Landon says BYU and UCONN (football only) to the Big 12

[Chris McLaughlin]

If true (and I realize that's a BIG if considering the source), I'm of the opinion we have to try and be UCONN's replacement. An AAC East lineup of Cincinatti, ECU, UCF, USF and Temple would be outstanding for our program.

What do y'all say?

 

[UBeenThunderStruck]

That would be much improved from the current conference situation, just not sure if the $$$ makes sense to make that move.

 

[I Herd dat]

If true (and I realize that's a BIG if considering the source), I'm of the opinion we have to try and be UCONN's replacement. An AAC East lineup of Cincinatti, ECU, UCF, USF and Temple would be outstanding for our program.

What do y'all say?

Why would UCONN or the Big 12 want that to be the case. That makes no sense to either party... Like you said- consider the source

 

[wvkeeper(HN)]

There is zero chance the Big 12 takes on a "Football-Only" member. It's not 1995.

 

[A Cousin From Richmond]

UConn for football only? That makes zero sense. The ONLY reason a conference would take UConn is because of their basketball program which is not what drives conference expansion at all. But since Chuck Landon wrote it I assume very is no validity to it whatsoever.

If true, maybe we can kick Kansas basketball out of the league but keep their football program. That makes just as much sense.

 

[The Real SamC]

Consider the source. Chuckie is a bitter, black hearted, man.

UConn makes WAY more sense than fanless Cincinnati. BYU makes more sense than anybody,

But only as full members. UConn would add to the Big 12 in basketball. In basketball, unlike football, it is a solid conference already. BYU, which currently is in a one-bid league for basketball, would need to step up, but there is no way either is football only.

In any event, consider the source. And, everybody just calm down. If this is something like a draft, MU is so far and away the "best available" for the AAC second is not in the picture.

 

[MarshallManiac]

If true (and I realize that's a BIG if considering the source), I'm of the opinion we have to try and be UCONN's replacement. An AAC East lineup of Cincinatti, ECU, UCF, USF and Temple would be outstanding for our program.

What do y'all say?

That just means it will end up being Cincinnati and Houston.

Seriously though...BYU is a very good possibility. UConn...I'll be very surprised.

 

[TheGreenhouseEffect]

Alas the reason I will never pay to read the HD on-line as long as Landon scribes his worthless meanderings.

UConn football only? Lol. Does give MIFART a drivable game , and a win at home.

BYU maybe.....UConn? Um no.

I wonder if we tracked how many times Landon goes to the package store each week, if we could find a Gazetter writer to address that issue?

 

[beefcake0520]

If true (and I realize that's a BIG if considering the source), I'm of the opinion we have to try and be UCONN's replacement. An AAC East lineup of Cincinatti, ECU, UCF, USF and Temple would be outstanding for our program.

What do y'all say?

I say landon's full of crap. UConn overall might make a little sense due to basketball, but without basketball they have no worth, especially for a P5 conference. I still say its between Cincy, Houston and BYU. Regardless, I still would rather be in the AAC with or without a few of those teams, and if we don't have the money, we need to find the money. The alternative of staying in CUSA is looking more grim every day for MU's program. Those who preach about budget, budgets don't make you win or lose games, and our budget would slowly creep up like it did going from the MAC to CUSA. We were competing with and/or beating most of those high budget programs before they left. Doc and Pruett both made the budget work for them, they won games and championships with it. We would do just fine and continue to grow as a program. Stay in CUSA, we will not grow, and may actually recede. That's not what is good for MU.

 

[I Herd dat]

Agree...

 

[anon_0314hp8ssprnn]

Houston played their way into the Big 12 when they beat Oklahoma. To paraphrase Mark Twain, it's not what Chuck doesn't know that gets him in trouble, it's what he knows for sure that just ain't so.

 

[Herd Fever]

To be honest with you, I wish the G5 would stand strong together and nobody accepts the Big XII invite. We can all sit back and watch the inevitable happen. The Oklahoma Schools, Texas, and Texas Tech to the Pac 12. TCU and Baylor to the SEC. Kansas and Iowa State to the Big 10. Kansas State to the MW and WVU to the ACC.

 

[sistersville]

Thats dead on fever. More of us than them. Have seperate polls and have a playoff just like the old 1AA did. Yesterday I heard that Cinncinnati would join the big 12. They want another school close to WV.

 

[sistersville]

No way to UConn. Their football program is bad.

 

[Herd Fever]

Thats dead on fever. More of us than them. Have seperate polls and have a playoff just like the old 1AA did. Yesterday I heard that Cinncinnati would join the big 12. They want another school close to WV.

I don't want separate, separate means no TV. 8 16 team Power conferences

 

[I Herd dat]

I don't want separate, separate means no TV. 8 16 team Power conferences

Eight? That's obviously not going to happen. Money is always the biggest talker and for that reason alone it won't. There MIGHT end up being 5 16 team conferences. That's what I would like to see anyway, and that's the best possibility. I think Marshall has a shot at that. I'm hoping ECU becomes a big rival somehow. Locking arms with them would be a good things.

 

[Herdmeister]

Most likely 4 16 team leagues. The Big XII will dissolve. The teams in it will move to the other 4 power leagues.

 

[herdfan429]

There will be 8 16 team leagues but they will absolutely be separate just like now

 

[TheGreenhouseEffect]

College football will go the way of NASCAR. When you take the little guy out of it and it's the same 5 drivers, people quit watching. It's been happening on a smaller scale in the last 3 years, this year will be more of the same with declining viewership and attendance.

Virtually empty conference championship games. BCS bowl games that not only wont sell out but will have walk up tickets available. Declining ratings for TV. All sponsored by greed and control. Don't believe me? Who in the state joined a big boy conference and they have seen their season tickets decline 3 straight years in a row whilst Marshall has greatly improved its home slate but ticket sales remain flat.

Thank you NCAA ESPN and some really greedy Conference Comissioners.

 

[herdalicious]

Chuck Landon doesn't have a single source within the athletic department of his local college, but he is privy to the inner workings of the Big XII?

 

[Herd Fever]

College football will go the way of NASCAR. When you take the little guy out of it and it's the same 5 drivers, people quit watching. It's been happening on a smaller scale in the last 3 years, this year will be more of the same with declining viewership and attendance.

Virtually empty conference championship games. BCS bowl games that not only wont sell out but will have walk up tickets available. Declining ratings for TV. All sponsored by greed and control. Don't believe me? Who in the state joined a big boy conference and they have seen their season tickets decline 3 straight years in a row whilst Marshall has greatly improved its home slate but ticket sales remain flat.

Thank you NCAA ESPN and some really greedy Conference Comissioners.

Actually it's 7 years in a Row now

 

[Herd Fever]

Here is my 8 16 team conferences.

ACC, BIG 10, SEC, PAC 12
AAC, MW, MAC, CUSA/SUN BELT

 

[PushupMan]

Why would UCONN or the Big 12 want that to be the case. That makes no sense to either party... Like you said- consider the source

Hello ... UofL fan and alum here, just stopped by to see what Marshall fans are talking about. I have tickets to the game on the 24th, and I am very much looking forward to visiting Huntington for the first time.

I also don't think it happens, but it is an interesting thought.... The Big XII would get to add a football team in order to get to 12, and I'm sure UConn would go for next to nothing. And the reason why they would go for next to nothing is because UConn would then get to rejoin the Big East for Basketball and all of their other sports.

Since UConn would agree to be a football only member for pennies on the dollar, the current Big XII members would each pocket at least $1 million each per year from the media deal.

The fact that UConn has great basketball programs doesn't really matter to the Big XII. That sport doesn't add more than $1 million to the budgets of each conference member. While I still expect the additions to be Houston and UConn for all sports, this option is not as far-fetched as it seems.

Good luck against the Zips this week, Thundering Herd!

 

[andy4theherd]

I don't understand why Chuck creates a new account each time he posts here to defend his articles...

 

[beefcake0520]

haha, spot on Andy

 

[beefcake0520]

Here is my 8 16 team conferences.

ACC, BIG 10, SEC, PAC 12
AAC, MW, MAC, CUSA/SUN BELT

I don't see all current 1A teams surviving, just being honest. As a poster in another thread pointed to, if you are in a state that has an economic down turn and your program is heavily subsidized, they would be at risk of being forced to move down due to budget cuts. Add in the pay to play stuff and just compounds that fact. No those school don't have to do the pay to play, no one does, but if they don't, they know they would have a suck program no matter how hard they tried, lose a lot of recruit. So that 128 team (don't know if CCU is 128 or 129) 1A league might quickly get back to just over a hundred. Time will tell and we will get to see who survives all this mess.

 

[sistersville]

Since everyone seems to want conferences that will never happen I would love a new leauge with all teams that are not in the P5. Have tv contracts for everyone and have a playoff. Alot of schools would be in this,and Marshall would be one of the premiere teams. Alot of schools that are D1 are not in a P5 conference.. All these young ad's suck. Out with the old and in with the new. If you are for that we will lose our program at marshall. Be honest!!! Let the big boys cry when they cant get anybody to play them. No more money games for smaller schools but that beats being forced out of competition. Let the big boys beat the hell out of each other

 

[I Herd dat]

Hello ... UofL fan and alum here, just stopped by to see what Marshall fans are talking about. I have tickets to the game on the 24th, and I am very much looking forward to visiting Huntington for the first time.

I also don't think it happens, but it is an interesting thought.... The Big XII would get to add a football team in order to get to 12, and I'm sure UConn would go for next to nothing. And the reason why they would go for next to nothing is because UConn would then get to rejoin the Big East for Basketball and all of their other sports.

Since UConn would agree to be a football only member for pennies on the dollar, the current Big XII members would each pocket at least $1 million each per year from the media deal.

The fact that UConn has great basketball programs doesn't really matter to the Big XII. That sport doesn't add more than $1 million to the budgets of each conference member. While I still expect the additions to be Houston and UConn for all sports, this option is not as far-fetched as it seems.

Good luck against the Zips this week, Thundering Herd!

1- Uconn isn't going to eat money that other teams get just to be in a more prestigious conference. If they don't get a share of the revenue, which as a football only school they wouldn't for a while, then they won't go.

2- The Big 12 isn't going to take a football only school when the basketball program is better than all except one in that conference as it stands. Marshall has a better shot of going to the big 12 than Uconn football only...

 

[Herd Fever]

Since everyone seems to want conferences that will never happen I would love a new leauge with all teams that are not in the P5. Have tv contracts for everyone and have a playoff. Alot of schools would be in this,and Marshall would be one of the premiere teams. Alot of schools that are D1 are not in a P5 conference.. All these young ad's suck. Out with the old and in with the new. If you are for that we will lose our program at marshall. Be honest!!! Let the big boys cry when they cant get anybody to play them. No more money games for smaller schools but that beats being forced out of competition. Let the big boys beat the hell out of each other

What???

 

[wvkeeper(HN)]

Idaho was just the first, but I expect we'll see more folks start going back to the FCS.

 

[Herd Fever]

Idaho was just the first, but I expect we'll see more folks start going back to the FCS.

The only schools I see going to the MAC are Eastern Michigan, Kent, and Akron from the MAC and ULM from the Sun Belt

 

[beefcake0520]

The only schools I see going to the MAC are Eastern Michigan, Kent, and Akron from the MAC and ULM from the Sun Belt

There is going to be more than that if the path isn't changed. Any school in an economically deprived state with a high subsidy is going to be in trouble. That includes almost every Ohio MAC school, minus possibly Toledo. Coastal is one school that shouldn't be moving up. Several in the belt and even a few in CUSA would be looking down the barrel as well. I guess it all depends if a good portion of these schools can find other means of funds in contrast to depending on abnormally high subsidies.

 

[Herd Fever]

Well Marshall isn't going anywhere

 

[Chris McLaughlin]

The only schools I see going to the MAC are Eastern Michigan, Kent, and Akron from the MAC and ULM from the Sun Belt

Akron has a new stadium and is pumping a bunch of cash into their coaching staff (Bowden, Amato). It's taken them a bit to climb out of the hole Ianello put them in but I think they're back to being a solid MAC program. Plus, they're a powerhouse in basketball.

Don't see them leaving/dropping to FCS.

 

[beefcake0520]

Akron has a new stadium and is pumping a bunch of cash into their coaching staff (Bowden, Amato). It's taken them a bit to climb out of the whole Ianello put them in but I think they're back to being a solid MAC program. Plus, they're a powerhouse in basketball.

Don't see them leaving dropping to FCS.

I hope they do stick around. They have probably the best facilities in the MAC imo, would be a shame to spend all that money and move down. If they could ever find support and fan interest, they would have a nice all around program.

 

[andy4theherd]

there are worse teams than Akron to be in a conference with...

like half the teams in CUSA

 

[beefcake0520]

fully agree

 

[The Real SamC]

Akron has a new stadium and is pumping a bunch of cash into their coaching staff (Bowden, Amato).

Yeah, and if you live in Ohio, its your cash. According to the USA Today database the non-facility (it assumes that things like stadiums and their upkeep are cost free) state and student subsidy of Akron athletics is 69.62%. So for every $10 Arkon "pumps" at Baby Bowden, et al, $7 are tax $$ or tuition $$. NOT counting the stadium and its upkees and other facilities which is charged off to the general university budget.

Akron is nice and its numbers are not untypical of the MAC, but at some point, it is important to understand that Ohio and Michigan are in worse economic shape than anybody, including WV, The first rule of getting out of a hole is to stop digging. That goes for Akron, and for the rest of that league as well.

 

[Chris McLaughlin]

Yeah, and if you live in Ohio, its your cash. According to the USA Today database the non-facility (it assumes that things like stadiums and their upkeep are cost free) state and student subsidy of Akron athletics is 69.62%. So for every $10 Arkon "pumps" at Baby Bowden, et al, $7 are tax $$ or tuition $$. NOT counting the stadium and its upkees and other facilities which is charged off to the general university budget.

Akron is nice and its numbers are not untypical of the MAC, but at some point, it is important to understand that Ohio and Michigan are in worse economic shape than anybody, including WV, The first rule of getting out of a hole is to stop digging. That goes for Akron, and for the rest of that league as well.

Don't disagree with any of that. Just saying I don't think they'll be dropping down to FCS if/when a few others do.

 

[beefcake0520]

Don't disagree with any of that. Just saying I don't think they'll be dropping down to FCS if/when a few others do.

In my opinion, Ohio, Toledo, Akron probably make it out alive. Kent on the other hand may not. Who else would be joining them do you think?