Lower Tax Refunds
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Oh my god you so now we are back to only custom cabinets? You’re the one that claimed you’re also competing with factory made cabinets. Guess where I can get mass produced cabinets. Lowe’s and Home Depot
In this thread alone, I've shown that
i am bigot would rather make $7.25 as the lowest paid employee rather than make $13.00 as the lowest paid employee.
That federal tax revenue increased on average more in obama's last term than under cheetos first 2.
That minimum wage increases haven't kept up with inflation.
That $15 minimum wage wouldn't double prices
That $15 minimum wage would create $15 Happy Meals
That increasing wages from $7.25 to $15.00 would only increase my prices by 6.2%.
And that McD would have to increase their prices by an amount in the ball park that I would have to.
And if you still don't believe that last statement ^^, I'll let you look at this from the former USA President of McD....
"Let's do the math: A typical franchisee sells about $2.6 million worth of burgers, fries, shakes and Happy Meals each year, leaving them with $156,000 in profit. If that franchisee has 15 part-time employees on staff earning minimum wage, a $15 hourly pay requirement eats up three-quarters of their profitability. (In reality, the costs will be much higher, as the company will have to fund raises further up the pay scale.)"
______Ed Rensi
Mr. Rensi is the former president and chief executive officer of McDonald’s USA
Now, before we begin, we all know that the former president of McD's is just pulling numbers out of the air and doesn't have a clue what the typical franchise sells, and has no idea how many employees that typical restaurant would have. But just ...in ...case... he ... does....
15 part time employees at 30 hours/week each = 450 hours per week
450 hours x 52 weeks per year = 23,400 hours x 7.25 per hour = $169,650
23,400 hours x 7.75 = $181,350 additional labor expense
Percentage increase from 2,600,000 to 2,781,350 = 6.975%
***No apples to apples here***
Point is that factory cabinets are usually made of lower quality material, hinges, drawer slides, and mass produced. The guy making $11 per hour at Home Depot had absolutely NOTHING to do with the manufacturing of the cabinets. You able to comprehend that?
I never claimed they did. You brought up having to compete against off the shelf factory cabinets. You complain about labor costs. I showed you that at point of purchase for consumer what they are making.
In other words, you showed something that was ridiculously and totally irrelevant.
Except it is relevant because you brought factory cabinets into the discussion. Lowe’s and Home Depot can pay their employees $11/hr but you bitch and moan about it
No, it's not relevant, moron. Box stores have nothing to do with the manufacturing of cabinets, just like a truck driver being paid $30/hour to deliver the cabinets has nothing to do with the manufacture of cabinets.
None of this matters because you claim all businesses and principles are the same. Home Depot is an Apples to Apples comparison to your business.
Except for the fact you linked us to a study that said costs would be going up as high as 25% in many of it's locations.
Really? The seller of a manufactured product have zero impact/effect on the operating costs and labor of a manufacturer???? You're joking.....right?
Yehh right. You are just a jealous person who wants to get the rich. get back at them.
You’re right but it absolutely has to do with what is charged for the cabinets
The corporate tax has gone down from 52.8% in 1968 to 21% now. The top marginal tax rate has gone down from 94% in 1944 to 37% now. And you whine about what you pay even now while blaming spending for the deficit.
@extragreen
There you go talking in circles again. You asked me if I actually thought the laws of economics AND BUSINESS were different from one business to another. I actually explained how they are actually different from one business to another. Different metrics impact different businesses. Even within the MCDs business; comparing franchise owners and corporate ownership operates on different metrics.
And again. Learn to read your own articles. Nowhere does it directly assign a specific % increase for locations that offer benefits. Furthermore, it actually estimated the overall % cost increases would likely be lower because of expected subsidy offsets by the govt for those locations with health benefits.
Now to your latest ignorance. If big box sellers don't work to effect the costs associated with manufacturing of products, how did China get to start importing all those goods into the US? Seriously moron. How the hell would China have become the exporting machine it did had US sellers not looked for less expensive goods, helped by cheaper labor costs?? Your feeble attempt at using a General Motors/Salesman example reinforces why you are ultimately clueless and why those of us questioning your labor cost assertions are right. GM's high labor cost structure has forced the US carmaker to the brink of extinction multiple times.
The laws of economics and business remain the same. They wouldn't be laws if they didn't. moron. Conditions vary.
You're right. I got that mixed up with the figures that were presented for $22 dollar minimum wage.
Chinese products are sold here simply because they're cheaper, not because retailers had anything to do with the manufacturing process. idiot.
Dude, the guy has the mentality of a 12-year old. In his made up Scientology/Liberal world, big corporations will just "do the right thing" and take the massive hit on labor costs.
Conditions and the metrics that drive business decisions vary greatly. That’s why simply assigning the same labor increase %s across multiple business/industries the way you tried to do is ridiculous. It was demonstrated further in the article you posted. You imploded your own “apple to apple” claims.
Are you trying to tell us now that Walmart behaviors/decisions doesn’t impact how a manufacturer or supplier develops their processes like labor? Are you seriously trying to tell us that Apple’s decisions doesn’t impact FoxCon and other independent manufacturers/suppliers processes like labor? That’s just laughable.
It’s clear why you were never able to grow larger than your garage woodshed, and why you were not able to actually leave a business worth any value to future generations.
It’s even more pitiful than a 12 year old. A 12 year old would likely learn something from this kind of conversation. It gets to a point where I just like watching his train wreck mind put his ego in a place of trying to defend his backwoods nonsense.
Of course. But now economic laws.
Where did I do that?
Once again, where did I do that?
I'm telling you flat out that Lowes and Home Depot have never had anything to do with how Masco, MasterBrand, etc develop their manufacturing processes.
And I'll repeat how many stupid things conservatives have been proven wrong about in this single thread by a 12 year old mentality:
i am bigot would rather make $7.25 as the lowest paid employee rather than make $13.00 as the lowest paid employee.
That federal tax revenue increased on average more in obama's last term than under cheetos first 2.
That minimum wage increases haven't kept up with inflation.
That $15 minimum wage wouldn't double prices
That $15 minimum wage would create $15 Happy Meals
That increasing wages from $7.25 to $15.00 would only increase my prices by 6.2%.
And that McD would have to increase their prices by an amount in the ball park that I would have to.
And if you still don't believe that last statement ^^, I'll let you look at this from the former USA President of McD....
"Let's do the math: A typical franchisee sells about $2.6 million worth of burgers, fries, shakes and Happy Meals each year, leaving them with $156,000 in profit. If that franchisee has 15 part-time employees on staff earning minimum wage, a $15 hourly pay requirement eats up three-quarters of their profitability. (In reality, the costs will be much higher, as the company will have to fund raises further up the pay scale.)"
______Ed Rensi
Mr. Rensi is the former president and chief executive officer of McDonald’s USA
Now, before we begin, we all know that the former president of McD's is just pulling numbers out of the air and doesn't have a clue what the typical franchise sells, and has no idea how many employees that typical restaurant would have. But just ...in ...case... he ... does....
15 part time employees at 30 hours/week each = 450 hours per week
450 hours x 52 weeks per year = 23,400 hours x 7.25 per hour = $169,650
23,400 hours x 7.75 = $181,350 additional labor expense
Percentage increase from 2,600,000 to 2,781,350 = 6.975%
***No apples to apples here***
i am bigot figured out a long time ago that he didn't want to make min wage the rest of his life.
No matter how much the min wage is you are still making min wage and you better figure something else out if you want to live or support a family.
No matter how much the min wage is you are still making min wage and you better figure something else out if you want to live or support a family.
So you’re telling us if Home Depot called you tomorrow and wanted you to become a supplier of cabinetry....you wouldn’t need to change/adapt your processes to meet their expectations?
He would pit his shants and then tell them there's no way he can take on that responsibility out of his work shed.
Hell. He would shit his pants and have to alter his manufacturing process if a small contractor called him and asked for a 3-4 kitchen deal over the next 6 months.
So you're telling us mass production wasn't a concept until big box stores invented it.
No. I’m telling you if you got an order for 2 kitchens and needed to deliver within 8 weeks you would probably need to change your current process or simply say “no”. “No” being the only logical reply after reading your capabilities.
Speaking of Masco, you realize they didn’t always sell cabinetry or home improvement items?? They adapted. Changed their model based on external events in the economy. Altering their products and services due to buyers demands on their business. You? Nah....you just “semi retired”.
