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Isiah green rumor

This board seems to run the same way the athletic department does....no transparency. I don’t know why some feel the need to keep secrets. This is not original content. This is public knowledge about the team we all have a vested interest in.

Allegedly IG got into a verbal altercation with Cramsey. Allegedly IG used some offensive language. Allegedly they had to be separated and IG tried to take a swing. Allegedly Doc intervened and told IG to leave the facility. Allegedly IG made threats of violence as he was being escorted from the facility.
 
Now confirmed by Keith Morehouse that Greene has entered the transfer portal. Hope he goes to WVU and screws then up!

FCS material... He could be a nice player at a place like Furman, Western Carolina, VMI, etc.

Allegedly IG got into a verbal altercation with Cramsey. Allegedly IG used some offensive language. Allegedly they had to be separated and IG tried to take a swing. Allegedly Doc intervened and told IG to leave the facility. Allegedly IG made threats of violence as he was being escorted from the facility.

Excellent use of "allegedly" counselor.
 
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This board seems to run the same way the athletic department does....no transparency. I don’t know why some feel the need to keep secrets. This is not original content. This is public knowledge about the team we all have a vested interest in.

Allegedly IG got into a verbal altercation with Cramsey. Allegedly IG used some offensive language. Allegedly they had to be separated and IG tried to take a swing. Allegedly Doc intervened and told IG to leave the facility. Allegedly IG made threats of violence as he was being escorted from the facility.
This is the same story I got - except the "threats of violence" involved a gun....
 
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But I can understand Litton. He had major character red flags before ever coming to Marshall. Hell, it's why other schools dropped him after his high school arrest.

Litton had ability and was a good quarterback. As a result, it puts a staff in the same predicament that many other staffs have: is his talent/success on the field worth the problems his off-field character/behavior could bring?

But that's not the case with Green - he was an average QB even after three years in the program. His character and leadership flaws were evident by then, and they were repeatedly mentioned by Coach Stowers on here. So knowing that he didn't have the ability/character to lead a team and was average on the field, then what was the hold-up to sit him or make a move? Is the ability to recruit/develop a QB so tough for this staff that they are stuck allowing a bad apple and average QB lead the team for three years?
 
How does a staff have a quarterback on the roster for three years and still think he is fit to be the leader of the program that long, but yet the kid can pull off something like this? How do you not know your team well enough to realize this kid isn't somebody who should be leading the team even after being around him for three years?

I could see if the kid was a first team all conference performer making the decision of getting rid of him or benching him tough, but that's not the case with Green, and that makes the situation even more dumbfounding.

How a head coach isn't able to make that determination is shocking, but just as much, how does a position coach who is also a coordinator not recognize that the leader of your team 1) is not somebody you should have leading and 2) have the ability to corral/control/change his bad characteristics?
Correct, and when I mentioned a while back about Doc not taking character into consideration with recruiting and playing time we had others saying it was not true. Doc is now starting over at QB less then a month before practice starts.
 
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This board seems to run the same way the athletic department does....no transparency. I don’t know why some feel the need to keep secrets. This is not original content. This is public knowledge about the team we all have a vested interest in.

Allegedly IG got into a verbal altercation with Cramsey. Allegedly IG used some offensive language. Allegedly they had to be separated and IG tried to take a swing. Allegedly Doc intervened and told IG to leave the facility. Allegedly IG made threats of violence as he was being escorted from the facility.
And that is who Doc handed the keys of the program to for winning conference championships?
 
Of course “no further comment” from the athletic department. There seems to be a trend of behavioral misconduct that the athletic department tries to keep under wraps or cover up. Next thing you know they will release a statement saying an injury is preventing IG from playing/staying with the team. Kind of like they did with Chase Litton and Tyler King...
 
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The place looks like a dumpster fire . . . more than what it has been under Doc.

Now, you have other players (Talik Keaton) making comments like
"They’ll say anything to make their story look good!!" while responding to Green.

Green is allegedly dismissed from the team and/or school, and now players are making public comments defending Green and blaming the staff and/or school.
 
It's likely best we not have a season. Let everyone cool off, let some leave who are disgruntled and start fresh later - whenever that may be.

Doc has failed this program the last 5-6 years. Got complacent after the 2014 title. Slacked on recruiting. jmho
 
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Several months ago I said 2020 would be DH’s last at Marshall. Could be 2019 was his last season.
 
Several months ago I said 2020 would be DH’s last at Marshall. Could be 2019 was his last season.

Every program needs a rebuild from time to time... Blow it up, clean house, hire an up-and-coming head coach and hope he gets the program heading the right direction before moving on.

We tried to do it with Snyder, but he was handed a program on probation and wasn't exactly Chip Kelly as a head coach... Doc came in, got things settled, won a league title and built a nice program. But that program has grown stagnant and the cons now outweigh the pros of keeping him around to tread water.

Whether the season is scrapped and he leaves, or whether we go 4-8 with a freshman QB and he leaves, you prediction is looking more spot on.
 
Every program needs a rebuild from time to time... Blow it up, clean house, hire an up-and-coming head coach and hope he gets the program heading the right direction before moving on.

We tried to do it with Snyder, but he was handed a program on probation and wasn't exactly Chip Kelly as a head coach... Doc came in, got things settled, won a league title and built a nice program. But that program has grown stagnant and the cons now outweigh the pros of keeping him around to tread water.

Whether the season is scrapped and he leaves, or whether we go 4-8 with a freshman QB and he leaves, you prediction is looking more spot on.
To be fair Snyder was very close to Chip Kelly a la UCLA
 
FCS material... He could be a nice player at a place like Furman, Western Carolina, VMI, etc.



Excellent use of "allegedly" counselor.
Hey I went to Western Carolina, they took a chance on former Marshall QB Eddie Sullivan, and he was dismissed from Western for being a headcase... So another Doc headcase would probably have a tough chance of landing in Cullowhee.
 
The place looks like a dumpster fire . . . more than what it has been under Doc.

Now, you have other players (Talik Keaton) making comments like
"They’ll say anything to make their story look good!!" while responding to Green.

Green is allegedly dismissed from the team and/or school, and now players are making public comments defending Green and blaming the staff and/or school.

It looks like a toxic waste dump. Petrino Round 2 at Louisville behind the scenes bad.
 
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Hey I went to Western Carolina, they took a chance on former Marshall QB Eddie Sullivan, and he was dismissed from Western for being a headcase... So another Doc headcase would probably have a tough chance of landing in Cullowhee.

I live about 10 miles from WCU... Was just using them as an example since they are FCS and QB needy.
 
If true... Does that mean Eli Sammons, Grant Wells and Luke Zban will battle it out this fall for the starting job?

Need someone who is around the team more than I am in the offseason to give us all some insights on that potential race.

I think Grant Wells is considered the 1 currently on the depth chart as rumor has it. Please no "prove your source" nonsense, too early in the situation and it will become apparent in the near future .

Great WV kid from a good family and not going to embarrass the University or him self. Has been working his ass off and gotten bigger and stronger. Listed as 6-1 he has gained weight from his listed 191. Not a Ra Ra guy but a quiet leader.

He is not afraid to run the ball, in fact he likes to put his shoulder down and run people over and can take some hits as well as has a big arm. Glad he is getting the opportunity.
 
I live about 10 miles from WCU... Was just using them as an example since they are FCS and QB needy.
I think we've talked about that before :cool: I believe you said you live near Franklin? Tyrie Adams is going to be hard to replace, but I don't know if even Patrick Mahomes could help poor old Western... I went there in the early 80's when Bob Waters was the coach and they were actually competitive.
 
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I think Grant Wells is considered the 1 currently on the depth chart as rumor has it. Please no "prove your source" nonsense, too early in the situation and it will become apparent in the near future .

Great WV kid from a good family and not going to embarrass the University or him self. Has been working his ass off and gotten bigger and stronger. Listed as 6-1 he has gained weight from his listed 191. Not a Ra Ra guy but a quiet leader.

He is not afraid to run the ball, in fact he likes to put his shoulder down and run people over and can take some hits as well as has a big arm. Glad he is getting the opportunity.

This could be a blessing in disguise where Cramsey finally has his guy.
 
This could be a blessing in disguise where Cramsey finally has his guy.
If he is not being handcuffed by Doc.

I'm not sure that leads to something different. I have been bothered by the comments in this article since last year:

Green: "Now, we've formed a bond. Going into this year, I'm more understanding of why he's calling certain plays at certain moments, and I understand what he wants to do when he sends certain personnel onto the field."

That bothers me. I know most QB coaches/OCs want their QB to think just like them. And I agree to a certain extent. But if your QB knows what play/direction the OC wants to go just based on the personnel he sends out onto the field, that is a bad sign. Why? A good DC will have an analyst/QC studying that all week. They will have tendencies based on your personnel. If you're sending out a two tight end look, if you're putting a certain tight end on the field, if you're putting an X receiver in a certain location unusual from where he usually is, then a good DC will know what you're trying to do (assuming his analyst/QC is worth anything). If your QB knows what you're going to do just based on the personnel an OC is sending on the field? That's bad news, because I assure you, a good DC will know the same thing.

When I was an analyst at an FBS, I had many play signals from an offense down by the second quarter. Between being able to steal some play signals that were inadvertently captured in game film from previous games, many offenses using similar signals for the same play (a hitch route many times is hitching up your pants, a hitch-and-go many times is hitching up your pants and then pointing up, a slant many times is just your hand doing a slanting pattern, a post many times is using your hand to put a post into the ground, a drive concept many times is driving a steering wheel, a mesh concept many times is meshing your hands together), and using binoculars from the box to identify who the signal caller was and seeing what play aligned with the signals, I could quickly get a good indication of what was going on. I almost always could tell if it would be a run or pass based on the type of signals and length of the signals. I'd have a GA with binoculars telling me the personnel about to go in, and once I got the signal, I'd relay to the DC what play he was about to see. Teams that would run a "look at me" philosophy where the QB would get to the line, have the defense show what it was doing, then step away from the line and look back to see the play signal didn't really change anything other than to force our defense to quickly get the defensive play call after I relayed it to the DC. So if your QB can determine what you're going to do based on simply the personnel, I damn well assure you that a good staff will know based on the personnel and signals.

Cramsey: "There was another time in the spring and I started calling the formation and he rattled off the rest of the play. Once you get to that point, thinking the same way, then we're one step closer to being where we want to be."

Again, I don't like that. Now, if you just installed a play that day that utilizes a certain formation that isn't used a lot, it doesn't take a genius of a QB to know what you're going to call after calling the formation. Or if it's a game week and that formation isn't used a lot, especially in a specific situation (3rd-and-long), a QB may realize what pass play is coming based on what plays are on the call sheet that week. But that isn't a QB being on the same page as an OC. Other than those situations, if your QB knows what is coming based just on the formation, that is a very bad sign. A good defensive staff will be able to determine the same thing, especially if you've only run one or two plays out of that same formation in the past or earlier in the game.
 
The place looks like a dumpster fire . . . more than what it has been under Doc.

Now, you have other players (Talik Keaton) making comments like
"They’ll say anything to make their story look good!!" while responding to Green.

Green is allegedly dismissed from the team and/or school, and now players are making public comments defending Green and blaming the staff and/or school.

Players have been verbal against Doc for 10 years now. There is very few former and current players that will stand up for Doc.
 
Players have been verbal against Doc for 10 years now. There is very few former and current players that will stand up for Doc.
Doc has a big ego and he is the smartest guy in the room. Just ask him! Doc was not a bad hire but on the flip side he was not great either. Almost like a 10 year place holder. As I have said, he does not take character into consideration when recruiting. And for those wanting to debate this issue why did he had over the QB job(which is the leadership of the team) to a guy with such a bad attitude? Doc wants high end athletes and does not take other factors into consideration.
 
But I can understand Litton. He had major character red flags before ever coming to Marshall. Hell, it's why other schools dropped him after his high school arrest.

Litton had ability and was a good quarterback. As a result, it puts a staff in the same predicament that many other staffs have: is his talent/success on the field worth the problems his off-field character/behavior could bring?

But that's not the case with Green - he was an average QB even after three years in the program. His character and leadership flaws were evident by then, and they were repeatedly mentioned by Coach Stowers on here. So knowing that he didn't have the ability/character to lead a team and was average on the field, then what was the hold-up to sit him or make a move? Is the ability to recruit/develop a QB so tough for this staff that they are stuck allowing a bad apple and average QB lead the team for three years?
I know a lot of the Eastern Panhandle alums are really hoping for a change. Talked to two guys yesterday that coach high school football here and are really frustrated with the lack of recruiting in this area. Its time for a change. Losing your starting QB less then a month before camp starts due to attitude is not a good sign.
 
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We all know that doc will get an extension of the 2020 season doesn’t happen. The only way he’s out is if he retires
 
MU probably did this kid a favor. Transfer and we'll keep our mouths shut about what really went down. We'll let you leave quietly rather than possibly pressing charges and ruining your chance of ever playing football again if those rumors were in fact true about an alleged gun threat after a physical altercation. MU football has gotten stale in my opinion and there is just way too much turnover in the program. Time for a change.
 
Correct, and when I mentioned a while back about Doc not taking character into consideration with recruiting and playing time we had others saying it was not true. Doc is now starting over at QB less then a month before practice starts.

One could argue that this could give Doc an excuse for an underachieving season and give MH fuel to give Doc another extension. I can see it now: "Well the 2020 season had so many 'what ifs' and with the uncertainty created by the pandemic, along with the team being 'so young', Doc couldn't show the true potential of the team. Therefore, I've decided to give Doc a 5 year extension on his contract..."
 
Docs guys have not been very smart, but also very immature. That is not a good combination for your team leader.
I think Cato was smart, at least in terms of football. I'm pretty certain he had legitimate mental health issues though, I'm sure due to the circumstances of his childhood, and his education in other areas outside of football seemed to have been limited. That's not uncommon with athletes growing up in places like where he came from, where there is absolutely no support structure to make sure you're getting more out of life than just ball.
 
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