NY Dems propose gerrymandering plan to help them keep the House.

[Kate Branson]

You're an idiot. The only game you know is called malarkey. You're not good at it, but you play a lot.

I'm just a little jealous I didn't play the game as well as some people, but I have zero social skills. Even that little cabinet shop required dealing with customers face to face and acting friendly. I would have never made it with that.

Needed something where I could just show up, never look at anybody and do the damn work. Lucky as hell to find it, but there's an argument to be made that one of the biggest disadvantages you could have is sucking at being social.

 

[extragreen]

I'm just a little jealous I didn't play the game as well as some people, but I have zero social skills. Even that little cabinet shop required dealing with customers face to face and acting friendly. I would have never made it with that.

Needed something where I could just show up, never look at anybody and do the damn work. Lucky as hell to find it, but there's an argument to be made that one of the biggest disadvantages you could have is sucking at being social.

Work on not being stupid first, that will make the social part easier.

 

[Kate Branson]

All this because I know better than to think I'm ruled by what they put on TV.

At least they are decent about the weather though. They said it would be bad and it was around here. Bad weather. Bad roads. I don't trust them on fake diseases though or most other things.

 

[extragreen]

All this because I know better than to think I'm ruled by what they put on TV.

At least they are decent about the weather though. They said it would be bad and it was around here. Bad weather. Bad roads. I don't trust them on fake diseases though or most other things.

Like I said, you're an idiot.

 

[Kate Branson]

All right, so some dropout on welfare thinks I'm an idiot.

Still going to have my lunch anyway, at least most of it. Still plan to spit some of the turkey out.

 

[extragreen]

All right, so some dropout on welfare thinks I'm an idiot.

Still going to have my lunch anyway, at least most of it. Still plan to spit some of the turkey out.

You're not just an idiot. You're a lying idiot.

 

[Kate Branson]

About which part, dropping out or welfare?

Seems like you haven't denied either one. I just think it's bold as hell to get on here some old man out somewhere who quit school, somehow perching above everybody. You're the only smart one and everyone else is an idiot, unless they're a liberal.

The only people on here you don't call idiots are liberals.

You seem to only be a liberal yourself so you can keep on getting welfare. Worried about that check not coming. It will come even if orange jesus wins again. Hell, you still drew the damn thing when he was in there. What's the big deal?

 

[extragreen]

About which part, dropping out or welfare?

Seems like you haven't denied either one. I just think it's bold as hell to get on here some old man out somewhere who quit school, somehow perching above everybody. You're the only smart one and everyone else is an idiot, unless they're a liberal.

The only people on here you don't call idiots are liberals.

You seem to only be a liberal yourself so you can keep on getting welfare. Worried about that check not coming. It will come even if orange jesus wins again. Hell, you still drew the damn thing when he was in there. What's the big deal?

You're an idiot about everything. And a liar.

 

[alphasig1053]

All right, so some dropout on welfare thinks I'm an idiot.

Still going to have my lunch anyway, at least most of it. Still plan to spit some of the turkey out.

The felon dropout doesn't like you because you spit. He is a swallower.

 

[Kate Branson]

Why not just say you graduated then?

Hell, you could have gotten away with lying about that and I would have bought it. You seem like you're at least high school educated. Why is it that when people call you a dropout, you just respond with shit like "still better than you", or whatever instead of just saying you graduated?

The answer...because you didn't graduate.

It's real easy to sit around calling everyone else stupid when you've lived on easy street forever. Didn't have to go to school. Didn't have to go to work. Didn't even have to leave town probably. Now, still don't have to do anything and still get paid.

Free ride forever, but you're scared shitless that it's going to disappear if Republicans win.

 

[extragreen]

The felon dropout doesn't like you because you spit. He is a swallower.

Your wife ever stop dating other men??

 

[extragreen]

Why not just say you graduated then?

Hell, you could have gotten away with lying about that and I would have bought it. You seem like you're at least high school educated. Why is it that when people call you a dropout, you just respond with shit like "still better than you", or whatever instead of just saying you graduated?

The answer...because you didn't graduate.

It's real easy to sit around calling everyone else stupid when you've lived on easy street forever. Didn't have to go to school. Didn't have to go to work. Didn't even have to leave town probably. Now, still don't have to do anything and still get paid.

Free ride forever, but you're scared shitless that it's going to disappear if Republicans win.

You're an idiot and liar. punk

 

[Kate Branson]

LOL, now the dropout on welfare is calling me a punk.

It's terrible because I'm getting old with pains all the time. I do not want to be fussing and fighting around with other old people. You have to be doing physically pretty damn good to get on here calling people idiots over nothing.

I have no interest, and you won't either when and if you start physically breaking down. Pretty damn good to be that old, never had to work and now get to enjoy apparently a physically healthy golden age.

I'll be dead by then. Maybe you'll come and piss on my grave or something. Hell, I don't care. You'll have to line up behind my relatives though.

 

[extragreen]

LOL, now the dropout on welfare is calling me a punk.

It's terrible because I'm getting old with pains all the time. I do not want to be fussing and fighting around with other old people. You have to be doing physically pretty damn good to get on here calling people idiots over nothing.

I have no interest, and you won't either when and if you start physically breaking down. Pretty damn good to be that old, never had to work and now get to enjoy apparently a physically healthy golden age.

I'll be dead by then. Maybe you'll come and piss on my grave or something. Hell, I don't care. You'll have to line up behind my relatives though.

You're an idiot.

 

[Kate Branson]

A tired idiot. I can't keep up with this shit. Have to sleep and work. Don't just get to draw a check, but you worry that Trump will take it.

Worried about losing that check. I think you would do OK without it, but I'm sick and tired of talking to a damn pull toy.

I'm either talking to other people or getting off here. This is idiotic wasting time talking to a damn dropout on welfare.


Cue "You're an idiot."

 

[herdfan429]

North Carolina voting district plan just got shot down by no Supreme Court

 

[extragreen]

A tired idiot. I can't keep up with this shit. Have to sleep and work. Don't just get to draw a check, but you worry that Trump will take it.

Worried about losing that check. I think you would do OK without it, but I'm sick and tired of talking to a damn pull toy.

I'm either talking to other people or getting off here. This is idiotic wasting time talking to a damn dropout on welfare.


Cue "You're an idiot."

Yep, you're an idiot. And liar.

 

[mlblack16.]

A tired idiot. I can't keep up with this shit. Have to sleep and work. Don't just get to draw a check, but you worry that Trump will take it.

Worried about losing that check. I think you would do OK without it, but I'm sick and tired of talking to a damn pull toy.

I'm either talking to other people or getting off here. This is idiotic wasting time talking to a damn dropout on welfare.


Cue "You're an idiot."

Dude, you're just now seeing how useless of a human being Ignored Member actually is. My advice would be just to put him on ignore. You will no longer have to keep ramming your head into the wall, trying to rationalize with a HS dropout who's so insecure he has to hurl insults to anyone who isn't in his club. Plus, threads are much shorter with his babbling removed.

 

[extragreen]

Dude, you're just now seeing how useless of a human being Ignored Member actually is. My advice would be just to put him on ignore. You will no longer have to keep ramming your head into the wall, trying to rationalize with a HS dropout who's so insecure he has to hurl insults to anyone who isn't in his club. Plus, threads are much shorter with his babbling removed.

You're a lying idiot.

 

[rvntx]

Scratched my head when I saw your post. Did some searching...this article recommends expanding the number of representatives for a more equitable number of people per representative.

Take California: Its population is 68.5 times as large as Wyoming’s, but based on the 2020 census, California was apportioned only 52 seats compared with Wyoming’s one. This means the average California House member will represent more than 761,000 constituents, while Wyoming’s will represent just shy of 578,000.

What If The House Of Representatives Had More Than 435 Seats?

See how adding more seats to the U.S. House makes Congress more representative

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

That is a crock. Wyoming has one seat! If it’s population increases to 761,000 it would still have one!

 

[Chevy1]

That is a crock. Wyoming has one seat! If it’s population increases to 761,000 it would still have one!

I think the point was about the number of representatives in more populated areas.

 

[herdfan429]

I think the point was about the number of representatives in more populated areas.

What that they have more reps?

 

[Chevy1]

What that they have more reps?

I know....in a representative democracy...some idiots believe every representative should "represent" about the same number of folks.

The number was set at 435 in the house in the 30s when the population was 120+ million. Might be time for a revision.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Which is the exact scenario the Founders were trying to prevent and the reason we are a democratic republic and not a pure democracy.

But why were the Founders trying to prevent that? One word: slavery.

We are 50 separate states that have joined together under a framework to support our defense and a few issues that intertwine us.

We fought a war over this issue. That side lost and thus we have a strong federal government.

I prefer for as many decisions as possible be made by those I have the most say in electing.

This I totally agree with. And it's why I stress to people that even if you think national politics sucks you really need to vote in your local elections, those are the people that affect your day to day life the most.

There are other areas where this notion of very separate states screws people, entire states. Economics and business development is a big one. States like WV cannot compete with larger, wealthier states when the corporate welfare is being handed out. It's a never ending cycle of being at a great disadvantage, the more development you lose the greater the wealth and recruiting disparity becomes. So you could theoretically eliminate tax structure/incentive disparity (never mind the Constitutional issues), but the flip side of that is why should a poor, sparsely populated state have the same high tax burden as NY or California? Of course that wouldn't be right.

It's a thing where the Founders could not foresee the future, and while they gave us the power to make changes we are just too damn stupid to figure it out and do it. Myself included, I don't have the answer.

I know....in a representative democracy...some idiots believe every representative should "represent" about the same number of folks.

The number was set at 435 in the house in the 30s when the population was 120+ million. Might be time for a revision

Another area where the system just doesn't work today. Sure, the reps should represent fewer people, but can you imagine the clusterfvck of 1000 reps in the House? Perhaps it would work if we had viable multiple parties, which would build coalitions; as it stands now, it would just be even more hot air.

AS FOR THE OP: only one party has put forth legislation at the federal level to ban gerrymandering...and it ain't the GOP. Make of that what you will.

In particular, what the Tennessee GOP legislature is doing to Nashville should be an actual crime. Splitting it up, so they can load in rural rubes to flip it Republican. Nashville should have ONE common legislative interest. Oddly, the Indiana GOP is fixing my bitch about the 9th where I live; I have complained that I share no common legislative interest with the Indy suburbs, that might as well be a different planet. Now Indiana is remaking the 9th as it should be, all southern/SE Indiana. I guess in a perfect world we could redraw the states (or do away with them), as I share more of a common interest with people across the river vs people several counties away in Indiana, but it will do for now.

Just pass a federal law that districts are drawn by neutral computer programs. Some people would bitch when streets get divided down the middle, but overall it would be much more fair.

 

[ThunderCat98]

But why were the Founders trying to prevent that? One word: slavery

While the notion that the South would be overrepresented based on slavery (thereby conclusively establishing a legislature that would NEVER do away with the practice of this barbaric labor system) was certainly a consideration, it wasn't the sole reason, as you suggest. To adopt that idea would mean completely ignoring the writings of the Founders from that very era.

 

[ThunderCat98]

AS FOR THE OP: only one party has put forth legislation at the federal level to ban gerrymandering...and it ain't the GOP. Make of that what you will.

While we're at it, let's not pretend either party is immune to gerrymandering.

 

[KyMUfan]

While we're at it, let's not pretend either party is immune to gerrymandering.

Being a "libertarian", Raoul seems to focus on the warts of one party while seemingly ignoring those of the other, doesn't he???

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

While the notion that the South would be overrepresented based on slavery (thereby conclusively establishing a legislature that would NEVER do away with the practice of this barbaric labor system) was certainly a consideration, it wasn't the sole reason, as you suggest. To adopt that idea would mean completely ignoring the writings of the Founders from that very era.

But slavery is still the one word. No slavery, no Electoral College and no each state gets only two Senators. Both were compromises crafted for the slave states. I think it is telling both the 3/5s and the EC were proposed by James Wilson, who in the beginning advocated direct election of the executive. Wilson also opposed the Senate, and when that was shot down he advocated for direct election of Senators. An interesting guy at the Convention, for sure.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

While we're at it, let's not pretend either party is immune to gerrymandering.

I agree 100%. I've said many times it is all broken.

Being a "libertarian", Raoul seems to focus on the warts of one party while seemingly ignoring those of the other, doesn't he???

See the above reply, then smack yourself upside the head.

 

[KyMUfan]

That side lost and thus we have a strong federal government.

And it's why I stress to people that even if you think national politics sucks you really need to vote in your local elections, those are the people that affect your day to day life the most.

But aren't these two statements somewhat contradictory? An ever growing federal government takes more and more power away from the individual as well these local governments. That is the crux of this entire debate.

 

[KyMUfan]

AS FOR THE OP: only one party has put forth legislation at the federal level to ban gerrymandering...and it ain't the GOP. Make of that what you will.

In particular, what the Tennessee GOP legislature is doing to Nashville should be an actual crime.

See the above reply, then smack yourself upside the head.

Take your own advice and smack yourself upside the head. But just do it to one side. That might balance out your bias...

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

But aren't these two statements somewhat contradictory? An ever growing federal government takes more and more power away from the individual as well these local governments. That is the crux of this entire debate.

No.

No one I know of is proposing we have federal garbage pickup, federal local fire and police departments, make every street in America a federal highway. These services are really what you local elections come down to. And the local school board of course, but my kid is grown so I don't worry too much about our little schools here.

Day to day, I want my garbage picked up (and leaves sucked up from the gutter in fall), I want the potholes patched and streets paved every so often, I want good fire and police departments, and some decent local park programs. I want fair rates on my sewer bill. I have all of that in my town. It's why we chose this town. If they started to fvck it up I would run for office here.

Take your own advice and smack yourself upside the head. But just do it to one side. That might balance out your bias...

Is it bias, or a fact? It is indeed a fact. My take? Republicans have more opportunities to benefit from gerrymandering, just due there being more GOP states. But even in these usually smaller states it is the city populations that may favor Dems that are growing, not the rural areas. Thus they have more to lose from eliminating gerrymandering. The fact of this is not nefarious, but gerrymandering itself is nefarious. Does this make the Democrats heroes for their proposal? Not really, they know they have less to lose and may gain, but the act of eliminating gerrymandering would be the right thing to do regardless of winners vs losers...and I can acknowledge they have proposed it knowing they would be the winners.

Dems actually do give up one thing without weird looking districts, and that is the forced minority-majority districts. Which I think are bunk, so good riddance. Fvck that part of the Voting Rights Act.

All that said, it is something I support. And no non-partisan commissions or any of that bullshit that never really are non-partisan (few people actually check their feelings at the door), just a computer program that draws shapes that kinda look roundish at the edges. The term is "optimally compact".

edit: damn maps would not show up.

This is from a 2014 article, but it gets the idea right:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...mmer-solved-gerrymandering-in-his-spare-time/


I honestly believe doing this way would piss off blocks of both parties....which is usually a sign it is a decent idea.

 

[KyMUfan]

federal local fire and police departments

Wow... You truly are missing the crux of the federal power grab...

What current police reform efforts lack: A call to federalize

Why not disband most local police forces and federalize them under the U.S. Public Health Service?

thehill.com

Federalization of police threatens the rights of all Americans | Opinion

The tactics used in Portland should outrage U.S. citizens. We are not Argentina, East Germany, China or North Korea.

www.lehighvalleylive.com

Hitler called his national police the Gestapo...

 

[KyMUfan]

AS FOR THE OP: only one party has put forth legislation at the federal level to ban gerrymandering...and it ain't the GOP. Make of that what you will.

Democrats gerrymandered Jim Bunning but he ended up winning anyway. Gave him a 25 mile wide district that followed the Ohio River for over 100 miles...

BTW the Democrats see beyond the limitations of gerrymandering. They have moved on. Remember the Democrats are evil but smart. Your thoughts on this???

For Democrats, open borders are electoral gold

President Biden is recruiting new Democratic Party voters by opening the southern border. His obvious motive is not discussed much in Washington outside of a smattering of conservative media, but the evidence is clear.

www.washingtontimes.com

 

[HerdandHokies]

Democrats gerrymandered Jim Bunning but he ended up winning anyway. Gave him a 25 mile wide district that followed the Ohio River for over 100 miles...

BTW the Democrats see beyond the limitations of gerrymandering. They have moved on. Remember the Democrats are evil but smart. Your thoughts on this???

For Democrats, open borders are electoral gold

President Biden is recruiting new Democratic Party voters by opening the southern border. His obvious motive is not discussed much in Washington outside of a smattering of conservative media, but the evidence is clear.

www.washingtontimes.com

I can’t agree with any statement that calls the DNC “smart.”

 

[KyMUfan]

I can’t agree with any statement that calls the DNC “smart.”

The inverse of that is Republicans are stupid...😉

 

[HerdandHokies]

The inverse of that is Republicans are stupid...😉

It isn’t a zero sum game. Everybody can be awful.

 

[extragreen]

Democrats gerrymandered Jim Bunning but he ended up winning anyway. Gave him a 25 mile wide district that followed the Ohio River for over 100 miles...

BTW the Democrats see beyond the limitations of gerrymandering. They have moved on. Remember the Democrats are evil but smart. Your thoughts on this???

For Democrats, open borders are electoral gold

President Biden is recruiting new Democratic Party voters by opening the southern border. His obvious motive is not discussed much in Washington outside of a smattering of conservative media, but the evidence is clear.

www.washingtontimes.com

You're a complete idiot. It's not just my thoughts, it's a fact.

 

[alphasig1053]

You're a complete idiot. It's not just my thoughts, it's a fact.

Im not shocked that the felon doesnt know the difference between a thought and a fact.

Did you drop out in the 9th or 10 grade, cuck?

 

[extragreen]

Im not shocked that the felon doesnt know the difference between a thought and a fact.

Did you drop out in the 9th or 10 grade, cuck?

Your wife ever stop dating other men??