team in a 14 team conference isn’t close to acceptable. If we don’t win the next two it will be another blah, useless, wasted season.

 

[whf2]

I don't know if you gent's watch SBC football continuously like I do, but Marshall has one of the very top "grid it out" teams in the conference, not (however) among the top big play teams. When we contain the big plays, we win with our grind it out capabilities. ODU and JMU are both proud of some big play games this year, but candidly, neither have played anyone in the conference with the closing speed of our DBs and Safeties. Now, their both also good JAC teams, which is a downfall of ours. Both away is a problem, I'm not a betting person, but if I were, and we were at home, I'd take the Herd in both games. So I'm saying its 60/40 for us on both their fields.

 

[bris1112]

saw this today and thought it was interesting.

What is stop rate? It's a basic measurement of success: the percentage of a defense's drives that end in punts, turnovers or a turnover on downs. Defensive coordinators have the same goal regardless of their scheme, opponent or conference: prevent points and get off the field. Stop rate is a simple metric but can offer a good reflection of a defense's effectiveness on a per-drive basis in today's faster-tempo game.

Last year, national champ Michigan finished No. 1 with a stop rate of 81.6% in its games against FBS opponents. The top 25 teams in the final 2023 stop rate standings won a total of 249 games, with seven earning conference titles. Great teams find a way to get stops in critical situations.

Team	Games	Stop Rate	Pts/Drive
1. Notre Dame	10	81.7%	0.95
2. Ohio State	10	81.7%	0.86
3. Army	8	80.6%	1.18
4. Texas	10	79.7%	0.94
5. Tennessee	9	77.8%	1.19
6. James Madison	9	76.1%	1.40
7. Ole Miss	9	75.2%	1.18
8. Indiana	9	74.5%	1.38
9. Alabama	9	74.3%	1.33
10. Sam Houston	10	74.2%	1.51
11. Oregon	10	72.8%	1.38
12. Iowa State	9	72.3%	1.58
13. Miami (OH)	10	71.4%	1.53
13. Penn State	10	71.4%	1.28
15. South Carolina	10	71.3%	1.52
16. Colorado	9	71.2%	1.64
17. Tulane	10	71.1%	1.49
18. Oklahoma	9	70.8%	1.50
19. Northern Illinois	9	70.6%	1.46
20. Utah	9	70.4%	1.57
21. Virginia Tech	10	70.4%	1.77
22. Iowa	9	70%	1.53
23. UConn	9	69.5%	1.49
24. SMU	9	69.4%	1.82
25. Clemson	10	69.1%	1.74
26. Wisconsin	9	69.1%	1.75
27. Duke	9	68.9%	1.65
28. Louisiana Tech	9	68.9%	1.68
29. Nebraska	9	68.8%	1.86
30. Ohio	9	68.6%	1.69
30. California	9	68.6%	1.81
32. Auburn	9	68%	1.71
33. Navy	9	68%	1.94
33. Texas State	9	68%	1.60
35. Houston	10	67.8%	1.83
36. Western Kentucky	9	67.7%	1.96
37. Toledo	9	67.5%	1.63
38. Colorado State	9	67.3%	1.95
39. Texas A&M	9	67%	1.72
40. Minnesota	9	66.7%	1.72
40. Kansas State	9	66.7%	1.95
40. Missouri	9	66.7%	1.89
43. UNLV	9	66.4%	1.95
44. Rice	9	66.3%	1.86
45. BYU	9	66%	1.75
46. Kentucky	9	65.9%	1.82
47. Boise State	9	65.7%	2.07
48. Pittsburgh	9	65.5%	1.97
49. Florida International	9	65.4%	1.92
49. Marshall	9	65.4%	1.9

 

[Rock98Dog]

Stop rate is an indicator that declines rapidly in predictability when you start getting under 70%. It’s fairly obvious from your table, only 22 teams at 70% or better, then 27 teams between 69.9 and 65.4%. Those 27 teams are a mix of good, average, and bad teams.

The average team has 11-12 possessions a game. I think that looking at defensive points allowed isn’t really different from stop rate. Both tell you who has the most effective defenses where it matters most.

 

[riflearm2]

I think that looking at defensive points allowed isn’t really different from stop rate. Both tell you who has the most effective defenses where it matters most.

They are both, not entirely but significantly, junk stats.

Let's say Team A has a really good offense. Their offense scores a lot or drives long enough to flip the field and give the opposing offense bad field position a lot of the time.

Team B has a putrid offense. They turn the ball over (putting their defense in short-field situations), don't put together drives/gain yards which means the opposing offense routinely gets great field position.

Team A's defense could start a drive at the opposing 10 yard line, allow a 70 yard drive, and only give up a field goal.
Team B's defense could start a drive at midfield, allow a 20 yard drive, and only give up a field goal.

Yet based on the stats you are championing (defensive points allowed and stop rate), both defenses would be tied even though one is far superior than the other.

At Footballoutsiders.com, we had a very good stat that looked at yards given up vs. remaining yards possibly gained at the start of a drive. I saw "we," because I discovered a logical error with one of their stats more than a decade ago. They partially agreed and spun that to a new stat, found out I was a coach, and frequently used me for consulting and testing. Unfortunately, after selling the site, the new owners went bankrupt, and it is gone. It was, by far, the best football site out there made by a bunch of Brown University alums.

Back to the example: In other words, Team A would allow 70 yards. Team B would allow 20 yards. Both would get stops and be given the same score using your stats, yet one defense was far better than the other.

Team A would have allowed 70 yards out of a possible 90 yards while Team B would have allowed 20 yards out of a possible 50 yards. Team B was far better.

End of half drives/junk drives would be excluded.

 

[bris1112]

I'm not really making a point about MU's defense or championing any stats.
I just thought it was interesting.

In a game like App St - they have 11 drives and 5 TDs / FG not a great stop rate
vs a Ga Southern game where they had 13 drives 3 TDs / FG

 

[Rock98Dog]

The top twenty scoring defenses are a combined 166-44 so far this season, so I wouldn’t consider it a junk stat. In that group, only Auburn, at #20 and 4-6, has a losing record.

 

[caliherd]

I’m just going to point out something, take it however you want.

There are currently 7 teams over .500 and 7 teams that are .500 or worse in the conference. We are 0-1 against the first group and 5-0 against the second group.

We missed the best 4 teams in the west and have so far only played one of the other 3 top teams in the east.

If we lose the next 2 we will be 0-3 against teams with a winning conference record and 5-0 against the bad teams. That means we are the most average team in the conference.

If we beat ODU and lose to JMU it means we are the 5th or 6th best team this year.

To me, being between the 5th and 8th best team in a 14 team conference isn’t close to acceptable. If we don’t win the next two it will be another blah, useless, wasted season.

Always moving the goal posts on coach huff. Look at the pre season predictions on here by all you Nick Saban wannabes. Losses to Appy coastal etc. etc. We are a colossal collapse by Marshall from having our only 2 losses being against Va tech a game we were in the whole game, and Ohio state who has a good chance at winning the national championship.

Very few of our resident Saban had Marshall with one loss and a great chance at winning the division with 2 games left. Now it’s well we haven’t beaten anybody in our conference that’s good but ODU and JMU are? Who decided JMU and ODU were world beaters? The same JMU team that put 70 on unc put 13 on Gardner Webb. Also they lost to ULM, a team we beat. I think huff has had a lot to prove this year but sans the Ga Southern game he’s done well.

I’ll admit it I wasn’t thinking we were going to do much this year. After Ga Southern I thought he may be regressing. But he completely righted the ship. Is he a great coach?, no not yet, but he’s definitely getting better. If he wins the next 2 I think he will have done a remarkable job this year dealing with the roster turn over etc. But something tells me even if he wins the next 2 many of you still wont give him any credit and you will move the goal posts further to try and discredit him.

I don’t know why I’m surprised we have people in the soccer thread criticizing Coach Grassie as he prepares Marshall soccer for yet another NCAA tournament appearance. I mean the guy has only kept us ranked in the top 10 for years, won a national championship, Im sure guys that coached their 12 year old daughters travel team know more than him.

But buck up haters maybe Huff will win the next 2 and the championship game and a bowl and some p5 will come and take him off your plate. So you can find a new coach to hate.

 

[Rock98Dog]

Our schedule has worked out to be very weak because App and Coastal have both had bad seasons. Sagarin currently has us with the 2nd weakest SOS in the conference and that’s with Ohio State and VT.

I’m not saying we aren’t, or can’t have a good season. I’m just saying we haven’t proven anything yet.

My pre-season prediction was 6-6. I figured we would lose to OSU and VT and be 2-2 non-conference. I guessed we would lose 4 of our 6 east games. Holding serve at 3-0 in our division home games puts in a position where we are currently one game above where I thought we would be, but I didn’t figure App and Coastal would be sub .500 teams this year.

So yeah, if we finish 7-5 then I chalk that up more to two traditionally good opponents being down rather than Huff being a miracle worker. If we go 9-3 then he had a really strong performance.

 

[Aaron Perkins]

Our schedule has worked out to be very weak because App and Coastal have both had bad seasons. Sagarin currently has us with the 2nd weakest SOS in the conference and that’s with Ohio State and VT.

I’m not saying we aren’t, or can’t have a good season. I’m just saying we haven’t proven anything yet.

My pre-season prediction was 6-6. I figured we would lose to OSU and VT and be 2-2 non-conference. I guessed we would lose 4 of our 6 east games. Holding serve at 3-0 in our division home games puts in a position where we are currently one game above where I thought we would be, but I didn’t figure App and Coastal would be sub .500 teams this year.

So yeah, if we finish 7-5 then I chalk that up more to two traditionally good opponents being down rather than Huff being a miracle worker. If we go 9-3 then he had a really strong performance.

Wins can’t be wins can they. Nope. Now those are even conditional.

We may very well finish 7-5. Who knows. But the fact remains we have a coach that has us on solid ground and if he so chooses, we should be grateful to have him back next year.

 

[riflearm2]

The top twenty scoring defenses are a combined 166-44 so far this season, so I wouldn’t consider it a junk stat. In that group, only Auburn, at #20 and 4-6, has a losing record.

But the question isn’t about if a team is good. The question is about comparing defenses. And points allowed is not a good stat to identify that.

If a defense doesn’t give up many points, there is a good chance the team has a good record. But a lot of that defense’s success in not allowing points is determined also by the offense: if the offense doesn’t turn the ball over in their own zone, if the offense has sustained drives and/or flips the field.

 

[W-S HerdFan]

The one thing imo that Huff is well above average & has proven out again this season is his ability to bring in talent. He seems to be able to navigate the portal & NIL very efficiently. Don’t know how things play out at season’s end, but there are many x’s & o’s HC’s struggling in this new space….

 

[The Real SamC]

Always moving the goal posts on coach huff.

No, the goal post remains right where it has always been.

We play for championships.

CH has parlayed an ultra weak schedule, beating a I-AA, a 5-6 WMU, a 4-5 Appy (a certain loss to Liberty was Hurricaned out), a 2-8 Georgia State, a 5-5 ULM, a 1-9 USM, and a 5-5 Coastal. Now he gets a similarly mediocre 4-6 ODU, and closes out with 8-2 JMU.

7-5, most probably. Maybe 8-4. No wins over winning teams. I said 6-6 before they year, and look to have been off by one game. OK. Fine, celebrate mediocrity. It is nothing to brag about, and no P4 team has a flight to HTS booked to take a look.

We are.....stuck with this guy.

 

[raleighherdfan]

No, the goal post remains right where it has always been.

We play for championships.

CH has parlayed an ultra weak schedule, beating a I-AA, a 5-6 WMU, a 4-5 Appy (a certain loss to Liberty was Hurricaned out), a 2-8 Georgia State, a 5-5 ULM, a 1-9 USM, and a 5-5 Coastal. Now he gets a similarly mediocre 4-6 ODU, and closes out with 8-2 JMU.

7-5, most probably. Maybe 8-4. No wins over winning teams. I said 6-6 before they year, and look to have been off by one game. OK. Fine, celebrate mediocrity. It is nothing to brag about, and no P4 team has a flight to HTS booked to take a look.

We are.....stuck with this guy.

So we've beat teams we should beat. Thanks Sammy, for your profound insight. We've known you haven't been a fan of Marshall for a long time.

 

[HerdGradinFL]

The one thing imo that Huff is well above average & has proven out again this season is his ability to bring in talent. He seems to be able to navigate the portal & NIL very efficiently. Don’t know how things play out at season’s end, but there are many x’s & o’s HC’s struggling in this new space….

He has brought in several good players through the portal with Mike Green from UVA being his best portal player. I had hoped he would get a great QB, but he didn't the NIL money for a very good QB. Overall he has recruited well and clean up the mess Doc left.

 

[muthed]

Huff didn't make the schedule. He's played the teams put in front of him. Not doing too bad. We just need 2 more wins but jmu is a ???

 

[caliherd]

No, the goal post remains right where it has always been.

We play for championships.

CH has parlayed an ultra weak schedule, beating a I-AA, a 5-6 WMU, a 4-5 Appy (a certain loss to Liberty was Hurricaned out), a 2-8 Georgia State, a 5-5 ULM, a 1-9 USM, and a 5-5 Coastal. Now he gets a similarly mediocre 4-6 ODU, and closes out with 8-2 JMU.

7-5, most probably. Maybe 8-4. No wins over winning teams. I said 6-6 before they year, and look to have been off by one game. OK. Fine, celebrate mediocrity. It is nothing to brag about, and no P4 team has a flight to HTS booked to take a look.

We are.....stuck with this guy.

I have seen hypocrites and flat out liars on this board but you take the cake. You are literally the biggest hypocrite on this board and the sad thing about it is you will never admit it. You don’t give a crap about huff or spears you are upset because they were the people that replaced your favorite ad and football coach. It’s the reason you didn’t like D’antoni. It wasn’t his coaching it was the fact he couldn’t stomach Mike Hamrick. You are so transparent it’s ridiculous.

Doc holiday made his career at Marshall by playing schedules in the 100s and playing in the worst non Power conference in the country by far. Even with that he still couldn’t win a championship. He had a whopping 1 in his 11 year mediocre career. But good old hypocrite Sammy would come on here week after week saying how great doc was and those other schools have scholarships players too. Why are we supposed to win just because we are Marshall. You sound like WVU fans der der der. You argued for holidays mediocrity like it was a badge of honor. But suddenly new coach and new conference that is significantly tougher and suddenly our schedule sucks and we only beat bad teams and we settle for mediocrity. Guess what Mr play for championship hypocrite we are currently in first place and if we win out we win the division and go to the championship game.

I honestly wish you would quit posting because it’s tough to know you allegedly support a team I love.

 

[Rock98Dog]

To be fair, Doc averaged a championship game appearance every 3.3 seasons. Huff doesn’t have an average because you can’t divide by zero.

 

[HerdGradinFL]

To be fair, Doc averaged a championship game appearance every 3.3 seasons. Huff doesn’t have an average because you can’t divide by zero.

Right now that is an apple to oranges position. Doc coached against the worst G5 league while Huff coaches in the best G5 league. I hate to think of Doc coaching in the SBC, he wouldn't win even if he could keep his players out of jail. Doc was let go, in part, due to all the problems he had with his roster.

 

[The Real SamC]

Ahhhh, just in time. The last refuge of those who have no point. Name call (do you actually even know what "hypocrite" means?) and then roll out "But Doc...."

Doc is gone. The Doc era is over. It is part of history. We are talking about Charles Huff. 7-6, 9-4, 6-7, 7-3 so far, probably 7-5.

The epitome of mediocrity and the hero of those who celebrate mediocrity.

 

[caliherd]

Shut up hypocrite until you admit the fact that you hold Charles huff to a completely different standard your opinion which already sucked is even more worthless. This is huffs 4th year he had a better record than your bff through 3 years and he has beat Notre Dame and Va tech which is way more than doc had in his first 3 years.

Now we are in year 4 and with 2 very winnable games huff can win his division and his only 3 losses will be to 2 P5s one of which will probably win the whole thing and a bad loss to ga southern because of the collapse But keep going with your bs we play for championships mantra that you never held your bff too when we played in a much easier conference and there were years that we didn’t even play a P4 school even during his best year.

By the way when Marshall beats ODU and JMU I expect your hypocritical butt to say nothing or you will come in here with another moving of the goal posts to try and continue to discredit huff and anything he’s accomplished.

 

[The Real SamC]

Shut up hypocrite until you admit the fact that you hold Charles huff to a completely different standard your opinion which already sucked is even more worthless.

Same standard. Play for championships. Thus far......

This is huffs 4th year he had a better record than your bff through 3 years and he has beat Notre Dame and Va tech which is way more than doc had in his first 3 years.

Doc is gone. We are discussing Charles Huff and his mediocre performance.

Now we are in year 4 and with 2 very winnable games huff can win his division

If A beats B and B beats C and we win out......

Heard it all before.

and his only 3 losses will be to 2 P5s one of which will probably win the whole thing

And one of which is 5-5, and the "whole thing" will be won, as almost always, by a member of the Greatest Conference, the Southeastern Conference.

and a bad loss to ga southern because of the collapse

Mediocrity celebrated.

This is why the stands are empty and the enthusiasm is gone. Marshall fans cannot be fooled. The fans know what a good team is, and what a mediocre team with a record built on a lucky draw is. Sorry you don't.

But keep going with your bs we play for championships

Give me a ring when that happens.

mantra that you never held your bff

Doc is gone. We are discussing Charles Huff. This is just like politics, the new guy is a new guy. How bad the previous guy was or wasn't is irrelevant. It is just like buying a new car. The fact that your old car needed 5 warranty repairs doesn't matter when your new one does as well.

too when we played in a much easier conference and there were years that we didn’t even play a P4 school even during his best year.

By the way when Marshall beats ODU and JMU I expect your hypocritical butt to say nothing or you will come in here with another moving of the goal posts to try and continue to discredit huff and anything he’s accomplished.

Call me when that happens.

 

[Herdguy04]

Our schedule has worked out to be very weak because App and Coastal have both had bad seasons. Sagarin currently has us with the 2nd weakest SOS in the conference and that’s with Ohio State and VT.

I’m not saying we aren’t, or can’t have a good season. I’m just saying we haven’t proven anything yet.

My pre-season prediction was 6-6. I figured we would lose to OSU and VT and be 2-2 non-conference. I guessed we would lose 4 of our 6 east games. Holding serve at 3-0 in our division home games puts in a position where we are currently one game above where I thought we would be, but I didn’t figure App and Coastal would be sub .500 teams this year.

So yeah, if we finish 7-5 then I chalk that up more to two traditionally good opponents being down rather than Huff being a miracle worker. If we go 9-3 then he had a really strong performance.

This is the same idiocy y'all spewed when MU was in CUSA.

MU left CUSA for the premiere, competitive, and far superior Sun Belt...

...aaand the same argument marches on, MU isn't good, it's because everyone else around us is bad.

To me, it sounds like you're just so desperate to be right.

Who gives a damn if JMU and App State are bad?
It's not MU's problem.
MU beats them...as they should and moves on.

Face it, Huff has MU in a good position to win, and you have such a frail ego you can't admit you were wrong in the pre-season.

 

[Herdguy04]

Same standard. Play for championships. Thus far......

Doc is gone. We are discussing Charles Huff and his mediocre performance.

If A beats B and B beats C and we win out......

Heard it all before.

And one of which is 5-5, and the "whole thing" will be won, as almost always, by a member of the Greatest Conference, the Southeastern Conference.

Mediocrity celebrated.

This is why the stands are empty and the enthusiasm is gone. Marshall fans cannot be fooled. The fans know what a good team is, and what a mediocre team with a record built on a lucky draw is. Sorry you don't.

Give me a ring when that happens.

Doc is gone. We are discussing Charles Huff. This is just like politics, the new guy is a new guy. How bad the previous guy was or wasn't is irrelevant. It is just like buying a new car. The fact that your old car needed 5 warranty repairs doesn't matter when your new one does as well.

Call me when that happens.

You, of all people, are the least qualified to contribute to the discussion.

 

[caliherd]

Sorry Sam we won! 8-3. Win next week and we win the East I know this wasn’t what you hoped for but there’s always New Mexico State!

 

[Rock98Dog]

This is the same idiocy y'all spewed when MU was in CUSA.

MU left CUSA for the premiere, competitive, and far superior Sun Belt...

...aaand the same argument marches on, MU isn't good, it's because everyone else around us is bad.

To me, it sounds like you're just so desperate to be right.

Who gives a damn if JMU and App State are bad?
It's not MU's problem.
MU beats them...as they should and moves on.

Face it, Huff has MU in a good position to win, and you have such a frail ego you can't admit you were wrong in the pre-season.

First, I never said JMU was down this year. I said App and Coastal were.

We play in the best G5, yes, and excluding Marshall the best teams are Louisiana, JMU, Texas State, South Alabama, and Ga So. So we have missed all the top teams so far except Ga So, the game we lost. Our best in conference is our newest over ODU. They are ranked 7th in the conference.

Because of this, despite playing in the toughest G5 conference and playing Ohio State and VT, our SOS is still over 100, very similar to the Doc CUSA days.

This year is very much like 2015 when we won 10 games, but the schedule was so weak who knows if we were good or not.

If we beat JMU on the road, that’s a good win. If that happens we will likely go play Louisiana at their place. That would be a good win.

 

[Aaron Perkins]

First, I never said JMU was down this year. I said App and Coastal were.

We play in the best G5, yes, and excluding Marshall the best teams are Louisiana, JMU, Texas State, South Alabama, and Ga So. So we have missed all the top teams so far except Ga So, the game we lost. Our best in conference is our newest over ODU. They are ranked 7th in the conference.

Because of this, despite playing in the toughest G5 conference and playing Ohio State and VT, our SOS is still over 100, very similar to the Doc CUSA days.

This year is very much like 2015 when we won 10 games, but the schedule was so weak who knows if we were good or not.

If we beat JMU on the road, that’s a good win. If that happens we will likely go play Louisiana at their place. That would be a good win.

According to ESPN our SOS is 63.

This is the way we are. Our schedules have been comparable since 1997. We play teams that finish with average records due to playing comparable teams in conference and losing a couple money games in OOC

Honestly reading this list sounds Like a conversation with a wv back in the 90’s. Difference is for some reason back then Marshall fans defended our wins. Now you all don’t.

Strange. Glad I am not one of you

 

[greengeezer]

This isn’t the best Marshall team that has ever taken the field, but you have to admit the games aren’t dull. It is anybody’s game until the last minute or two.

 

[riflearm2]

We play in the best G5, yes, and excluding Marshall the best teams are Louisiana, JMU, Texas State, South Alabama, and Ga So. So we have missed all the top teams so far except Ga So, the game we lost. Our best in conference is our newest over ODU. They are ranked 7th in the conference.

Strange and intellectually dishonest that you want to use Sagarin’s numbers when it works in favor of your argument but don’t want to use its numbers when it doesn’t support your argument.

 

[The Real SamC]

According to ESPN our SOS is 63.

Umm, OK? And?????

Honestly reading this list sounds Like a conversation with a wv back in the 90’s. Difference is for some reason back then Marshall fans defended our wins. Now you all don’t.

Back then, the wins were defensible.

As I have said before, a, perhaps the, major difference between MU and USPAM fans (leaving out the fact that most MU fans actually went to college) is WE UNDERSTAND football. Spamites don't. Following USPAM requires one to either be so stupid that you actually believe the garbage succession of leagues USPAM has and is in, are really the same as the SEC, B10, or ACC or just be willing to suspend disbelief and pretend that it is, like most people do with wrestling. When, of course, the B12 is really just some hard to define thing, not quite in the Group, but certainly no really in the Power either. Same for the previous B12 version, the Leastleftovers, the Big Least, and the Lambert Least.

MU fans are not like that. We know, and have always known, what level we are. And we know this years team is way worse than a record which contains no wins over winning teams.

 

[Aaron Perkins]

Umm, OK? And?????

Back then, the wins were defensible.

As I have said before, a, perhaps the, major difference between MU and USPAM fans (leaving out the fact that most MU fans actually went to college) is WE UNDERSTAND

First off. My response about the SOS wasn’t to you. And it was in reply to someone that said it was in the 100’s

As for your second comment. I got nothin. You make up your own rules as you go.

We have 8 wins which is more than you ever imagined. We are winning games in many different ways. Offense, defense snd special teams.

All led by a coach. A coach that also out the roster and staff together to get us to this point.

Nothing makes you happy. You are doing this just for spite. Congrats

 

[ThunderCat98]

Look. I'm not a Huff fan. I think he's been painfully slow adjusting to being a head coach. That being said, barring an absolute cluster next week at JMU, we have to at least be talking with him about an extension. We're in first place in our division going into the last week of the season. That has to count for something.

Is Huff a "finished product" when it comes to being a head coach? No. But in this portal era of college sports, he has shown he can reload a mid-major program with limited NIL funds with good, competitive players and - frankly - that's about the best we can hope for given our location, standing, and money.

I think he's brought in some decent coaches as well. I like Doege and think he's a promising hire. Now the DC? That dude has to go. Like yesterday.

 

[cincyherdfan]

There it is….Sam must be from WVU because he continues to show he doesn’t understand football, doesn’t understand Marshall athletics and is just generally ticked off because the Aggies are sitting at 3-8.

 

[Chris McLaughlin]

Look. I'm not a Huff fan. I think he's been painfully slow adjusting to being a head coach. That being said, barring an absolute cluster next week at JMU, we have to at least be talking with him about an extension. We're in first place in our division going into the last week of the season. That has to count for something.

Is Huff a "finished product" when it comes to being a head coach? No. But in this portal era of college sports, he has shown he can reload a mid-major program with limited NIL funds with good, competitive players and - frankly - that's about the best we can hope for given our location, standing, and money.

I think he's brought in some decent coaches as well. I like Doege and think he's a promising hire. Now the DC? That dude has to go. Like yesterday.

Doege has been very good this year. Believe we're number one in the SBC in rushing yards/game and 5th in points/game.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him running a program soon or at the very least getting a P4 OC job. Probably needs one more good year under his belt and he will start to get some looks.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

To be fair, Doc averaged a championship game appearance every 3.3 seasons. Huff doesn’t have an average because you can’t divide by zero.

He also averaged 7 wins a season and had kids in trouble multiple times every year.
He did get us back to consistency and our only league title. But after 2016, Hammy should have cut him loose. Jmo

 

[bris1112]

"But in this portal era of college sports, he has shown he can reload a mid-major program with limited NIL funds with good, competitive players and - frankly - that's about the best we can hope for given our location, standing, and money."

This. Give the guy his extension... if he'll take it.

 

[MUMAN3419]

"But in this portal era of college sports, he has shown he can reload a mid-major program with limited NIL funds with good, competitive players and - frankly - that's about the best we can hope for given our location, standing, and money."

This. Give the guy his extension... if he'll take it.

Yup. Huff isn’t perfect as a head coach. But the players love him and he is a really good recruiter. He has really grown as a coach and I hate to lose him after all the growing pains. Lol

 

[The Real SamC]

We have 8 wins which is more than you ever imagined. We are winning games in many different ways. Offense, defense snd special teams.

Yeah, I said 6-6. Looks like 8-4, 8-5 counting the bowl loss. You said, I believe 11-1, which is progress towards maturity for you, as you actually admitted that OSU had a chance to beat us. OK. I was off by two wins. Appy and Coastal are not what they have been recently (and, as well-run programs, they will demand better and get right in short order). I missed just how weak the opposition turned out to be. Off by two games.

The difference is you will celebrate 8-5. You celebrate mediocrity.

 

[MUMAN3419]

Yeah, I said 6-6. Looks like 8-4, 8-5 counting the bowl loss. You said, I believe 11-1, which is progress towards maturity for you, as you actually admitted that OSU had a chance to beat us. OK. I was off by two wins. Appy and Coastal are not what they have been recently (and, as well-run programs, they will demand better and get right in short order). I missed just how weak the opposition turned out to be. Off by two games.

The difference is you will celebrate 8-5. You celebrate mediocrity.

To be fair. Mediocrity is low performance or average. Being average is 50%. This is not a mediocre team and you are wrong.