His Ultra-Conservative Play calling is well overdue. Time to get a young flashy OC who can develop QBs
Its Time for Legg to find a New Team
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He doesnt have to be flashy. He just has to open a playbook past page 2
F@ck Bill Legg he is awful, nothing new here, we win despite his awful job as offensive coordinator. Think about how much he is making for being awful at his job.
Yeah, it's as if he plays NOT to lose. Can't have that. Gotta play to WIN! His play calling just seems that he's calling plays NOT to lose. Can't stand it. I say bring in new MEAT, here here!
I doubt that.
I doubt it highly because you are not submitting your name to the AD for taking his spot.
If you seriously believe you can do better...please, the coaching staff would love to see what you got.
Now, before your offense completely sputters in the bowl game and the team loses faith in you, you can remind them how many years you spent sitting on your ass in the stands and how smart you are on this forum as a reminder of how qualified you are.
Application awaits your name on it buddy!
Considering the jump Marshall made between 2011 and 2012 offensively (and unfortunately, falling off the cliff on defense), with Legg and co. cutting the reigns on Cato and running warp speed...I want to see next season with a more experienced Litton and, hopefully, a healthy crop of OL and RB's.
Perhaps Foster will be it, by default, but I don't see the speed back that compliments the offense. Pittman and Davis are both pretty well rounded it seems. Would like one potential homerun hitter to join the fleet along with Weems back there.
But with WKU? The biggest problem was up front. They only had 6 in the box most of the game and we couldn't block the DT or the ILB. We couldn't run against 6 in the box whatsoever. Those two guys whipped us most of the game. That left them to play pass with a numbers advantage without much difficulty. It was 2012 at UAB all over again from that standpoint.
This is the type of game where you reevaluate everything moving forward. Is it scheme, is it personnel, is it coaching, and what must change to improve. It really felt like we hit the ceiling with our current program. But I have confidence we will be better moving forward.
Doc and Heater have done a great job overall here, and we saw Cato go from freshman who looked like he had raw potential become the most statistically prolific passer we've ever had. All while having a good running game to balance. I think injuries hurt dearly, but I also believe it shows the need to put the effort into developing more guys into game-ready up front. We were into the 9th and 10th OLmen at times this year, and usually you only need 7 ready to go.
A whole lot was wrong today and WKU exposed that. I don't think it was a blowup the program game but it's certainly worth re-evaluating things. A tweak or two can make things significantly different.
Perhaps Foster will be it, by default, but I don't see the speed back that compliments the offense. Pittman and Davis are both pretty well rounded it seems. Would like one potential homerun hitter to join the fleet along with Weems back there.
But with WKU? The biggest problem was up front. They only had 6 in the box most of the game and we couldn't block the DT or the ILB. We couldn't run against 6 in the box whatsoever. Those two guys whipped us most of the game. That left them to play pass with a numbers advantage without much difficulty. It was 2012 at UAB all over again from that standpoint.
This is the type of game where you reevaluate everything moving forward. Is it scheme, is it personnel, is it coaching, and what must change to improve. It really felt like we hit the ceiling with our current program. But I have confidence we will be better moving forward.
Doc and Heater have done a great job overall here, and we saw Cato go from freshman who looked like he had raw potential become the most statistically prolific passer we've ever had. All while having a good running game to balance. I think injuries hurt dearly, but I also believe it shows the need to put the effort into developing more guys into game-ready up front. We were into the 9th and 10th OLmen at times this year, and usually you only need 7 ready to go.
A whole lot was wrong today and WKU exposed that. I don't think it was a blowup the program game but it's certainly worth re-evaluating things. A tweak or two can make things significantly different.
Well said Pioneer.
I may add that the Mitchell guy from Mothman Land is going to be a major help for us.
The guy plays like 6 positions on the field.
I may add that the Mitchell guy from Mothman Land is going to be a major help for us.
The guy plays like 6 positions on the field.
As Pioneer said, the OL couldn't open up any holes for the only running play we do...run right up the middle. How many times do you have to run into a brick wall before you try to go AROUND it? Our backs have the speed to get the outside if the OL can contain for just a split second. But, no, let's run up the middle everytime.
WKU DT is the same DT that UAB had that has caused us problems the last 3 years at UAB
Yeah, we just continued trying more of what didn't work. I have a hard time believing Legg wouldn't practice more plays. Did he honestly think the game could be won with the same 5 plays? The entire team had 2 weeks to prepare.
Honestly, seeing how we played I don't think we had any business being in the conference championship game anyway. Our only shot would have been if we got to host the game.
The job of OC is too complicated for Legg. He was a good Center.
He might make a good OL coach
He might make a good OL coach
Well...considering football offense is broken down into 2 forms....run and pass.
We did try to run on the outside...and that didn't work.
People tend to think because a certain play does not work that it immediately needs to be abandoned. It doesn't. Keep running that play because it eventually does work. Thats what we have been doing all season and with success...hence several broken runs up the middle for a score.
This is very well said.
The issue I have with Legg though is he does nothing to help his players out. He runs his plays, his scheme and that is it. Rather than fitting a game plan game by game. To be fair though, there are few coaches that can do that. However, most coaches are capable of running some plays to open things up.
We didn't run a single stretch play, outside zone run. We never run screen passes to our RBs.
The thing is we can say our OL can't block it, or these guys can't run it, they're young, etc. but Legg has NEVER done this.
His route tree and receiver concepts in the passing game are almost just as bad. When you watch the game live it's just so bad.
It's honestly like watching a play made from Tecmo Bowl or Blitz. He has 2 man beaters and a couple of zone concepts, but they're so simple it's incredibly easy to defend.
Yes, Mr. Legg, but that's not what happened. You continued the entire game running the same 5 plays. When it's not working, try something else.
I thought the play calling was bad three times this season... Ohio, Kent State and yesterday.
With that said. Our offensive line has been pretty bad all year and was absolutely awful especially in the run game yesterday.
Recruiting priority number one is offensive line... Number two is wide receiver and number three is defensive back.
With that said. Our offensive line has been pretty bad all year and was absolutely awful especially in the run game yesterday.
Recruiting priority number one is offensive line... Number two is wide receiver and number three is defensive back.
So basically you're just all talk?
Ah you fit so perfectly onto the internet boards...I used to refer internet tough guys as "Timmy Tough Nuts" but for you in the realm of coaching, and actually admitting you were joking and really just backing down from something you clearly know you are unable to do, your new name will be "Colin Computer Coach" which your skills of coaching only come in the form of posts on here and no actual real-world experience.
Figured you wouldn't have a goddamn clue on how to coach anyone or anything.
Maybe next time you shouldn't go out posting your abilities of actually being better at someone else's job unless you're actually serious about it.
Instead of "joking" you could've just kept your mouth shut.
Does anyone truly, really, honestly believe they could do a better job at running Marshall University, the football team, coaching the team, or even coordinating them?
I am 100% being honest in asking this question...because truly, step forward.
Or maybe you could recognize when people are just saying things in jest.
I have never given any serious thought about getting into coaching on any level, let alone on the college level.
A tongue-in-cheek statement about me doing the OC job was not meant to be taken seriously by anyone on this board, and was not meant to incite a reaction such as yours.
I have never given any serious thought about getting into coaching on any level, let alone on the college level.
A tongue-in-cheek statement about me doing the OC job was not meant to be taken seriously by anyone on this board, and was not meant to incite a reaction such as yours.
Struck doesn't seem to understand "hyperbole" within the context of this discussion.
Struck is also the same ignorant asshole that openly wishes others die in a drunken car wreck because he doesn't agree with their message board post opinion. He is the very definition of his own label "T. T. Nuts". At least we now seem to know what he spends most of his time thinking about.
herdstruck is badmouthing any herd fan that says anything about Legg. Herd fans love eating their own
I was joking earlier when I called you Mr. Legg, but I seriously think you are Bill Legg.
Guess what, you suck as an offensive coordinator. Perhaps we have discovered the reason your schemes are so ineffective, because you spend too much time chasing down people on message boards who rightfully criticize you.
Get a life and stop trying to be such an internet bada$$.
Notice how no one ever mentions execution of plays, only the calling of the plays. Most plays will work for positive yardage if executed properly. Granted, the right play call against the right defense works even better when executed well.
Time to get an offensive coaching staff that developes QBs so the QBs aren't teaching themselves then maybe they will all quit leaving
Funny story guys,
I was one of the biggest anti-Legg people out there when he first came to Marshall.
His offense seemed awful and totally unfit for the type of players we had.
Then suddenly, Cato and the team clicked, all of a sudden, they became pretty damn good. They also were able to win when the conference actually had competitive teams.
In short, he shut me up and basically proved his offense was good.
It never really faultered. Sure there were times when the team couldn't score, but in all, it was pretty prolific.
Hell, one year removed from the top 10 in offense and suddenly he is a bad coordinator.
But still...several on here feel the need to believe that he can't coach.
I am not Bill Legg by the way 30kelly. If I were, I'd chuckle at you idiots helping secure my paychecks and ignore what you think.
But I'm not...I just find it funny a group of aging people with little to do beyond attempting to understand perspective, feel the need to more or less defend their critical stances on a program they claim to support.
Raleigh, its really just you and inept driving. Nobody else on here.
I do waste time trying to think of more productive outlooks on Marshall and this team.
Seems like all people want to do on here is just bash the team.
I understand criticism, but some of you fools take it to a lesser and more condescending level...as if to take jabs at something you feel you have more control over than your own lives. Sad reality is, you probably have lesser control...the worst part is people agreeing with you to further encourage you to do what you do.
Saying, 'Well this playcalling is awful' or 'What happened? I thought Doc would have everyone more prepared than this.'
Instead its calling for coaches' heads, making personnel changes, and stupid comments which are more slander than anything with relevancy.
The worst part is when Marshall is actually good...people in here wait in such anticipation for a bad play to contaminate this place with constant complaining.
I am more critical of you guys, actually being what you are to Marshall, to you.
Sucks when that happens, gets you all flustered when someone fires back at you for being inept and basically a moron and says you suck at your job.
The best part about all this? My job requires that I help the poorest regions of this state to better themselves in ways to help them as not only individuals, but as a culture as well. I've been pretty damn good at it...but you all are probably my biggest challenge to date.
I was one of the biggest anti-Legg people out there when he first came to Marshall.
His offense seemed awful and totally unfit for the type of players we had.
Then suddenly, Cato and the team clicked, all of a sudden, they became pretty damn good. They also were able to win when the conference actually had competitive teams.
In short, he shut me up and basically proved his offense was good.
It never really faultered. Sure there were times when the team couldn't score, but in all, it was pretty prolific.
Hell, one year removed from the top 10 in offense and suddenly he is a bad coordinator.
But still...several on here feel the need to believe that he can't coach.
I am not Bill Legg by the way 30kelly. If I were, I'd chuckle at you idiots helping secure my paychecks and ignore what you think.
But I'm not...I just find it funny a group of aging people with little to do beyond attempting to understand perspective, feel the need to more or less defend their critical stances on a program they claim to support.
Raleigh, its really just you and inept driving. Nobody else on here.
I do waste time trying to think of more productive outlooks on Marshall and this team.
Seems like all people want to do on here is just bash the team.
I understand criticism, but some of you fools take it to a lesser and more condescending level...as if to take jabs at something you feel you have more control over than your own lives. Sad reality is, you probably have lesser control...the worst part is people agreeing with you to further encourage you to do what you do.
Saying, 'Well this playcalling is awful' or 'What happened? I thought Doc would have everyone more prepared than this.'
Instead its calling for coaches' heads, making personnel changes, and stupid comments which are more slander than anything with relevancy.
The worst part is when Marshall is actually good...people in here wait in such anticipation for a bad play to contaminate this place with constant complaining.
I am more critical of you guys, actually being what you are to Marshall, to you.
Sucks when that happens, gets you all flustered when someone fires back at you for being inept and basically a moron and says you suck at your job.
The best part about all this? My job requires that I help the poorest regions of this state to better themselves in ways to help them as not only individuals, but as a culture as well. I've been pretty damn good at it...but you all are probably my biggest challenge to date.
If Legg could consistently scheme as good as Heater, we would be a lot more competitive when the game is evenly matched or even if we are slightly mismatched. Until then, Doc will consistently lose to well coached teams like Ohio,wku, and Even MTSU.
WKU seems to enjoy the Heater scheme and there have been a few in the past that burned Heater as well. As for Legg, it seems to me his scheme only works with an upperclassmen as QB. Every defense that has commented on our scheme says the same thing about it. "It's simple but they do it well."
When teams run the Triple-option, everyone knows what's coming but rarely make plays behind the LOS...because the design and execution are almost perfect every play. I remember Rich Rodriguez calling QB sweeps with Pat White & Urban Meyer calling QB power plays with Tim Tebow in 3rd & long situations, but they picked up the first down and nobody questioned the call...because it was executed properly.
Our offense is bland & boring by design. I said that when Cato was here & we were putting up crazy stats. The problem is our design & execution, not the play calling. Most people who watch football are idiots.
It's the predictability that baffles me. Everyone in the stadium seems to know what legg is calling next. Maybe the lack of execution is a result of good defense knowing we have poor a design and predictable play calling? There's a few ways this can be spun. Our weakness is the O line, so what do we do? We try to pound the ball up the middle with small backs. Legg is hellbent on running his offense and making personnel adjust to it rather than adjusting to his personnel. The minute DJ and Van Horn went down we should've ran to the ends and took advantage of our team speed, but we didn't. We ran the same plays over and over and over right up the gut.
When you run to the edge with a bad OL, penetration will usually lead to a tackle for a loss. It's feast or famine. & with a young QB, is it a good idea to bust a 10 yard gain every once in a while when the rest of the times you'll get hit with a loss?
Also, in the zone blocking scheme, runs are not blocked to hit a certain gap. The OL blocks with the flow of the defense & the RB reads where the hole opens up and is supposed to hit it. Maybe our inexperienced RBs weren't being patient enough to read the blocking? Hence, execution.
Maybe, but you're talking about a RS Senior who was so unhealthy he had less carries than Devon Johnson...who played in what, 4 games?
Not sure he's a good measuring stick either.
Unhealthy does not mean inexperienced which is your basis of the argument on why we run every play up the middle and completely forgot about the perimeters
Ummm....if the most experienced guy is playing hurt, he's not going to be playing much. He's not going to get a lot of carries, he's not going to get into a flow. He's the only one who had any kind of success against WKU, but only got 9 touches. He torched FIU, but only got 11 touches.
His lack of health did effect our running game.
