ISIS is Muslim, right?

[big_country90]

http://www.youngcons.com/isis-kills-19-girls-for-refusing-to-have-sex-with-fighters/

For those who were hung up on semantics before, here is another story for you.

Islam...religion of murdering innocent girls...

 

[GK4Herd]

I read that yesterday. I'm beginning to believe that the biggest draw of people to these groups have little to do with religion. I think that the guarantee of regular meals and the promise of personal sex slaves have a far greater appeal to a young man in an impoverished land with little prospects of job security with most being at an age where sex is the main motivator. I couldn't imagine having to grow up among that type of thinking.

 

[HerdandHokies]

First off it's the daily mail so I'm not really convinced the article is true, but they are horrific enough people even without it being true that it barely makes a difference. The girls they killed (and most of their victims) were probably Muslim as well.

 

[ThunderCat98]

How much longer can we sit by and allow this to happen? No matter your religious beliefs (or lack thereof) or nationality, we can all agree this is wicked and morally reprehensible conduct. These beasts need wiped from the face of the earth.

 

[HerdandHokies]

We can go blow them up but taking the lead only makes it easier for the next group out of that shithole to be even stronger and worse. At some point someone in the region is going to need to take control. All we do is make things worse.

 

[i am herdman]

We can go blow them up but taking the lead only makes it easier for the next group out of that shithole to be even stronger and worse. At some point someone in the region is going to need to take control. All we do is make things worse.

No, we dick off with them and we have a nation lead by coward(s) and politically correct sympathizers. Our response after 9-11 was pretty measured and small as to what we could have done as a nation. Our grandfathers would have made that place a parking lot and killed them all if necessary. Boom, your God is not so tough now.

The assholes are not going to take control of it.

 

[HerdandHokies]

Yeah like we did with Japan. Parking lotted the whole country and left it to die. Or Germany. Just let the people fend for themselves after the war, no help at all.

Actually we did do that with Germany the first time. How'd that work out?

 

[i am herdman]

Yeah like we did with Japan. Parking lotted the whole country and left it to die. Or Germany. Just let the people fend for themselves after the war, no help at all.

Actually we did do that with Germany the first time. How'd that work out?

You just made my point. We leveled the SOB's and then changed them. That is what probably needs to be done. Beat them so bad they change themselves and join the modern world.

The types of wars we are fighting with them are not going to do it. I am convinced.

I am thinking Col David Hackworth was right. We should have done a tactical nuclear strike after 9-11 on a city of choosing.

 

[HerdandHokies]

Most of the Middle East is in worse condition right now than Germany or Japan was after the world wars. What do you think you're going to take away from them? Do you seriously think that bombing people that hate America makes them hate America less?

 

[Herd Fever]

No, we dick off with them and we have a nation lead by coward(s) and politically correct sympathizers. Our response after 9-11 was pretty measured and small as to what we could have done as a nation. Our grandfathers would have made that place a parking lot and killed them all if necessary. Boom, your God is not so tough now.

The assholes are not going to take control of it.

They believe in the same God as Christians

 

[i am herdman]

Most of the Middle East is in worse condition right now than Germany or Japan was after the world wars. What do you think you're going to take away from them? Do you seriously think that bombing people that hate America makes them hate America less?

Well, what do your propose we do? Nothing? Send them gift cards to Outback? Seriously?

Their religion is full of nut jobs who want to kill people all the time. The world is much smaller now. They live here. they can disrupt trade and the flow of oil.

You can't negotiate with these nut jobs. I don't know any other way around it. Political correctness is not going to solve it. Calling it work place violence is not going to solve it. Wind farms are not going to solve it. Ignoring it doesn't solve it.

You are now seeing them shooting people on our streets. What's next? Look at the last 20 years and you see the signs. They are like cock roaches that can kill.

So, let me hear it. What's the answer?

 

[HerdandHokies]

If I had he answer to the Middle East I'd be buying a new suit for my Nobel Prize ceremony. All I know is We've constantly interfered for decades and only made the situation worse and worse.

You want my idea? Pull out. Let them figure it out. How much worse can it get?

 

[i am herdman]

They believe in the same God as Christians

If I had he answer to the Middle East I'd be buying a new suit for my Nobel Prize ceremony. All I know is We've constantly interfered for decades and only made the situation worse and worse.

You want my idea? Pull out. Let them figure it out. How much worse can it get?

We can't pull out. The Chinese and Russians(among others) would be right in there. What are you going to do in the Horn of Africa? What are you going to do if dictators or thugs take over this area and we can't get ships or oil out of there?

You see we can't do that. It is not strategically correct.

 

[Herd Fever]

I thought the USA is the number 1 producer in Oil now in the world??

 

[ThunderCat98]

For all intents and purposes, we have pulled out. That hasn't helped matters.

 

[banker6796]

H&H, I actually agree with you on something, although my take on it is probably somewhat different. I am becoming an isolationist, not because I believe it's the best path, but because I believe it will show a lot of countries just exactly what the USA truly provides to the world.

Close up shop on all the foreign military bases, bring those soldiers home and put them in bases on the borders and coasts. Quit spending all that money overseas and let that payroll circulate through the US economy. Make it damn near impossible to get a passport or visa to get in the country, reserve that only for citizens of our most trusted and loyal allies. Enact trade policies that call for equal dealing. We charge exactly the same tariff that the trading partner country imposes. Eliminate all foreign aid. Focus making Canada and Mexico our primary trade partners, buy no more Middle East oil. Import no more Chinese steel.

All these people think we're evil? Fine, we'll leave them alone, but not just when it comes to policy, we'll leave them alone economically. Screw the whole world economy thing. If US companies want the protection of the USA then they can bring their operations back in to the USA.

We are only about 4.5% of the world's population, but we account for 22% of the world's GDP. We don't need anybody else.

 

[herdfan429]

I thought the USA is the number 1 producer in Oil now in the world??

If not number 1 we are pretty close but you do know we have a ban on exporting domestic oil don't you?

 

[ThunderCat98]

Isolationism isn't a realistic option. It's a pipedream.

 

[Herd Fever]

H&H, I actually agree with you on something, although my take on it is probably somewhat different. I am becoming an isolationist, not because I believe it's the best path, but because I believe it will show a lot of countries just exactly what the USA truly provides to the world.

Close up shop on all the foreign military bases, bring those soldiers home and put them in bases on the borders and coasts. Quit spending all that money overseas and let that payroll circulate through the US economy. Make it damn near impossible to get a passport or visa to get in the country, reserve that only for citizens of our most trusted and loyal allies. Enact trade policies that call for equal dealing. We charge exactly the same tariff that the trading partner country imposes. Eliminate all foreign aid. Focus making Canada and Mexico our primary trade partners, buy no more Middle East oil. Import no more Chinese steel.

All these people think we're evil? Fine, we'll leave them alone, but not just when it comes to policy, we'll leave them alone economically. Screw the whole world economy thing. If US companies want the protection of the USA then they can bring their operations back in to the USA.

We are only about 4.5% of the world's population, but we account for 22% of the world's GDP. We don't need anybody else.

Preach my brother!!!!!!

 

[banker6796]

Isolationism isn't a realistic option. It's a pipedream.

Why?

 

[i am herdman]

Isolationism isn't a realistic option. It's a pipedream.

I wish we could but you are right. It is a pipe dream.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Banker, I have been saying that for years.

Acting as imperialists would be great if it were profitable. All it has done is put us deeper in debt.

It also may be time to call on the Chinese WWII debt to the US. That would nearly wipe out our debt to them.

 

[i am herdman]

Banker, I have been saying that for years.

Acting as imperialists would be great if it were profitable. All it has done is put us deeper in debt.

It also may be time to call on the Chinese WWII debt to the US. That would nearly wipe out our debt to them.

We are preparing for war against the Chi Commies. Probably will be a cold war type thing. Covert missions abroad. Cyber warfare. Toppling governments, etc.

 

[Herd Fever]

If your going to blame ANY for ISIS, blame ourselves because we are the ones who removed Saddam from power who kept these Animals in check, gave the rebels in Libya training and weaponry to overthrew the government then steal all the weapons from the army. AND giving the pussy ass Iraqi National Army all the expensive weapons that they just handed over to ISIS.

ISIS is what happens when you arm enemies to overthrow another enemy. This is Americas fault

 

[Herd Fever]

We are preparing for war against the Chi Commies. Probably will be a cold war type thing. Covert missions abroad. Cyber warfare. Toppling governments, etc.

And you think we will win?? Their Army is bigger then our entire population

 

[riflearm2]

And you think we will win?? Their Army is bigger then our entire population

What the fvck are you talking about? That is so far from being anywhere close to accurate that you should be banned for pure stupidity. Why do you constantly enter into discussions you are clueless about and give far-fetched, false info?

Did you hear that statement from a planned parenthood leader, too?

 

[Herd Fever]

So the Chinese Army isn't 500 Million strong

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

We are preparing for war against the Chi Commies. Probably will be a cold war type thing. Covert missions abroad. Cyber warfare. Toppling governments, etc.

I'm pretty sure we have been in a cold war with China since the end of the Korean War.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

This is Americas fault

There is a lot to be said for secular dictators in that part of the world.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

So the Chinese Army isn't 500 Million strong

Uh, no. About 2.85 million in their total armed forces, including reserves. Many of whom only receive one to four weeks of training, seriously half of them couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. Their worth-a-fvck units total around 200k to 300k, according to best estimates. Their special forces guys are getting better, and their cyberwar capabilities are strong. Their navy is sort of large but sails a lot of non-modern ships (all navies are small compared to the US), and their air force wants nothing to do with us (simply put, we own the skies and no one is even close); they have some nice strike equipment but not enough, or good enough, early warning and control aircraft to compete.

Best estimates for their nuclear arsenal is under 100. Enough to be a deterrence, but unlike the US and Russia certainly not enough to melt the face of the earth. It is pretty safe to assume there will not be a Chinese first-strike.

 

[riflearm2]

Uh, no. About 2.85 million in their total armed forces, including reserves.

He was rounding up to 500 million.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

He was rounding up to 500 million.

Apparently.

 

[banker6796]

No one who said isolation is a pipe dream has elaborated. The only real reason, IMO anyway, that you have to venture outside your borders is to guard against attack and to procure resources. The only resource we need that we can't get here is assorted rare earth metals and diamonds (for industrial applications, not rings). We are blessed with a big ocean on either side of us which means we only have to really protect from the south and a little from the north. Since Canada is basically a US territory from a military protection standpoint, the Mexico border is the only real entry point for troops on the ground.

What are we afraid of, that Russia or China will expand their empires? Great if they do that. They would bankrupt themselves trying to control that new turf and disperse their forces. When countries eventually come crawling for help, and they would, we can either ignore them or dictate terms that make it worth our while.

Again, we are over 1/5th of the world's GDP and 4.5% of the population. The US produces 32% of corn grown in the world. 80% of that goes to feed livestock. Without it others countries would be hard pressed to sustain a reliable source of meat. We are one of the few countries that can adequately feed themselves let alone significantly over feed ourselves.

So tell me why it's a pipe dream..

 

[sistersville]

They believe in the same God as Christians

no they dont, allah has no son named Jesus

 

[Herd Fever]

Allah, jah, God, Jehovah is all the same God

 

[raleighherdfan]

Within days to weeks of becoming isolationist our currency collapses and you will need our own military here to attempt to maintain law and order. Would be complete meltdown. Not saying we couldn't survive or that a "reset" like that may not be necessary but let's remember. Some on here who apparently "like" such a suggestion of isolation also think it's unfair or mean that some in this country go without. Some don't see a problem with 29 year olds still living off their parents.

This would be the equivalent of looking at your kid when they turn 16, kicking them out of the house and saying....go figure it out. Good luck.

Bad idea IMO.

 

[Herd Fever]

Are you jealous of my life???

 

[raleighherdfan]

No one who said isolation is a pipe dream has elaborated. The only real reason, IMO anyway, that you have to venture outside your borders is to guard against attack and to procure resources. The only resource we need that we can't get here is assorted rare earth metals and diamonds (for industrial applications, not rings). We are blessed with a big ocean on either side of us which means we only have to really protect from the south and a little from the north. Since Canada is basically a US territory from a military protection standpoint, the Mexico border is the only real entry point for troops on the ground.

What are we afraid of, that Russia or China will expand their empires? Great if they do that. They would bankrupt themselves trying to control that new turf and disperse their forces. When countries eventually come crawling for help, and they would, we can either ignore them or dictate terms that make it worth our while.

Again, we are over 1/5th of the world's GDP and 4.5% of the population. The US produces 32% of corn grown in the world. 80% of that goes to feed livestock. Without it others countries would be hard pressed to sustain a reliable source of meat. We are one of the few countries that can adequately feed themselves let alone significantly over feed ourselves.

So tell me why it's a pipe dream..

Banker, I don't think it's a pipe dream that isolationism couldn't occur. The decades of bad decisions may already have set the "reset" created by isolationism you seem to desire already in motion for this country. My belief is that the level of sustainability you seem to believe we would maintain following such an occurrence would not be automatic and most certainly would not be without vast social chaos and potential all out anarchy. I frankly don't see the benefit in returning to a pre 1900's or 3rd world existence, without the real ability (due to decades of govt over reach, dependency and burdensome regulation) for individuals to climb out of such a collapse.

This govt is focusing intently on shutting down the very businesses and growth industries that are the basis for rebuilding anything. Let alone becoming a world power, independent of any other all over again.

 

[banker6796]

Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't understand the basis for currency collapse or social disorder. As a net importer we are, by default, a net economic exporter. This is because we have simply gotten to the point that we can afford to pay other people to work for us and take care of the no skill-low skill portion of the population that would normally fill the production we contract out.

What isolationism would cause is a repatriation of those jobs that we contract out (in essence) to these other countries (textile, mass furniture production, and other lower end goods). The government could severely curtail welfare and use a portion of those funds to help re establish those industries here (x number of dollars for every job established in industries where we would have to significantly increase capacity) to be used for training those who now just sit back and get a check. We have 10s of millions of people who sit around not participating in the workforce, so human capital is not an issue.

I could see inflationary pressures, but it would be good inflation, the type that comes from high employment rates, upward social mobility, and economic expansion.

 

[raleighherdfan]

I simply don't see how a fiat currency whose value depends largely on the willingness of international countries and sovereigns to buy our treasuries (which funds its creation) as well as use it in conducting trade and commerce internationally survives if you tell them to essentially go pound sand. The complete disruption in the debt markets alone from such a decision to isolate ourselves would have untold deleveraging effects that are too long to list here. Some posters on here thought the banking crisis in 2008 was serious??? They seem to have no idea what they are exactly asking for in this scenario. No amount of Fed involvement could stop the landslide.

Which leads to how exactly the financing of rebuilding whole industries like textiles, and other manufacturing would occur?? The banks and the debt to fund rebuilding would be in complete turmoil. The textile mills here in NC are gone. The skills and knowledge base to operate such businesses would take generations to retool. Not sure the EPA would even allow the building of certain manufacturing industries which "pollute the water and air". Some seem thrilled that the power generation capacity of this country is being cut off at the knees and yet I should trust that whole industries which need a smoke stack to produce their products will be allowed a rebirth???

Again, I'm not saying that rebuilding from such a decision of isolation couldn't be done over multiple decades. But the immediate result IMO would be catastrophic to the current way of living in this country. It took world war 2 to get the U.S. Out of the despair of the depression a decade before. I frankly can't imagine what type of geopolitical event would need to transpire to break us out of such a self inflicted wound like "isolationism". I have no doubt though that a geopolitical event of grave consequences would occur, and we would indeed be responsible for its initiation.