Mississippi Power Plant Halts Its 'Clean Coal' Project

[Walden Pond]

Are you ever going to address what someone actually says, or are you content with the same tired copy/paste job?

I'm addressing it as it pertains to the political ballgame.

This guy is on here all the time talking about how awful Trump is, and this one stupid issue is the reason why. This is all he cares about. It's his whole world. Read books on it. Gets on here and writes books on it. This is it for him.

He didn't vote for Hillary, likely because he knew she had no chance in WV. But also so he can pretend to be above the fray on this whole thing. All that goes out the window when every post you make is about how terrible Trump is for eating a certain brand of biscuits or something piddly.

 

[i am herdman]

I asked the boys at the tackle shop what they though about global warming and all. I figured they were experts.

Here is what they said.

 

[tOSUGrad90]

I love the frauds who blame "market forces" for the decline in coal production. If by "market forces," you include Obama's EPA delaying and denying permits, then I'd agree. Obama said that he was going to bankrupt coal-fired power plants, and Hillary said that she was going to put a lot of coal companies and coal miners out of work. The Liberals need to OWN THIS, and stop hiding behind, the "market forces" bullsh!t. If coal is dead, then why is coal production in West Virginia up about 19% since the beginning of the Year? This has nothing to do with the change in administrations, does it?

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

I asked the boys at the tackle shop what they though about global warming and all. I figured they were experts.

Here is what they said.

Good thing you didn't ask them to spell "global warming."

 

[HerdBuckeye]

I love the frauds who blame "market forces" for the decline in coal production. If by "market forces," you include Obama's EPA delaying and denying permits, then I'd agree. Obama said that he was going to bankrupt coal-fired power plants, and Hillary said that she was going to put a lot of coal companies and coal miners out of work. The Liberals need to OWN THIS, and stop hiding behind, the "market forces" bullsh!t. If coal is dead, then why is coal production in West Virginia up about 19% since the beginning of the Year? This has nothing to do with the change in administrations, does it?

Is that you sisters

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

So what? No one was arguing otherwise.

Rox was asking a rhetorical question based on another posters assertion that coal has been on life support since the 60s. The production increases shown in the graph demonstrate the "life support" comment to be complete nonsense.

I was actually commenting that Rox's assertion was correct. Coal was still going strong despite actual job losses.

 

[tOSUGrad90]

Sisters posted that coal was dead, fake Bucknut. You certainly didn't graduate from tOSU.

 

[HerdBuckeye]

Sisters posted that coal was dead, fake Bucknut. You certainly didn't graduate from tOSU.

Your right I didn't graduate from TOSU.

 

[sistersville]

Coal was biggest during world war ll

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Shit. If it wasn't for the govt funded man made climate change industry, many would likely be reporting the local 6PM weather.

Not really, climatology and meteorology are completely different fields. The days of non-meteorologists "reporting" the weather (there's a LOT more than than involved in the job, especially in severe weather areas and what I call "tricky ass forecast" areas) are long over. Tricky ass forecast: God help you trying to get the snow/ice/rain line right around here.

On a side note, I don't really care for meteorologists wading into the climate change debate thing, it isn't their field.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Somebody answer the f'ing question? It certainly was not on life support at all.

I did. Market forces. You didn't like the answer.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

If coal is dead, then why is coal production in West Virginia up about 19% since the beginning of the Year?

Arguing a four or five month trend verses almost a decade?

 

[GK4Herd]

I'm addressing it as it pertains to the political ballgame.

This guy is on here all the time talking about how awful Trump is, and this one stupid issue is the reason why. This is all he cares about. It's his whole world. Read books on it. Gets on here and writes books on it. This is it for him.

He didn't vote for Hillary, likely because he knew she had no chance in WV. But also so he can pretend to be above the fray on this whole thing. All that goes out the window when every post you make is about how terrible Trump is for eating a certain brand of biscuits or something piddly.

You are making so many false assumptions. Global Warming isn't even close to my whole world. As far as reading (I do read a lot) out of the last 50 books I've read only 5 or 6 have been on global warming. I mostly choose books from the Time top 100 books of all time or the Reddit top 250. Hell, I've read more books by John Steinbeck (my favorite writer) than books on global warming in the last year. The only reason I read books on GW was because I see too many people choosing their position based on their ideology (conservative, liberal, capitalist, etc.) without even trying to understand both sides. They just spout the party line and when pressed for facts they do a quick google and throw up a contrarian link.

As far as Hillary...you are so far off base on that that even a Reds pitcher could throw you out. Because she had no chance in WV? Christ. How'd you come up with that? I didn't vote for Hillary because she's an entrenched hack politician that runs a campaign of helping the middle class and poor, yet she's so far up corporate and big money's ass she can taste the caviar and wine. She's everything I despise in a politician.

I do criticize Trump. That's the only thing you got right. But that's because he is embarrassingly unpresidential. I think his tweeting is juvenile and beneath his position. I also criticize him because I enjoy watching the deplorable's touchdown dance. Lol...to use one of your thoughts, they'd never play for Woody Hayes or Bobby Knight. Act like you've been there son.

 

[big_country90]

Arguing a four or five month trend verses almost a decade?

You mean almost a decade of specific, targeted assault from the federal government?

 

[Walden Pond]

I do criticize Trump. That's the only thing you got right. But that's because he is embarrassingly unpresidential.

We wouldn't see post 1 about this if he was on your side on the global warming issue.

You know it, I know it, everyone here knows it. Time to stand up and be proud of it. In 2020, go vote for the Democrat. Whoever it is. Proclaim liberalism. Proclaim that this one issue is important enough to go whole hog lefty. The gays, the affirmative action, the welfare. Adopt it all in the name of saving the planet.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

You mean almost a decade of specific, targeted assault from the federal government?

No, I mean in any statistical analysis. What the hell do they teach in Morgantown? Come back in eight years with 19% and then we'll have something. Although I don't think 19% would be a change from "death spiral" to "booming". And the employment numbers of the 80s are never coming back.

 

[big_country90]

No, I mean in any statistical analysis. What the hell do they teach in Morgantown? Come back in eight years with 19% and then we'll have something. Although I don't think 19% would be a change from "death spiral" to "booming". And the employment numbers of the 80s are never coming back.

Nobody said they were. Automation alone would prevent that. But I would guess that just in the last 6 months, there have been in the area of 1,000 or more new coal mining jobs that have reappeared in southern WV and eastern KY. Coincidence?

 

[GK4Herd]

We wouldn't see post 1 about this if he was on your side on the global warming issue.

You know it, I know it, everyone here knows it. Time to stand up and be proud of it. In 2020, go vote for the Democrat. Whoever it is. Proclaim liberalism. Proclaim that this one issue is important enough to go whole hog lefty. The gays, the affirmative action, the welfare. Adopt it all in the name of saving the planet.

Well I'm convinced that you're going to believe what you're going to believe whether true or not. So I ain't fighting it.

 

[Walden Pond]

The global warming thing fits right in with all those other liberal issues. It's the same kind of deal. Force people into stuff they don't want all because it sounds warm and fuzzy.

So if you're on Team Lib for this, why not all their other warm and fuzzy stories? Save the blacks, save the Mexicans, save the Muslims, save the poor, save the freaks, save the stupid, save the lazy.

What's the difference?

 

[extragreen]

Nobody said they were. Automation alone would prevent that. But I would guess that just in the last 6 months, there have been in the area of 1,000 or more new coal mining jobs that have reappeared in southern WV and eastern KY. Coincidence?

I read where there was an uptick in demand for met coal, and that was the reason for uptick.

 

[wvkeeper(HN)]

All I know about that plant is that I didn't pay an electrical bill for almost a year because Mississippi Power so badly messed up the building of it and was found liable for something by the State/Feds.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Not really, climatology and meteorology are completely different fields

You are basically supporting my sarcasm as it related to GK asserting "lower paid scientists (climatology) being paid more if...." The point is, if man made global warming wasn't the current mantra of central planners, they would be in another "science" or using their undergrad philosophy degree to gain employment at Starbucks.

 

[i am herdman]

I did. Market forces. You didn't like the answer.

So Market forces did all that? No way, man. Not what happened the last decade. As mentioned by BC, there was a specific targeted assault. No permits, no coal, can't do business and even begin to compete.

 

[wisemaniac]

Mr. Wizard never mentioned man-made global warming so I think it pretty much settles any debate about whether it exists or not.

 

[GK4Herd]

All I know about that plant is that I didn't pay an electrical bill for almost a year because Mississippi Power so badly messed up the building of it and was found liable for something by the State/Feds.

I'll bet that increased the old carbon footprint. I can here your conversation now...

"Kids...march right back in that house right now. You left the tv off and your bedroom light isn't on."

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Coincidence?

Quite possibly. It's not like there is zero market for coal. Stockpiles will fluctuate with demand and weather trends.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

You are basically supporting my sarcasm as it related to GK asserting "lower paid scientists (climatology) being paid more if...." The point is, if man made global warming wasn't the current mantra of central planners, they would be in another "science" or using their undergrad philosophy degree to gain employment at Starbucks.

Maybe that's your point, but I am just pointing out their fields are apples and oranges. It shouldn't be a surprise I know more meteorologists than the average person lol. Lots of the younger ones storm chase...and the assholes get a company car to do it in

 

[big_country90]

I read where there was an uptick in demand for met coal, and that was the reason for uptick.

Met coal was the only thing keeping the industry alive under Obama. It's not strictly met coal.

 

[tOSUGrad90]

Only a clueless liberal would try to argue that Obama's administration had nothing to do with the downturn in coal production. Obama kept his promise to cripple the industry through his heavy-handed and overreaching EPA. The Dems couldn't get cap and trade legislation passed, so Obama used his bully pulpit to hammer the coal industry. Just own it, libs.

 

[wisemaniac]

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Only a clueless liberal would try to argue that Obama's administration had nothing to do with the downturn in coal production.

Only a clueless person would try to statistically compare a few months to almost a decade. It's like these media idiots that make a story that traffic deaths are up 20% over the previous year at this time...and it's just June...well, SFW, average out the last ten years and tell me what you see...you would probably see an anomaly. I wonder if the TV news people in Orlando crowed that murders in June this year were way down compared to last June. Or the posters here going on about Trump's approval rating...let's wait until mid-terms and we'll see what people really think. Come back in eight years and maybe I will agree with you. Or maybe we will see the government leased coal in WY and two certain huge railroads making all the money under the situation I describe below.

I clearly remember when the Marcellus became big news. Anyone with WV roots should remember and think of that. It's that big.

What we will see next is executive action that there is some "emergency" forcing more coal use to make power (yes, that's in the news right now). Utilities are going to squeeze the last bit of profit and lifespan out of their older coal plants. But they are not going to build a bunch of new coal plants. Gas plants are cheaper, period.

 

[extragreen]

Met coal was the only thing keeping the industry alive under Obama. It's not strictly met coal.

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with Cheetos. Not one, single, thing. There's the uptick from met coal and Australia's coal infrastructure damaged from storms.

 

[big_country90]

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with Cheetos. Not one, single, thing. There's the uptick from met coal and Australia's coal infrastructure damaged from storms.

This isn't why I generally maintain a self imposed ignore on you. You don't know what you're talking about, which is nothing new.

 

[extragreen]

This isn't why I generally maintain a self imposed ignore on you. You don't know what you're talking about, which is nothing new.

Then use facts to refute my statement. Unlike you I can handle them. I'll wait...

 

[tOSUGrad90]

Only a clueless person would try to statistically compare a few months to almost a decade. It's like these media idiots that make a story that traffic deaths are up 20% over the previous year at this time...and it's just June...well, SFW, average out the last ten years and tell me what you see...you would probably see an anomaly. I wonder if the TV news people in Orlando crowed that murders in June this year were way down compared to last June. Or the posters here going on about Trump's approval rating...let's wait until mid-terms and we'll see what people really think. Come back in eight years and maybe I will agree with you. Or maybe we will see the government leased coal in WY and two certain huge railroads making all the money under the situation I describe below.

I clearly remember when the Marcellus became big news. Anyone with WV roots should remember and think of that. It's that big.

What we will see next is executive action that there is some "emergency" forcing more coal use to make power (yes, that's in the news right now). Utilities are going to squeeze the last bit of profit and lifespan out of their older coal plants. But they are not going to build a bunch of new coal plants. Gas plants are cheaper, period.

I'm comparing the level of coal production in 2017 to the Obama years because Trump has only been in the White House since January. I'm sorry that you are unable to comprehend the simple concept that coal production fell off of a cliff during Obama's war on the industry, and has reversed course since Trump took office. This is a fact, period

 

[extragreen]

I'm comparing the level of coal production in 2017 to the Obama years because Trump has only been in the White House since January. I'm sorry that you are unable to comprehend the simple concept that coal production fell off of a cliff during Obama's war on the industry, and has reversed course since Trump took office. This is a fact, period

As I said earlier in this thread, the uptick in coal mining is almost entirely due to the recent uptick in demand for met coal, and the fact that Australia is having trouble moving coal due to infrastructure problems from bad weather. It has NOTHING to do with cheetos. But you go ahead and continue to pretend Cheetos is magic.

 

[19MU88]

This isn't why I generally maintain a self imposed ignore on you. You don't know what you're talking about, which is nothing new.

That's why he is known as the Board moron

 

[extragreen]

That's why he is known as the Board moron

Telling, that the "board moron" knows more about these things than you and grads from tOSU. Most of you wasted your money on that "higher education."

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

This is a fact, period

And I am saying it is a useless fact. Fluctuations are not trends. We'll see where it heads.